This thread ain't going to be deleted, it's good discussion.
It does needs to be discussed & addressed, whether you like it or not, because if you turn a blind eye, things get implemented and you'll be left wondering why.
Kitesurfing has gone through the flames in all these things, and beaches are getting banned left, right & centre. Volunteer orgs work real hard to save what they can.
This blue bit indicates where kiters are now allowed in mullaloo .. a lot of community discussion in the forums saved the bit they did get
"Like never before, maintaining kitesurfing beach access is up to us....
Many Thanks to WAKSA for their ongoing efforts in maintaining beach access. This issue consumed many hours of volunteer kiters working hard to ensure a few bad apples don't ruin kitesurfing for the whole community (both kiters & non kiters). The team at WAKSA put in mountains of effort, and over 80 kiters turned up at the council meeting to show their support."
Full story here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Kitesurfing/New-rules-for-Mullaloo-kitesurfers_4173448.aspx
my experience with dw ing usually means within 2.5 k limit- coastal runs. the bay runs in vicco are probably more
it's tough one all right
. i'm in the residental building caper mainly. if you make an effort with safety, the powers to be usually leave you alone is all i can say
I've joined the dots. Obviously SUP's are too unorganized in Vicco to get together and work stuff out. Just another one of those boring and irritating East vrs West melodramas.
When are you westies ever going to figure it out?
....We have the stronger paddlers. Go Cam.
At the rate Victorians are moving to Qld I can understand their Governments need to protect the population that has decided to stay a while longer.
That said, lets leave the nanny state laws out of Qld.
As this situation was totally avoidable I find the emotive outrage expressed by some quite amusing!
As DJ says this has been going on for a lot longer than 8 months, there has been ample opportunity for intervention, even blind Freddy could see it coming. Ask your self why is it that it got to this point before anything has been done.
The only Nannys involved are the ones on this forum flapping thier gums rather than applying positive actions and input!
Paddles sports like OC1, canoing and kayaking have or are going through similar issues with safety, we are no different.
All surf Sups need legropes near shore an maybe additional equipment at offshore bombies.
Down Wind SUPs, well I will leave that arguement to those with more experience than me as it varies with conditions.
Table a document that shows what measurable action will be taken, by when and by who. Educate new comers through the SUP clubs and stores and it will all go away!
Pretty simple fix really
Or just continue to sit behind the keyboard make negative comments abuse the peak body who is trying to assist us avoid regulation, do nothing constructive and continue to crap on to ensure you get the so called Nanny State your so much against.
Phill
It looks like I have hit a raw note and coped it though not intended. It was meant to be tongue in cheek. If you are in a situation of being Government regulated in Victoria then you need to to give guidance. In many areas you seem to suffer regulations more then we do (Lucky us).
When organizing events that have other people involved then regulation is required so that risks and your own personal legal liability are mitagated, however regulation for personal acitivy to the point that is happening is taking on the Nanny State perspective. No personal offence intended.
I have over 2 decades of personal experience in Education as a Physical Education teacher that has seen regulations grow to incredible levels. Our regulated document used to be 1cm thick and now if you printed it now it is over a foot thick (Hawaiian style ) and continuing to grow.
I still have a printed 1978 Syllabus book for PE Teachers that list 'tree climbing' at an acceptable activity with positive outcomes. You would never teacher that now (not saying I would want to). etc etc etc.
I have seen the regulations we have as being one of the reasons many things are not taught any more and also a contributing factor to children's lack of activity and ability to identify risk. So much so that we now teach risk identifications........... (Before anyone starts i am not complaining about education. It is just the way it is know)
Some of the rules you seem to have mentioned are made of common sense. The fear is it may lead to it being very prescriptive and doesn't allow for all situations and levels of ability or associated support.
When are we going to rely on the individuals common sense when participating in personal activity. It worked in the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60' etc etc etc.
I stretch my Sunday morning brain and can not think of a story in QLD where a SUP paddler, Kite Surfer, Wind Surfer, Ski Paddler, Surf Boat Crew etc etc that has come to grief here from not having these rules written by a regulative body.
Maybe my comment was made at annoyance of over regulation but where will it stop. And yes I agree with Jacko so enough said by me..
Had a nice paddle this arvo on the Yarra. Thanks to DJ for the company/guide and giving me a go in the big Naish. Wow, those things are smoooooth. After DJ left I went downstream to the aquarium, and on the way back got accosted by a Parks boat and an angry little man who threatened to fine me for not wearing a PFD. I pled stupidity (from NSW) but he told me I'd get fined if he saw me again. I was of the impression there was no compulsory PFD requirement in VIC? Anyone know for sure what the rules are on the Yarra, so I can tell him to get stu**ed if he stops me again over the weekend?
Unbelievable the amount of mis-information that is being thrown around. It's a shame that Max Wells, from Surfing Victoria has got his facts so wrong. [}:)]
There is NO legislation to regulate SUP in Victoria.
As far as the main contact at Marine Safety VIC is aware, police HAVE NOT requested SUP to be classified as vessels.
Marine Safety had one incident that alerted SUP to their attention. As a result, they were keen to see what the industry standards are.
ASI have been providing SUP instructor and SUP school accreditation for over 2 years now. They are the industry leader and operate internationally. See their website at www.academyofsurfing.com
Australia's new national Stand Up Paddle Association, SUP Australia Inc, has been formed to liaise with government departments such as Marine Safety VIC and provide proper and full consultation from people who represent the industry. Consultation information will be posted shortly on their website. www.sup-australia.com
I am a few arms lengths away from all of this....
I have not been introduced to Max Wells, but I know who he is.
Plus, I couldn't hang around for the post SUP Vic Titles discussions... So I am well and truly at arms length...
However I paddle a fair bit, I don't think me head is buried in the sand (too much....)... And all of sudden this is the first I have heard of Sup-Australia.Com. With an added slap in the face for Max Wells.... ??
It looked to me that Surfing Vic & Surfing Australia was the horse pulling the cart.... and now ???
Long story short, we should be working together.... (???)
Here's a fun side to SUP!
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Sexy-girl-SUP-pics/?page=21
If I could just make a few points....
Simondo - that is enjoyable viewing but will not help the situation. SUP is not a dinosaur sport - see sky sports uk this week for what happens to that type of activity.
deleting things from the Internet does not work....once posted it will remain. So whilst u may like a post to be deleted just remember it can be found - counts double for social networking! Short sighteeness will get you nowhere fast.
Australia is a police state but we all choose to live here and in doing so we have accepted the rules that society by definition of our demographic state have decided are for the betterb of all. We may not like them all. We do have the ability to challenge them and change them though if that is what is required. It's a lot easier to be sensible about the process and sort it before it happens. It sounds to me like max should be given a gold star. I think some of you should show him some respect and help him not hinder him with your short sighted comments. Imagine a road network with no laws.....it would be fun but not in the long run. Rules suck. But they allow society to function.
Anyway just a few thoughts......
All very good points Phill and Brendan and Simon.
Max Wells has taken this as far as he is able and has done a great job, thanks in large part to his 20 years experience and vast industry based contacts working with Victorian state government ministries. Now he's handed over to a working group comprising the two SUP clubs here in Victoria and the main Victorian SUP schools to figure out a workable solution for all Victorians. As Jacko stated early in this thread, it's a local problem, we should deal with it locally. Any advice or assistance from interstate will be happily received but we in Victoria alone will ultimately have to live with the outcome. With that in mind, it's imperative that we be the driving force on behalf of SUP in Victoria, and come to a meeting of minds with the Victorian government agency responsible for water safety.
Hi Oliver,
there has been no changes as yet only discussion and recommendations at recent events by the organisers,
havn't seen you at any events lately so if you could come along to the SHQ cruise to Cerberus on Sunday at Sandringham we could inform you on what's been happening there,
cheers,
Camo.
Yes, the last two months have been pretty full on for me, I've been on holidays and have been pretty busy working since Christmas, so haven't had much time to do much else. Sunday should be ok for me though, I guess I can hear all the updates at the SHQ cerberus thingo.