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The Downwind Legrope

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Created by Downwinder > 9 months ago, 26 May 2010
Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
26 May 2010 6:09PM
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If you’re into Downwind Paddling Unlimited 14ft - 19ft ocean SUP’s Balin are now producing the DOWNWIND LEGROPE yes the Downwind Legrope I love the name.
The Downwind leg rope is only 25 inches in length from rail saver to the ankle strap & will stretch up to 6½ft - 7ft. STOKED

Keen Points
1. Just sits on your SUP
2. No more tail drag
3. Doesn’t get tangled around your feet when changing from balance stance to surf stance when on a ocean runner due to the coil
4. Great for legrope plug in centre of your unlimited SUP

If you’re serious about ocean Downwind Paddling ring BALIN 03 5986 6069 ask for the Downwind Legrope retails around $50

See ya in da ocean
DW

Just sit on your SUP

No more tail drag


Only 25 inches in length

Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
26 May 2010 6:13PM
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I've already got one of those on my boogie board.

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
26 May 2010 6:15PM
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Gorgo said...

I've already got one of those on my boogie board.


Its stronger & longer than a boogie board leash

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
26 May 2010 8:17PM
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Over time, with a fair amount of use, the inside of the coil will get little hair-line cracks, which lead to leash failure.

Obviously, the inside of the coil is shorter than the outside of the coil, and when you stretch it out straight, the inside of the coil if far more "stressed out" than the outside.

Just something to watch out for in the longer term.....

Another thing to watch out for, is the short piece of chord which connects the leash to the board (or board plug). Sand can get trapped in the chord, and constant wearing against the stainless steel pin in the plug, can lead towards fraying of that chord, and chord breakage.....

We've seen the (2nd) worst case scenario of leash failure in heavy down wind conditions.

Nobody want to see the THE worst case scenario. Check your equipment, and have other back-up plans in place.

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
26 May 2010 7:57PM
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like to see how you would go with your legrope connected in the middle of your 17 foot board in 25 knots. see if ya can harden the f up then........

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
26 May 2010 9:28PM
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Very nice.. John at Balin has been great with me and always happy to do all this new stuff.. It's interesting that with that set-up you'd put the cuff on your front foot.. and not the rear foot like a normal leggie.

IMO.. that set-up would be fine for most flat water and gental down-winding conditions but when it gets wilder I'd be wanting a longer leggie that's attached to the rear like normal one so in a big fall I can fall well away from the board.

Also being 6'4" tall just treading water beside the board this type leggie would be streatched to near it's max.. Have you found it to be long enough?

DJ

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 7:10AM
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Simondo said...

Over time, with a fair amount of use, the inside of the coil will get little hair-line cracks, which lead to leash failure.

Obviously, the inside of the coil is shorter than the outside of the coil, and when you stretch it out straight, the inside of the coil if far more "stressed out" than the outside.

Just something to watch out for in the longer term.....

Another thing to watch out for, is the short piece of chord which connects the leash to the board (or board plug). Sand can get trapped in the chord, and constant wearing against the stainless steel pin in the plug, can lead towards fraying of that chord, and chord breakage.....

We've seen the (2nd) worst case scenario of leash failure in heavy down wind conditions.

Nobody want to see the THE worst case scenario. Check your equipment, and have other back-up plans in place.

G'day Simondo
I've never had a problem with this coiled legrope Balin have been custom making them for me for 3 years now in heavy Downwind condition 20 -35 knots the legrope is ALL TIME but when comming in through the surf break over 3ft yes the coiled legrope can break like it did to me at the Saltwater Festival Race I had to put the legfrope in the bin. Yes I go through one legrope a year. but Simondo if you can find a better legrope than this for Downwind paddling please let me know. The Hawaiian use this tipe of legrope & they have better stronger conditions than us in Australia.
see ya in da ocean
DW

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 7:16AM
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Scotty Mac said...

like to see how you would go with your legrope connected in the middle of your 17 foot board in 25 knots. see if ya can harden the f up then........

G'day Scotty
yes all the time thats the only place I put the legrope is in the middle of the board. I'll be doing a Downwind paddle today from Brunswick to Currumbin Alley 50km This is what the condition are today STOKED I hope to smash 5 hours.
Hazardous conditions. Use extreme caution very windy with large choppy seas. Small craft advisory. Moderate short period wind waves.
Winds: SSE 24 to 32 knots Seas: SSE 9 feet at 9 sec.
see ya in da ocean Scotty
DW

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 7:25AM
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DavidJohn said...

Very nice.. John at Balin has been great with me and always happy to do all this new stuff.. It's interesting that with that set-up you'd put the cuff on your front foot.. and not the rear foot like a normal leggie.

IMO.. that set-up would be fine for most flat water and gental down-winding conditions but when it gets wilder I'd be wanting a longer leggie that's attached to the rear like normal one so in a big fall I can fall well away from the board.

Also being 6'4" tall just treading water beside the board this type leggie would be streatched to near it's max.. Have you found it to be long enough?

DJ

G'day DJ
Check out the photo? I'm a natural footer & yes the legrope always goes on the back foot yes DJ Jon from Balin did mention your name. DJ sorry big fella but you are wrong you don't need a big long legrope when it comes to ocean Downwind paddling again I've never had a problem in 25 - 35 knot winds.
see ya in da ocean DJ
DW

PS one of the guys throw his larg legrope to the s##t house as it wraped around his rudder system this was 6km into the Saltwater Festavil Race & I saw it with my own eyes.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
27 May 2010 9:37AM
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Downwinder said...

DavidJohn said...

Very nice.. John at Balin has been great with me and always happy to do all this new stuff.. It's interesting that with that set-up you'd put the cuff on your front foot.. and not the rear foot like a normal leggie.

IMO.. that set-up would be fine for most flat water and gentle down-winding conditions but when it gets wilder I'd be wanting a longer leggie that's attached to the rear like normal one so in a big fall I can fall well away from the board.

Also being 6'4" tall just treading water beside the board this type leggie would be stretched to near it's max.. Have you found it to be long enough?

DJ

G'day DJ
Check out the photo? I'm a natural footer & yes the legrope always goes on the back foot yes DJ Jon from Balin did mention your name. DJ sorry big fella but you are wrong you don't need a big long legrope when it comes to ocean Downwind paddling again I've never had a problem in 25 - 35 knot winds.
see ya in da ocean DJ
DW

PS one of the guys throw his larg legrope to the s##t house as it wraped around his rudder system this was 6km into the Saltwater Festavil Race & I saw it with my own eyes.




I still don't see why you would put it on your back foot if you have the attaching point forward.. My front foot stays pretty much planted and my rear foot goes from a parallel stance to a surfing stance.. or is it because you want to keep it away from the steering system on the deck of the board.

I wonder why Naish don't put a leash plug forward on their DW boards..

BTW.. Notice that even Mark wears his on his front foot.. See pic.

DJ



Also.. If you look through pictures on the SIC site you will see that in most of the serious DW'ers they don't use that forward pounting point.



Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
27 May 2010 9:14AM
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not worried about the curly wurly leg rope.
its putting the attachment up the board thats dwnright dangerous.
if you want to see how it goes, take your 17 foot board out in some surf and jump in amongst the breaking waves.
then you see why they should attach toward the tail.......

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 10:41AM
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Scotty Mac said...

not worried about the curly wurly leg rope.
its putting the attachment up the board thats dwnright dangerous.
if you want to see how it goes, take your 17 foot board out in some surf and jump in amongst the breaking waves.
then you see why they should attach toward the tail.......


G'day Scotty Mac
Mate the legrope is not ment for the surf. The legrope is for ocean paddling only. Come on guys think

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
27 May 2010 10:23AM
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DW, that might correct for some places. Ok if its definetly pretty flat.

What if you are halfway down your downwinder and have an injury and have to make you way to land and the only way in is through the surf?

What if the seas rise quickly and you find yourself in 40-50knts? Its just like surf, isnt it DJ......

Come on think?

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 10:53AM
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Thanks Downwinder. I was just putting a little warning out there to observe your equipment. The coil style is good. Some manufacturers have been doing larger coils.

I think the leash is a touch short for someone like DJ.

But I prefer a normal straight leash, heavy duty. Yes, it drags out the back, but I maintain the leash does not slow you down.

I'll do my 400m course tonight a few times tonight, with different fins, and with & without leash, and get back to you here.

I'm using a 10ft leash on the 14 Naish. You stand about 7' up the board, so it only leaves a 1'6" (2x1'6") loop in the water. I've never had an issue with standing/tripping on the normal leash.

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 10:57AM
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If you watch this video just only look at the Downwind Legrope in action doing its thing. Naish I guess have not done it. Put a legrope plug in middle of the board because in Hawaii don't like to copy one another designe. But if you look at two Australian SUP companies they've copied the SIC rudder system where as Naish have designed there own. & I think the Naish rudder system is better than the SIC. But me personaly I beleive SIC make the best Downwind boards on the planet (way ahead of the rest).

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
27 May 2010 11:45AM
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Thanks for this post Downwinder - I will definately be moving across to this Balin leggie as it looks really good.

I have moved over to a system where I have my leggie on my front foot (my left rudder foot) and I am liking it. When I get to the wave zone (if there is one) I then move it back to my back foot.

No matter where you put the leggie you do not want it to be long. Any leg rope in the water is a potential snag and it will get caught in your rudder system eventually. The coil leg rope enables you to have all of the leg rope on the board and will also give you some extension.

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 12:57PM
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Great Mikeman you're onto it

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 1:06PM
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Scotty Mac said...

DW, that might correct for some places. Ok if its definetly pretty flat.

What if you are halfway down your downwinder and have an injury and have to make you way to land and the only way in is through the surf?

What if the seas rise quickly and you find yourself in 40-50knts? Its just like surf, isnt it DJ......

Come on think?


if the wind was 40 -50 knots well that would be just ALL TIMEimagine the runners they'ed go for like a mile yes please & if you did fall off & break your legrope your support boat eg jet-ski would be there for you to pick you up. Otherwise why would you be out there in those winds unless you have a death wise!!
see ya in da ocean Scotty I'll race ya
DW

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
27 May 2010 12:54PM
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Yer maybe one day I race ya.

Only been in one race, the Robe Inurgrial challenge, top class field too and yep, you guessed it, I won......

Pretty good pace but I think, 22mins for just under 5km.
Won't be connecting my leg rope in the middle.

You know its a big world out there and there is always someone else out there who is faster......

Ali Cat
QLD, 1205 posts
27 May 2010 1:34PM
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Thanks Downwinder for letting us know that this legrope is available - i'd like to give one a try. I've been using one of the half coil/half straight leggies which I find much better than a straight one as there's not nearly so much drag, but being attached to the tail, it still stretches out a long way if you fall off and can take a bit to pull the board back in if you fall off in strong winds.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
27 May 2010 2:00PM
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Geez the modesty on these forums blows me away.

Has anyone ever heard of the word Humility???

Downwinder
QLD, 2030 posts
27 May 2010 2:04PM
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Scotty Mac said...

Yer maybe one day I race ya.

Only been in one race, the Robe Inurgrial challenge, top class field too and yep, you guessed it, I won......

Pretty good pace but I think, 22mins for just under 5km.
Won't be connecting my leg rope in the middle.

You know its a big world out there and there is always someone else out there who is faster......


I totally agree with you Scotty there is allways someone out there thats better than yourself which is great otherwise the world would be just boring. one day you are ripping the next day you are just a kook. Challengers are good they make you try. Never cry over spilt milk as they say.

I'd love to watch the Olympic Games that allows sports enhancing drugs imagine the world records that would be broken that would be just all time fun to watch.
DW


Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
27 May 2010 2:26PM
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Sorry to sound negative (especially after my boogie board comment) but I skimmed through the video and didn't see you fall off at all. Do you have some footage of the leash actually doing stuff?

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
27 May 2010 2:41PM
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Im starting to like this idea of the leggie attached in the middle of the board. If you were to fall off and the leggie did break you would still have around 1/2 a board length to catch the board before it gets away from you (once it is gone you won't catch it!). When its attached to the back of the board there is no room for error if it breaks at full stretch - the board will be gone. I think I might try this out...

jed
NSW, 188 posts
27 May 2010 4:19PM
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Simondo said...


But I prefer a normal straight leash, heavy duty. Yes, it drags out the back, but I maintain the leash does not slow you down.


Gday Simondo, sorry leggies trailing in the water DO slow you down. This is a fact on shortboards, which is why it is always best to use the lightest leash possible in waves under, say, 4-6ft, after which it becomes another matter. Although you are moving at slower speeds on a downwind board, there is no doubt that a big thick leggie creates unnecessary drag. Just how much that affects speed is an unknown quantity, but it is some sort of quantity nonetheless.

I switched to a short coiled leggie recently on the downwind board and am a 110% convert. The main advantage is that it does not get caught around your rudder. Nothing worse than falling, jumping back on your board & getting going again, then having to jump back off and unwrap the leggie to free the rudder. In a decent wind, someone can get 200m on you while you're f***ing around.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 4:31PM
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Agreed Jed. I run a fixed fin with plenty of rake, so I've never had the trouble of it catching the leash.

I never said, "forget the coil" though. Just watch out for the cracks, maybe 2+ years down the track. Also, for all SUP users, regularly check that little piece of chord between the board, and any leash.

Let the time trials begin.... about to head off !!

jed
NSW, 188 posts
27 May 2010 4:33PM
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no worries, forewarned is forearmed.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
27 May 2010 6:40PM
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Simondo said...

Agreed Jed. I run a fixed fin with plenty of rake, so I've never had the trouble of it catching the leash.

I never said, "forget the coil" though. Just watch out for the cracks, maybe 2+ years down the track. Also, for all SUP users, regularly check that little piece of chord between the board, and any leash.

Let the time trials begin.... about to head off !!



2 years would be good for any legrope

oliver
3952 posts
27 May 2010 4:55PM
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I reckon the balin leg ropes are a great idea, thanks for posting downwind - I'll get myself one.

BTW if I ever get myself in any more trouble on this forum in the future will you bat for me?

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
27 May 2010 7:45PM
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jed said...

Simondo said...


But I prefer a normal straight leash, heavy duty. Yes, it drags out the back, but I maintain the leash does not slow you down.


Gday Simondo, sorry leggies trailing in the water DO slow you down. This is a fact on shortboards, which is why it is always best to use the lightest leash possible in waves under, say, 4-6ft, after which it becomes another matter. Although you are moving at slower speeds on a downwind board, there is no doubt that a big thick leggie creates unnecessary drag. Just how much that affects speed is an unknown quantity, but it is some sort of quantity nonetheless.

I switched to a short coiled leggie recently on the downwind board and am a 110% convert. The main advantage is that it does not get caught around your rudder. Nothing worse than falling, jumping back on your board & getting going again, then having to jump back off and unwrap the leggie to free the rudder. In a decent wind, someone can get 200m on you while you're f***ing around.


i purchased a balin coil from roar yesterday . tried it out today on a quick up and down run. it sits perfectly on the deck of my 17' and i had to be talked into it- a knee attachment. very happy with the comfort and it's a solid thick bu##er, but it's out of the water- so no worries
cheers

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 8:35PM
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I meant to say "leash drag does not slow you 'very much'..."

Tests tonight were showed maybe 2-3 seconds over 400m. Hard to tell with fatigue.

So I would say, enough difference for serious racing, but probably not enough difference for a leisurely paddle with your mates. Unless you and your mates are deadly serious about beating each other !!

Simon



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