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Shaft length? Variety is the spice of life!

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Created by AA > 9 months ago, 21 Nov 2008
AA
NSW, 2159 posts
21 Nov 2008 10:04PM
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Following on recent threads trying to pin down a solid recommendation for paddle length I decided to ask the man himself - Blane Chambers what he recommends.



Blane is 5'7 and uses a 73" paddle - 6" above head height.
But when it comes to a recommendation, apparently there isn't one!
Here is what he says many of the top riders in Hawaii are using (inches above their head height).

Ikaika Kalama +14"


Aaron Napolean +12"


Mel Pu'u +6"


Leleo Kinimaka + 4"



Then there is Dave Parmenter, one of the founding fathers of the sport - here is what he has to say-

"Wherever we go in the world, the most common sight we see is people using paddles that are way too tall for them. From San-O to Sydney, all too many SUB paddlers are reaching over their heads like children straining to reach the cookie jar atop the ‘fridge.
Aside from squandering the mechanical advantage of the proper and efficient paddle stroke, using too tall a paddle sets you up for some sort of repetitive stress harm to your shoulders.
While a general guideline states that the paddle should extend 5 or 6 inches over your head, some variability exists due to the thickness of your board, slight differences in paddling styles, and even the shape and angle of the paddle blade."



So there you go - no definitive answer!
Personally I am trying to shorten up my paddle to reduce shoulder problems from extended sessions. I am at +7" on my Methane and after a solid 2 1/2 hr session today (in 5-6' clean uncrowded barrells of Manly - sorry, had to throw that in ) - I am convinced shorter is the way to go!

Andrew.A





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Dave Parmenter 6" MAX!!

Lobes
885 posts
21 Nov 2008 8:23PM
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The more I learn about paddle length the greater I am convinced its a personal preference more than anything. I just went from +11'' on my old paddle to to +8'' and the difference is remarkable. Partly no doubt because the new paddle is a lot lighter and has a larger blade but the position of my top hand is wildly different to what it was before and I've had to pretty much recreate my stroke.

I now have to concentrate on bringing my top hand forward rather than up. But the advantage I've given up in extra leverage I reckon I've picked up in stroke rate. Early days for the new paddle but and I havnt tried it in surf yet.

One thing I've noted (in my whole 6 months SUPing!) is that shorter is probably better for waves and longer for flatwater. As for ocean swells and downwinders I'm not sure but I presume pretty long as well.

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
21 Nov 2008 10:17PM
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Its not really aways about how tall you are, its more about how floaty yor board is also. If your a big bloke on a little board, you probally wanna go shorter i thinks. And versa visa.....

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
21 Nov 2008 11:04PM
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Lobes said...
One thing I've noted (in my whole 6 months SUPing!) is that shorter is probably better for waves and longer for flatwater.


You are definitely on the money there Lobes, and yes, it is personal preference.

Scotty Mac said...

Its not really aways about how tall you are, its more about how floaty yor board is also. If your a big bloke on a little board, you probally wanna go shorter i thinks. And versa visa.....


Right on, Scotty - which backs up the surf vs flat-water theory as you usually have a less floaty board for the surf.

My interest comes from having a bad-back (ruptured disc) and I have always felt that a longer shaft is better ( more up-right). Having asked around though this is not the case and most ocean paddlers will tell you that having too long a shaft will bring on shoulder problems, which I am now experiencing. I am fortunate in that I get to try many different paddles and lengths ( mainly focussing on the surf) and I would suggest that once you have some overall 'paddle fitness' going shorter (+6"-7"is actually the way to go, in the surf.

Andrew.A

Lobes
885 posts
21 Nov 2008 9:07PM
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Shaft length? Variety is the spice of life!


THATS WHAT SHE SAID!

Sorry, the thread topic was taunting me. I just had to get that off my chest. I'll get back in my box now...

Lobes
885 posts
21 Nov 2008 9:23PM
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most ocean paddlers will tell you that having too long a shaft will bring on shoulder problems


I wonder if the ratio of shoulder width to your height would make a difference on your ideal length? One presumes that with wider shoulders you'd get better leverage on the paddle and be able to go longer? I think for my next paddle I will get an adjustable so as to be able to test out the different stroke mechanics of various lengths (add it to the wishlist).

As an aside I must comment on how exciting it is to be blazing the trail like this. We are the early adopters for this new sport and what we are learning and discussing now is going to set the standards for the future. The internet has really helped here (thanks seabreeze.com!) in progressing the sport so quickly. I could not imagine doing something like this 10 years ago but now I know all about different paddles and SUP designs. Great stuff!

linter
223 posts
21 Nov 2008 10:07PM
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The whole paddle length thing and getting it right is a perplexity to me. I'm pretty sure my $300 (U.S.) Werner paddle is too long for me by maybe 2" but I can't bring myself to cut that $300 thing down to find out for sure. And I don't have any friends with appropriately shorter paddles to borrow. So, I'm sort of stuck ... though I am thinking about selling the paddle and buying a Werner adjustable ... then again, how much difference can, er, ah, 2" [}:)] really make?

WINDSURFnSNOW
NSW, 1612 posts
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22 Nov 2008 1:43PM
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HI Linter,

You may not have a local shop but if you do they should be able to organise a demo of different length paddles so you can get your head around the length you like. How far over head is your paddle at the moment? Are you purely surfing or a bit of a mix ?

If you shorten it up a bit it'll feel a bit weird early on but you do adjust pretty quickly with your technique. You'll love the extra acceleration it can give you once you get it together. Easier to pick up waves and easier to get through whitewater.

Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
22 Nov 2008 6:43PM
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Its all pretty dependent on stroke isn't it....long enough to get the blade under the board but not too long so that you smash your shoulder gristle

linter
223 posts
22 Nov 2008 10:55PM
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WINDSURFnSNOW said...

HI Linter,

You may not have a local shop but if you do they should be able to organise a demo of different length paddles so you can get your head around the length you like. How far over head is your paddle at the moment? Are you purely surfing or a bit of a mix ?

If you shorten it up a bit it'll feel a bit weird early on but you do adjust pretty quickly with your technique. You'll love the extra acceleration it can give you once you get it together. Easier to pick up waves and easier to get through whitewater.


No local paddle shop to speak of, so I'm on my own. I'm 6' and the paddle is 80", which is 8" taller than I am. That's an often-recommended length; even so, it feels a little long, like 78" might be better. I think I just have to keep my eyes open til a sup newcomer arrives in town with a paddle that size ...

oliver
3952 posts
22 Nov 2008 11:20PM
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Linter..... longer is zero problem - just cut it down - easy peasy japaneesey.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39056

DavidJohn
VIC, 17434 posts
23 Nov 2008 9:45AM
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I think the correct total paddle length also depends on the blade length.

I friend just bought a Laird board and I had a paddle of it the other day and the paddle (quickblade or surftech) had a blade that was a few inches longer than my Kialoa.

DJ

stoneaxe
136 posts
23 Nov 2008 3:08PM
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Everytime this topic has come up i've thought...and said...too many variables for one recommendation. Weight of paddler, length of arms, volume of board, surfing or distance. Truthfully I think a quiver of paddles is necessary. I need a different length and maybe more importantly shape/type of blade when I'm on my 9-8 at 146 litres of volume and surfing than I do on my 12-6 at 205 litres going for distance.

Linter...I just got a couple of Starboard alloy paddles. They don't feel the same as the spanker but I need to cut one down shorter. I'd be happy to lend you it and let you try cutting it to different lengths until you find what you like. I'm going to eventually cut it so that it fits someone pretty short so you'll be able to go much shorter than your spanker if you like. I've also got a couple of other paddles (Oxbow CF at 75" and a whiskey jack at 78") you can check out. We need to hook up again anyway.

Toadwhispera
QLD, 223 posts
23 Nov 2008 7:12PM
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stoneaxe said...


Linter... We need to hook up again anyway.


Hey don't you guys live on different continents ? thats a long paddle to "hook up"and swap paddles

Sorry just curious

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
24 Nov 2008 11:24AM
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linter said...


So, I'm sort of stuck ... though I am thinking about selling the paddle and buying a Werner adjustable ... then again, how much difference can, er, ah, 2" [}:)] really make?


Hey Linter, yes I have found cutting my paddle down 1" has made a difference!
Bottom line, as STONEAXE says, ultimately you need two paddles - one for the high volume, paddling boards and a shorter one for the low volume surfing board where a shorter shaft allows for quicker response and manouevarability. I have quickly adjusted to a shorter length.

If you feel comfortable with 8" over head height - stick with it, unless it is aggravating your back or shoulders.

Forget adjustable paddles IMO if you really want to get the best performance out of your paddle. A second paddle will ultimately be the better option if and when you have two boards.

Plus you get tot take friends out with you and turn them on to PAddle Surfing!

Andrew.A


stoneaxe
136 posts
24 Nov 2008 5:12PM
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Toadwhispera said...

Hey don't you guys live on different continents ? thats a long paddle to "hook up"and swap paddles

Sorry just curious


Hehe...I think linter screwed up his profile when he signed up and left it at the default of Australia....assuming this is the linter that lives an hour south of me and let me try out his Starboard 11-2 and 9-8 before I bought my own......if not that would be a long way to go......

I'm going to cut down my werner. The handle broke after falling on it and I'm going to replace it. i temporarily put a wooden plug into the two pieces of the handle and epoxied it and its fine but I'm going to cut it down and use it as my surf paddle.

I have a bunch of wood cut and in the process of making some wooden paddles so i'll make myself a long paddle for distance. I think 2" shorter should make the werner better for surf but I want a much longer paddle for distance. I think my distance paddle will ultimately end up being 5" longer than my surf paddle. 81" and 86" respectively.



linter
223 posts
24 Nov 2008 10:03PM
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yup, it's the same linter living just down south of you. have to change my location one of these days. stoneaxe: yes, let's get together. i missed the last swell here due to family stuff and i'm going to miss the one comiing up on thurs/fri as well. but after that let's try to convene. maybe i'll come up your way, see what's going on in your neck of the woods ... tho it sure is hard to leave these points and reefs ...

stoneaxe
136 posts
25 Nov 2008 3:35AM
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linter said...

maybe i'll come up your way, see what's going on in your neck of the woods ... tho it sure is hard to leave these points and reefs ...


Next time the Cape is firing lets make a trip. I was out all by myself for 3.5 hours last swell in head high plus and glassy.......lllooooooonnnnnggggg rides. We could stay local too but that works so rarely it might be awhile.



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