Forums > Stand Up Paddle General

Riviera Square nosed "Door" race boards ?

Reply
Created by Piros > 9 months ago, 6 Aug 2013
Piros
QLD, 6995 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:38AM
Thumbs Up

Check out these.....

From Riviera Facebook page:-

As you may have noticed, we have gone Door Crazy. Check out the DOOR Raceboard prototypes. 14' and 12'6".

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:01AM
Thumbs Up

Yeah...curious. French mob Nah Skwell have something similar - the SCOW

[/URL]

[/URL]

www.supracer.com/nah-skwell-scow-12-6-stand-up-paddle-race-board/

www.nahskwell-sup.com/en/race/

camharvey
NSW, 192 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:11AM
Thumbs Up

Just saw these on Instagram too. What the hell is going on??

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:14AM
Thumbs Up

I like them.

DJ

waxer
SA, 247 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:32AM
Thumbs Up

Second the like ,would love to try the short board in the background of the Riviera pic.

Goochi
WA, 846 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:34AM
Thumbs Up

Ok, I'll ask....what's the design reason behind it?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
6 Aug 2013 12:58PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Goochi said..

Ok, I'll ask....what's the design reason behind it?


IMO there are a few design features that make sense to me about this design.

Mostly about stability.. and stability is a big part of sup board design.. Particular with flat water race boards because they don't need to turn much or deal with the dropping down the face of a wave and turning like a more convenenal boards shape does.. It's the parallel parts of the boards rails that offer the most with stability.. The front and back parts don't help except for a wide'ish square tail board.. Add a square nose to a square tail board and you get double the benefit.. and so because of the hugely increased stability from this shape the board can be made much narrower than a normal shape board.. and narrow usually means less drag and more speed.

I think the shape under the nose would be very important because you don't ever want the nose to push water and too much nose rocker to prevent the nose going under would result in a reduced water line and reduced glide.. I'm not sure this design would work for a downwind board because of the frequent pearling.. Pearling with a board this shape at high speed wound be very interesting..

The Fanatic guys found that widening the nose helps heaps with stability and when you see the plane shape of their new boards a lot of people will be amazed and just how wide they are in the nose.. But a wide nose can increase the 'boof' when you pearl.. The new Naish Glide seems to have gone the other way and made it very piercing therefore reducing the 'boof'..

I'd be interested to hear what others think about this new design.

DJ

Lobes
885 posts
6 Aug 2013 12:40PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
waxer said..

Second the like ,would love to try the short board in the background of the Riviera pic.



This is a really interesting direction for the designers to take. Its very reminiscent of a wakeboard design which kind of makes sense because like a sup a wakeboard is ridden much harder on its rails

Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
6 Aug 2013 3:00PM
Thumbs Up

They look like the old bondwood paddle board my dad made for us kids in the 60's. I think I',m gunna cry. All they need is a pin tail, a big brass drain plug and some garden hose foot straps.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Aug 2013 4:41PM
Thumbs Up

Looks interesting...

I have previously sketched a design for a similar "door" race board.

My concept was influenced from a Catamaran, but as a board, with a moderate single concave up the front, and chine rails, and single concave under the feet, to assist with channeling water under the board. (Catamaran influence on the underside)...

Design intent - reduce the overall width, by adding "stability shoulders" up the front, and added up lift, from the concave...

paddlepop
QLD, 209 posts
6 Aug 2013 6:33PM
Thumbs Up

someone over there obviously loves that shape

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:11PM
Thumbs Up

This just reminds me of George Greenough's thoughts... he hates "pointy nosed surfboards", because those last few pointy inches serve very little purpose... The final inch is like a dagger!

Most of us have seen a grom on a board with a non-critical nose snap... Last few inches of nose snapped off some how, and he's happy to surf it with a bit of grey duct tape stuck over it!

Plus at the other end... the tail/bum... wide square tail twin fins from the very early 70's, before Mark Richards hooked up with Dick Brewer to take the Twin Fin to a new level...

I find these race designs (and potentials) even more invigorating than the surfing design concept... The surf design concept has sort of been done... Simmons, etc.

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:39PM
Thumbs Up

I agree that the idea of a square nose goes way way back and shapers have said for years that a rounded or square nose is a better design outcome. So the question would be why had it never taken off? Aesthetics perhaps or is there a practical reason for it? To me the surf shapes just look like a scaled up wakeboard. Me ill be sticking with the semi pointed round nose myself but to each their own.


teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
6 Aug 2013 8:52PM
Thumbs Up

The Doors , my alltime Favourite bandDont think those boards will be breakin on through anytime soon.

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:47PM
Thumbs Up

We saw and tried them in Cali a few months ago and you would be surprised just how much more stable they are and they appeared to be very fast and incredibly light.

Phill

colas
5064 posts
7 Aug 2013 8:46PM
Thumbs Up

wide noses help reduce the "front rudder" effect, where a pointed nose would begin to pull you violently on the side.
They are less efficient if you are able to perfectly control your boards, but in real life have some advantages and drawbacks, from what Nah Skwell says after som years producing the "Scow".

This said, I think the Nah Skwell model is a bit weird, as it is patterned along a scow sailboat that is designed to work tilted a lot on the side. I would expect a SUP design to have a rounder / elliptical front "bulge" rather than a flat one. But I am definitely not an expert on this, my longest board is 8'3"...



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Stand Up Paddle General


"Riviera Square nosed "Door" race boards ?" started by Piros