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Created by planesailing > 9 months ago, 29 Apr 2010
planesailing
WA, 380 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:41PM
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Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:44PM
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planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Or single fins...

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:46PM
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You haven't watched Greenroom surf.

Each to his own I love the way Dogman rides a sup

Doesn't mean you have too.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:47PM
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doggie said...

planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Or single fins...


You bored again??? nothing happening in shortboard forum land.

GizzieNZ
4102 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:53PM
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I think that's why that recent vid of Laird is very visually refreshing....not on a rad pointy nose sinker but on a biggish board relaxed & stylee.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
29 Apr 2010 3:58PM
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hilly said...

doggie said...

planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Or single fins...


You bored again??? nothing happening in shortboard forum land.


All good just havin a look bit goin on over yonda

rodriguez
VIC, 883 posts
29 Apr 2010 6:00PM
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Maybe it's because most guys are comp orientated and, they see the shortboard/progressive style being rewarded by the judges?

planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
29 Apr 2010 6:13PM
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Or maybe beceause most guys are ex shortboarders or current shortboards you do what you do and what ever you feel is the most fun personaly i would rather bast a lip than hang ten but thats just me

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
29 Apr 2010 4:19PM
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GizzieNZ said...

I think that's why that recent vid of Laird is very visually refreshing....not on a rad pointy nose sinker but on a biggish board relaxed & stylee.



Not sure about those helicopters most people rate them however. Loved his carves off the top though.

rodriguez
VIC, 883 posts
29 Apr 2010 6:24PM
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Agreed,i like to do both,the waves pretty much dictate my approach.

dtm said...

Or maybe beceause most guys are ex shortboarders or current shortboards you do what you do and what ever you feel is the most fun personaly i would rather bast a lip than hang ten but thats just me


cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
29 Apr 2010 6:26PM
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planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Ahhh guys are doing floaters, smashing lips and doing cutties on longboards these days they might not always be as "radical" as the shortboard crew but they still do em.

Horses for courses - some people like the fast lane some people like the slow lane, I like both preferably on the same wave.

Edit - drop knee turns and retro boards ROCK

Kagey
569 posts
29 Apr 2010 4:46PM
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hilly said...

doggie said...

planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Or single fins...


You bored again??? nothing happening in shortboard forum land.



LMAO!!!

But in all seriousness I like to try and do the shortboard thing....can I say shortboard when mines 10'? Ahem anyway I like to throw my sub vector around and the board is clearly built for speed. However I do like to take my Laird out and walk the nose and pretend i'm all calm, collected and chilled (But in reality i'm a grumpy tw@t). I'd like one of those Pearson Arrows/Lairds though, I think the 10'6" would be just the job. So yeah I like both...I think I just like stand up?.

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
29 Apr 2010 8:29PM
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These pics were shot on Monday when Dave Boyd snuck out for a stealth run on his new 10'6 Imperial big boy model 115+ kg ripper prototype.

Dave mixes the new with the old effortlessly

I had to use 3600 ISO as it was just on dark.




Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
29 Apr 2010 9:27PM
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planesailing said...

Just wondering why it seems to me the majority of guys
I see SUP..ing are trying to imitate shortboard moves, like
floaters, lip slashing and radical cutbacks etc..
I thought the SUP would suit more fluid, soul type moves
similar to Longboarders.
Bring back the SOUL ARCH !!


Mal riders have 2 really distinctive styles progressive & traditional and there comps are set up to cater for both so really sups are no different.

I personally like a blend of both and my boards are generally pretty short but I have found myself lately doing cross overs with my feet and going for the nose. The best display I've seen on a Sup of both styles is Ray Gleeve he is the master of the drop knee cutback , he is all style and still bust some mighty big moves like massive floaters and lip slashing close out's.

Phil; nice first shot great exposure.

Rob



teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
29 Apr 2010 9:43PM
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I like a to watch a bit of both styles as well , i guess a really good surfer connects them all togeather and has flow.I think watching a lot of short boarders including pros some just go for slashing and ripping and their is little flow and it looks disjointed and boring.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
29 Apr 2010 8:16PM
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Yeah! I watched some comp. footage (shortboard) and I agree that
its really looks a bit disjointed. I reckon that the wave comes second
in this style of surfing and the rider just attempts to destroy it.
Long boarders have to use the wave to generate turns etc. because
of long waterline length. My Sup is 10'6", so similar to a longboard.
All this is my opinion and not at all derogatory to any of the riders.
I was just wondering if others felt the same way? and venting my
opinion.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
29 Apr 2010 10:26PM
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planesailing said...

Yeah! I watched some comp. footage (shortboard) and I agree that
its really looks a bit disjointed. I reckon that the wave comes second
in this style of surfing and the rider just attempts to destroy it.
Long boarders have to use the wave to generate turns etc. because
of long waterline length. My Sup is 10'6", so similar to a longboard.
All this is my opinion and not at all derogatory to any of the riders.
I was just wondering if others felt the same way? and venting my
opinion.


I dont reckon you will get much agreement here mate , most of the guys are short sup rippers.But for what its worth i agree with you , i also ride a longer sup and have tried shorter ones but i dont get the same feeling or enjoyment from them.But its horses for courses and i would love to be able to surf like a dogman , casso Jacko ect.

JB
NSW, 2232 posts
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29 Apr 2010 10:30PM
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I think that style is style. whether it's longboard style, shortboard style, progressive, aggressive or just impressive. When you watch someone who is smooth and in the groove it rocks!

Personally I like to mix it up. I ride everything, and love it. Use the appropriate tool for the conditions including beer when it's flat.

Prone paddlers have multiple diciplines, so why not Stand up paddlers??

I see longboard, shortboard and pure aggression progressive being the way forward.

My2cworth

JB

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
30 Apr 2010 9:02AM
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Hey PS,

If you talk to the head judge at any of the comps (exclude Mambo where I think everything is counted including style) you would hear pretty much short board criteria.

Lots of the posts on the forum are put up by comp surfers so short boards are what you hear about. At OG last weekend plenty of sups out most over 10ft.

Shorter boards now have significantly improved in performance and primary stability and as peoples skills have progressed they tend to want to pull more radical moves simply because they can.

Its a laugh to read back through last years threads and see what people were saying about I wont be going to a short board and then see whats in their quiver now. Then there is the flip side people riding ultra short and also having a long board now.

I love having both the long and the short board in the quiver as like with everything else in life moods change and you enjoy different things on different days or different conditions.

Who cares what you ride or how you ride it as long as you have fun.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
30 Apr 2010 9:27AM
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OG ....TRUE DAT!
fun,fun,fun,fun...etc.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
30 Apr 2010 3:00PM
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Planesailing,
I hear you !

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
30 Apr 2010 1:27PM
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I like soul

Maroubra SUP
NSW, 148 posts
30 Apr 2010 3:49PM
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Soulful or radical, I like both... but have always been an energetic surfer whether on short, long, or SUP. My normal approach is to turn rather than glide, to try to go vertical rather than stay horizontal. But... the wave dertermines my approach. I love it all, and appreciate other surfers' different approaches.

I ride a 9.3 Naish, and try to keep the shortboard approach. Then I have a C4 iSUP, which ain't too good for turning, but is fun for gliding, position surfing, and cross stepping type styling (I don't ride the iSUP much, except for flat water and giving others a go).

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
30 Apr 2010 6:40PM
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teatrea said...

planesailing said...

Yeah! I watched some comp. footage (shortboard) and I agree that
its really looks a bit disjointed. I reckon that the wave comes second
in this style of surfing and the rider just attempts to destroy it.
Long boarders have to use the wave to generate turns etc. because
of long waterline length. My Sup is 10'6", so similar to a longboard.
All this is my opinion and not at all derogatory to any of the riders.
I was just wondering if others felt the same way? and venting my
opinion.


I dont reckon you will get much agreement here mate , most of the guys are short sup rippers.But for what its worth i agree with you , i also ride a longer sup and have tried shorter ones but i dont get the same feeling or enjoyment from them.But its horses for courses and i would love to be able to surf like a dogman , casso Jacko ect.

Have to partially disagree with you here - riding a short sup does not make one a "ripper" . Yes, a handful of guys and gals do go pretty hard but they are not the majority.
AND why would you want to surf like any of these other guys - or anyone else for that matter. I have seen you sup surf and you go well and like all of us you have your own style and you should be proud of that and remain true to yourself.



CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
30 Apr 2010 6:44PM
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This whole notion that shortboard surfing is disjointed and disregards the wave is quite frankly very silly. Further more, even that the pro's are disjointed is almost ludicrous.

Good surfing no matter the discipline is surfing that utlilises all sections of the wave to its full degree. It is surfing that uses style, commitment, flow and speed. At no time ever has unfettered aggression on any craft overtaken this concept of good surfing. Even an aggressive surfer must have the above or they have nothing.

I watched Mick Fanning at this years Quik Pro do only 3 turns on a 150m long wave and score a 9.5. 3 of the best linked bottom, top turns you are likely to see. No pumping, wiggling or unecessary movement in between just a great surfer making the most of the wave he was riding and generating speed every time he put it on rail. The highlight of the event for me.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
30 Apr 2010 7:21PM
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i'm one of those disjointed surfers, otherwise i wouldn't be working for a living
but yeah, i wonder a lot where it's all going
cheers

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
30 Apr 2010 8:49PM
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I think good surfing is like any other sport activity , those that are excpecially talented make it look easy and effortless , and that to me is a joy to watch.That vid of Laird that was posted was a good example, so was ther vid of the guy surfing finless.Some short board surfing looks to me sometimes forced and not in tune with the wave , that just comes down i think to the mindset.

aussiefreebs
VIC, 228 posts
30 Apr 2010 9:44PM
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Been watching some olo's of late, impresses the hell out of me that they can even get some submarine action going on them.

The guy stoked on just being there will always score the 10 in my books, I just can't rate the raging hustler spitting venom at others.

Long, short, wide, retro, wooden. Just get out there!!

Jon E B
71 posts
2 May 2010 6:38AM
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CMC said...

This whole notion that shortboard surfing is disjointed and disregards the wave is quite frankly very silly. Further more, even that the pro's are disjointed is almost ludicrous.

Good surfing no matter the discipline is surfing that utlilises all sections of the wave to its full degree. It is surfing that uses style, commitment, flow and speed. At no time ever has unfettered aggression on any craft overtaken this concept of good surfing. Even an aggressive surfer must have the above or they have nothing.

I watched Mick Fanning at this years Quik Pro do only 3 turns on a 150m long wave and score a 9.5. 3 of the best linked bottom, top turns you are likely to see. No pumping, wiggling or unecessary movement in between just a great surfer making the most of the wave he was riding and generating speed every time he put it on rail. The highlight of the event for me.


Well said, bro...

Maybe it is time for some different divisions at these SUPsurf comps...



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