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Wa downwinders need your help

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Created by marcus > 9 months ago, 28 Dec 2013
weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
2 Jan 2014 12:11PM
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teatrea said...
Kakkerlak said..

teatrea said..
We probably should stop calling them shark attacks for starters. Seems most incidents are cases of mistaken identity. Facts are hundreds of thousands of people die every day for all manner of reasons and very few of them are by shark ATTACK. I personally don't agree with netting or drumlines , but at the same time I wouldn't surf in high risk places or times when sharks are most active.


I get the sh!ts every time I hear the statement ???mistaken identity???
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wedge-island-jet-skier-praised-for-bravery-in-shark-attack/story-fnhocxo3-1226768000878
a shark circling, observing and then attacking just to return and fight of a jetski to finish of the remains could not have made a mistake in identity
www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/inquest-into-2012-fatal-shark-attack-on-ben-linden-near-wedge-island/story-fnhocxo3-1226738487641
this shark was hungry and hanged in the area for days, maybe a drum line could have saved his life


What about this line "Surfers in the area had noticed a large great white shark lurking in the area for about four days prior to Mr Linden's death, nicknaming the beast "Brutus'' due its size." maybe if we had a warning system or authorities are notified and the animal harassed away from the area he may still be alive. If their where drumlins maybe more sharks could be attracted to the area. Any way lots of maybe's statistics and what if's.


Are you saying Brutus got him

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
2 Jan 2014 12:59PM
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Got to love the thumb brigade, big and strong in 2014!

So I wonder if the "preventative measures", taken on the Gold Coast for example, are in any way a placebo and/or liability driven...

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
2 Jan 2014 9:46PM
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husq2100 said..

Got to love the thumb brigade, big and strong in 2014!

So I wonder if the "preventative measures", taken on the Gold Coast for example, are in any way a placebo and/or liability driven...


hahahaha i love the thumb brigade husq it just restores my belief some people are just gutless hahahahaha

placebo you funny.

ok lets keep it simple, states attack/deaths with drums to states attack/deaths without drums.

Mask
WA, 293 posts
2 Jan 2014 7:56PM
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Invite me to a protest against the killing and maiming of my fellow watermen/women and I will be there.

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
2 Jan 2014 8:30PM
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husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
3 Jan 2014 8:29AM
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weiry said..

husq2100 said..

Got to love the thumb brigade, big and strong in 2014!

So I wonder if the "preventative measures", taken on the Gold Coast for example, are in any way a placebo and/or liability driven...


hahahaha i love the thumb brigade husq it just restores my belief some people are just gutless hahahahaha

placebo you funny.

ok lets keep it simple, states attack/deaths with drums to states attack/deaths without drums.


Keeping it simple like that will give a false result. But if it helps support your argument rock on.

Kakkerlak
WA, 174 posts
3 Jan 2014 10:34AM
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Just spend a week surfing and kiting from Margaret River to Lancelin. Every spot I went to which had a bit of reef close by were littered with cray pods. For those who do not know cray pots get stocked with dead fish and scraps as bait. With so much burley out there already I seriously doubt if a few baited hooks will make much of a difference.

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
3 Jan 2014 5:39PM
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Haha you sad little red thumbers made me right...all two of you lol.
I thought it was a great pic
So if more than you two turn up to the protest please us know

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
4 Jan 2014 8:04PM
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weiry said...
teatrea said...
Kakkerlak said..

teatrea said..
We probably should stop calling them shark attacks for starters. Seems most incidents are cases of mistaken identity. Facts are hundreds of thousands of people die every day for all manner of reasons and very few of them are by shark ATTACK. I personally don't agree with netting or drumlines , but at the same time I wouldn't surf in high risk places or times when sharks are most active.


I get the sh!ts every time I hear the statement ???mistaken identity???
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wedge-island-jet-skier-praised-for-bravery-in-shark-attack/story-fnhocxo3-1226768000878
a shark circling, observing and then attacking just to return and fight of a jetski to finish of the remains could not have made a mistake in identity
www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/inquest-into-2012-fatal-shark-attack-on-ben-linden-near-wedge-island/story-fnhocxo3-1226738487641
this shark was hungry and hanged in the area for days, maybe a drum line could have saved his life


What about this line "Surfers in the area had noticed a large great white shark lurking in the area for about four days prior to Mr Linden's death, nicknaming the beast "Brutus'' due its size." maybe if we had a warning system or authorities are notified and the animal harassed away from the area he may still be alive. If their where drumlins maybe more sharks could be attracted to the area. Any way lots of maybe's statistics and what if's.


Are you saying Brutus got him


I didn't think so

Spartan1801
1 posts
6 May 2014 9:16AM
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chrispy said..

dralyagmas said...
I am jumping in saying that these "deterrents" do not work. Here is my advice to WA government.

Suggesting that they do work because there hasn't been a fatality at these beaches is crap. They don't do these deterrents around thousands of locations in Aus who also have not had a fatality. Using the same logic me chanting twinkle twinkle at these locations also prevents shark attacks.



In response to your proposal to bait shark lines off metro Perth beaches. Please reconsider not only for the fact that this could result in culling of an endangered species but also for the fact that this will result in a potential enormous legal liability issue for the WA State government. The reality is that you will not keep people out of the water enjoying the beautiful beaches, particularly with summer conditions and events such as "the Doctor" ski race on in January. Your proposal to bait hooks will attract sharks (as it's intended) however I put it to you that what will the government's response be if you have attracted the sharks but before they are hooked, they kill a person in the water. If this happens then the logical and probably legal response would be to suggest that the government has contributed to the fatality and should pay compensation, whether this legal argument is substantiated in courts is irrelevant when the media run the story.

I strongly suggest you find a more sustainable solution not just for the significant weight of scientific evidence suggesting that it won't work but also for the potential media and legal ramifications of significantly increasing risk to swimmers while baits are in place.


Um those words again...suggestions pffft culling,come on how is it culling? More propaganda and not any substance again....the guys over here on the goldy run the 12 towers race....nobody eaten yet...if we did not have preventive measures that we have in place,well maybe it could be the other way....propaganda goes both ways


Sorry to reactivate an old thread, but after reading through the whole things i was interested to know what you were basing your facts on chrispy... I too am from the Gold Coast, but I'm on the complete opposite side of the argument to you

And do you still say that the WA Cull wasn't a cull? and even if you don't see it as a cull, what about queensland with its 344 drumlines and 35 nets, killing 400-500 sharks every year, often undersize or not target species, not to mention the bycatch?

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
6 May 2014 1:00PM
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Spartan1801 said...
chrispy said..

dralyagmas said...
I am jumping in saying that these "deterrents" do not work. Here is my advice to WA government.

Suggesting that they do work because there hasn't been a fatality at these beaches is crap. They don't do these deterrents around thousands of locations in Aus who also have not had a fatality. Using the same logic me chanting twinkle twinkle at these locations also prevents shark attacks.



In response to your proposal to bait shark lines off metro Perth beaches. Please reconsider not only for the fact that this could result in culling of an endangered species but also for the fact that this will result in a potential enormous legal liability issue for the WA State government. The reality is that you will not keep people out of the water enjoying the beautiful beaches, particularly with summer conditions and events such as "the Doctor" ski race on in January. Your proposal to bait hooks will attract sharks (as it's intended) however I put it to you that what will the government's response be if you have attracted the sharks but before they are hooked, they kill a person in the water. If this happens then the logical and probably legal response would be to suggest that the government has contributed to the fatality and should pay compensation, whether this legal argument is substantiated in courts is irrelevant when the media run the story.

I strongly suggest you find a more sustainable solution not just for the significant weight of scientific evidence suggesting that it won't work but also for the potential media and legal ramifications of significantly increasing risk to swimmers while baits are in place.


Um those words again...suggestions pffft culling,come on how is it culling? More propaganda and not any substance again....the guys over here on the goldy run the 12 towers race....nobody eaten yet...if we did not have preventive measures that we have in place,well maybe it could be the other way....propaganda goes both ways


Sorry to reactivate an old thread, but after reading through the whole things i was interested to know what you were basing your facts on chrispy... I too am from the Gold Coast, but I'm on the complete opposite side of the argument to you

And do you still say that the WA Cull wasn't a cull? and even if you don't see it as a cull, what about queensland with its 344 drumlines and 35 nets, killing 400-500 sharks every year, often undersize or not target species, not to mention the bycatch?


So tell us about the so called bycatch ?

Ashmullet
NSW, 282 posts
6 May 2014 8:52PM
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Ok I just spent the last 3 months live baiting for tuna and cobia off a few local rock ledges!
the amount of sharks I see and what they do to many a fishermans dream catch is nature at its best

Yes the odd bogan crew comes out and catch
a few sharks!
and u know what good on em they fillet and clean there catch and don't discard it,and are passionate about eating shark( what do the drum liners and gov funded boats do wit there shark captures?)
**** a duck these men in grey suits have a lots of mates and there is plenty of fish around to keep the sharks happy there seems to be few rouge ones here and there that attack humans yes cull them but how many humans die to other humans everyday not much human culling going on ay!
**** a duck I surf 300 metres away from where I fish I've never seen a shark in the line up in 24 years I could of gave a few of these fellas a tickle on the nose over the years still won't stop me getting in the water
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