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What size is this wave face?

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Created by GizzieNZ > 9 months ago, 7 May 2010
OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
7 May 2010 7:17PM
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Hey Legion i did say "hint" after all.

It was shot from a long long way away and yes you would have to shrink Kristi as well, i reckon she was 10 - 15m from the wave.

IMO the face was 1ft over Kristi's head most of the time.

Yours terms 3 ft solid?

Phill

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 5:21PM
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OG SUP said...

... i reckon she was 10 - 15m from the wave.

IMO the face was 1ft over Kristi's head most of the time.

Yours terms 3 ft solid?

If so, yes. Easier to tell when someone's much closer (i.e. riding), like the other photos from your other thread I posted.

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
7 May 2010 7:24PM
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Legion with swell at 5-6ft on the open beaches and offshore that spot will be smoking tomorrow and so clean.

Phill

Kagey
569 posts
7 May 2010 5:29PM
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Legion said...

It's not that hard daletor. I've got no problems calling wave sizes in feet. Generally:

1' == waist high sets if you're lucky and you bend your knees
2' == waist to chest high
3' == head high
4' == OH
5' == almost 2 x HH
6' == around 2 x HH
6-8' == solid DOH sets
8-10' == TOH sets
10-12' == TOH - 4xOH

etc.

Don't need to paddle out to evaluate.

Or if you live around here, I'd also add:

3", 6", etc. for the more common days.


That list clears alot up for me for future descriptions to people who ask me how big the surf was. I remember being told when I first started surfing that 6ft was way over head height and then some..and I can also remember thinking wow what a complete load of toss and bolix. So then at Tawharanui last sunday afternoon it was 2ft with the occasional 3ft wave OK?


Bnaccas
VIC, 1722 posts
7 May 2010 7:35PM
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The average height of an adult is 5 to 6 feet so using head high etc can be confusing to some as their
idea of head high may vary. "Is he talking about his head height, my head height or the average head height?"
Double overhead could vary from 10 feet to 13ft quite easily. It is for this reason a mate came up with his
own theory.

I'm in no way trying to be racist but a few crew I know use the "Midget" theory.

The average height of a little person is said to be 4 feet. So if the wave face is 4ft high then it's 1 midget.
6ft high is 1 1/2 midgets, 8 ft high is 2 midgets etc etc. This eliminates any confusion.

It cracks me up when I ask them how big it was and they say "Ah...probably around 2 to 3 midgets". I know
it's really bad but they mean no disrespect.

So in conclusion, that wave is about 1 1/2 to 2 midgets.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 5:43PM
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Kagey said...

So then at Tawharanui last sunday afternoon it was 2ft with the occasional 3ft wave OK?


Maybe, but in that photo I'd call it 1-2' or a very weak 2'. Between the two surfers on the left it's pretending to be 2' but looks like it's struggling and pretty gutless. There might be brief seconds it's chest high but it looks more waist high. Remember, if you're conservative no-one will laugh at you, whereas if you're optimistic they certainly will .

Anyway, all these are just MHO. You'll find they're not uncommon though. E.g. have a look at epicswells.com. There's a shoot from a few days ago that fits exactly in with the method I use, 6-8' and the waves look 2 x HH with riders, DOH on the unridden bombs.

OG, your comment makes me think of your avatar when I think of our foreseeable forecast.

Kagey
569 posts
7 May 2010 5:43PM
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Half to 3/4 of a midget at Tawharanui then.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
7 May 2010 5:48PM
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Legion said...

Kagey said...

So then at Tawharanui last sunday afternoon it was 2ft with the occasional 3ft wave OK?


Maybe, but in that photo I'd call it 1-2' or a very weak 2'. Between the two surfers on the left it's pretending to be 2' but looks like it's struggling and pretty gutless. There might be brief seconds it's chest high but it looks more waist high. Remember, if you're conservative no-one will laugh at you, whereas if you're optimistic they certainly will .

Anyway, all these are just MHO. You'll find they're not uncommon though. E.g. have a look at epicswells.com. There's a shoot from a few days ago that fits exactly in with the method I use, 6-8' and the waves look 2 x HH with riders, DOH on the unridden bombs.

OG, your comment makes me think of your avatar when I think of our foreseeable forecast.


But people laugh at me regardless if Im conservative or not

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 5:50PM
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Bnaccas said...

... some as their
idea of head high may vary.

I've always thought of head high as 6', even when I was a grommet. That's what I understood the convention to be. Same as a foot is 12", not my foot vs. your foot .

Bnaccas said...

Double overhead could vary from 10 feet to 13ft quite easily.

DOH is easy, more than 2 x 6' people on the face. I.e. 12-15' faces, so call that 6-8' in proper (well, industry standard) measurement.

13ft . Remember, no such thing .

Kagey
569 posts
7 May 2010 6:16PM
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Legion said...

Kagey said...

So then at Tawharanui last sunday afternoon it was 2ft with the occasional 3ft wave OK?


Maybe, but in that photo I'd call it 1-2' or a very weak 2'. Between the two surfers on the left it's pretending to be 2' but looks like it's struggling and pretty gutless. There might be brief seconds it's chest high but it looks more waist high.


So 2ft then going by your own list?

Oh and yes it was a dying swell in about 15-20 kph offshore winds but I was glad to catch the last day of it, I didn't say it was epic....But thanks for your description of it being very weak struggling and gutless. I must remember to post some more pics.

lost at sea
WA, 358 posts
7 May 2010 6:21PM
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hmmm my 5 cents 3footish depends on the bank or reef but yeh 3 foot

loco4olas
NSW, 1516 posts
7 May 2010 8:26PM
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Legion said...

It's not that hard daletor. I've got no problems calling wave sizes in feet. Generally:

1' == waist high sets if you're lucky and you bend your knees
2' == waist to chest high
3' == head high
4' == OH
5' == almost 2 x HH
6' == around 2 x HH
6-8' == solid DOH sets
8-10' == TOH sets
10-12' == TOH - 4xOH

etc.

Don't need to paddle out to evaluate.



That's how I call it too-other rule=whatever size a California says it is-and divide by 2.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 6:30PM
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I wasn't trying to be insulting Kagey. I get the impression by your last post you might've been insulted. After a second look I might even call it 1'. When it's small and the lip has no strength it can kind of throw occasionally and appear bigger than it is. By all means post more pics. Love pics. Like the ones of the goater in the other thread, awesome.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 6:31PM
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loco4olas said...

That's how I call it too-other rule=whatever size a California says it is-and divide by 2.

Hahaha, best method yet.

Kagey
569 posts
7 May 2010 6:44PM
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Legion said...

I wasn't trying to be insulting Kagey. I get the impression by your last post you might've been insulted. After a second look I might even call it 1'. When it's small and the lip has no strength it can kind of throw occasionally and appear bigger than it is. By all means post more pics. Love pics. Like the ones of the goater in the other thread, awesome.


No not insulted, but I agree the pic is prob 1-2 ft at best and please take my word for it larger waves made an appearance....soo it was 1-2 ft with the occasional 3ft wave rolling on through...did I have de ja vue just then

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 6:53PM
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You want to be cool and conservative like these guys:



"I don't go out unless it's double overhead ..."

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
7 May 2010 8:22PM
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does it really matter ?????
the length of a peice of string is 2 times the length of it folded in half.

aussiefreebs
VIC, 228 posts
7 May 2010 10:28PM
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Yeah, and if a wave breaks on a beach, on no one is around to hear it. Then did it really make a sound?

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
7 May 2010 10:29PM
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OG, your comment makes me think of your avatar when I think of our foreseeable forecast.


way too criptic I am too many drugs engrisssh please

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 8:37PM
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OG SUP said...

... swell at 5-6ft on the open beaches and offshore that spot will be smoking tomorrow and so clean.


I need some of your drugs, because our forecast indicates it'll be about 1-2' and onshore, crossshore at best where I am.

Your avatar describes how I feel about the situation.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 8:42PM
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planesailing said...

does it really matter ?????

It only matters if you want to interact with other water users or make use of wave forecasts and reports. Otherwise use e.g. Bnaccas' midget system, or DJ's hobbit system.

oliver
3952 posts
7 May 2010 8:45PM
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Legion said...

It's not that hard daletor. I've got no problems calling wave sizes in feet. Generally:

1' == waist high sets if you're lucky and you bend your knees
2' == waist to chest high
3' == head high
4' == OH
5' == almost 2 x HH
6' == around 2 x HH
6-8' == solid DOH sets
8-10' == TOH sets
10-12' == TOH - 4xOH

etc.

Don't need to paddle out to evaluate.

Or if you live around here, I'd also add:

3", 6", etc. for the more common days.


I think you are probably right with the imperial measurements - judging how similar topics have panned out previously on wave heights.

I think it's better to measure wave height in terms of how it relates to your body to non surfing aficionados. As you have demonstrated - it's easier for everybody to understand.

For example: If someone told me they were out in clean one foot waves, I'd think to myself that it would have been barely surfable and I'd think they were on a 20' board. But if they said it was waist high then I'd think that they had a pretty good session.

Kristy, to me, was out in slightly over head high waves. I think most of us commoners can understand that.

Brooko
1672 posts
7 May 2010 10:33PM
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Legion said...

Generally if you've been surfing in Australia for a while and know what's up, the safe way to measure is half the face then round down, be conservative. Also, there are certain wave sizes that don't exist, such as odd numbers over 5'. You can't say it was 9' today, you can say it was 8-10'. Same for 14' - it's 12-15'. It's something like either of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20, 25, etc.

You can also use face measurements if you use the "head" system, e.g. head-high == ~3', overhead == 4', DOH == 6-8', TOH == 10' or 10-12'.

That's just the way it is in Australia. If you measure otherwise, e.g. using the "foot" system for faces, expect to get called out or laughed at.


Finally this man had something sensible to say Totally agree, I would call that 3-4 ft and thats just the way it has always been and should always be, I would not even know all this talk about wave face this that and the other, it is what it is

Bnaccas
VIC, 1722 posts
8 May 2010 12:56AM
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Brooko said...

Legion said...

......You can also use face measurements if you use the "head" system, e.g. head-high == ~3', overhead == 4', DOH == 6-8', TOH == 10' or 10-12'.

That's just the way it is in Australia. If you measure otherwise, e.g. using the "foot" system for faces, expect to get called out or laughed at.


Finally this man had something sensible to say Totally agree, I would call that 3-4 ft and thats just the way it has always been and should always be, I would not even know all this talk about wave face this that and the other, it is what it is


I agree with most of it but the DOH being 6' to 8' is a bit of a stretch. DOH in my book is 6' max.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
7 May 2010 11:38PM
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6' == double head high. Anything from 6' up to a few feet higher (on the face) is DOH, therefore 6-8' is DOH. A straight 6' is easy, because it's two 6' people high. It's the overhead part that makes it 6-8'.

Same as 3' is head high, but 4' is overhead. DOH is just double 4'.

And I forgot the special case you sometimes see - 18'. Sometimes you see 15-18', which is when it's bigger than 15' but doesn't warrant the full 20' call. However, you're not allowed to use 18' by itself .

Generally as it gets bigger you use more of a range, because you get bomb sets and solid waves in between so you call them both as the range because even the smaller ones are significant. On smaller days you don't care about the in betweeners because only the sets are any good so it's more common to say it's 1' or 2' or 3' or 4'. It's only really when it gets bigger than that that you start using ranges. Or if you're unsure such as in the pictures that prompted the thread.

You might use a range if you're describing e.g. a whole day when the swell jumped, but that'd be part of the description too and would therefore emphasis how conditions changed.

To those that say it doesn't matter etc, it does if you're describing it to mates etc. E.g. if it's under 6' I'm going to treat it as fun, consequences not high. 6-8' is getting serious and I'd want to make sure I bring my A game and have a plan. 10' and it's very serious and you want to take things very carefully and have the right preparation and equipment. If someone told me it's 10' and they're talking some arbitrary face measurement system and I turn up fully psyched up with a gun, I'm going to be pretty annoyed when it's a playful 5' in reality.

oliver
3952 posts
8 May 2010 12:00AM
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Legion said...

6' == double head high. Anything from 6' up to a few feet higher (on the face) is DOH, therefore 6-8' is DOH. A straight 6' is easy, because it's two 6' people high. It's the overhead part that makes it 6-8'.

Same as 3' is head high, but 4' is overhead. DOH is just double 4'.

And I forgot the special case you sometimes see - 18'. Sometimes you see 15-18', which is when it's bigger than 15' but doesn't warrant the full 20' call. However, you're not allowed to use 18' by itself .

Generally as it gets bigger you use more of a range, because you get bomb sets and solid waves in between so you call them both as the range because even the smaller ones are significant. On smaller days you don't care about the in betweeners because only the sets are any good so it's more common to say it's 1' or 2' or 3' or 4'. It's only really when it gets bigger than that that you start using ranges. Or if you're unsure such as in the pictures that prompted the thread.

You might use a range if you're describing e.g. a whole day when the swell jumped, but that'd be part of the description too and would therefore emphasis how conditions changed.

To those that say it doesn't matter etc, it does if you're describing it to mates etc. E.g. if it's under 6' I'm going to treat it as fun, consequences not high. 6-8' is getting serious and I'd want to make sure I bring my A game and have a plan. 10' and it's very serious and you want to take things very carefully and have the right preparation and equipment. If someone told me it's 10' and they're talking some arbitrary face measurement system and I turn up fully psyched up with a gun, I'm going to be pretty annoyed when it's a playful 5' in reality.


If I was one of those dead case profilers that I sometimes see on US crime shows on TV I'd say that Legion is one of those fat, bald grumpy, know-it-all, over 50 mal riders that I come across surfing at over populated breaks that I paddle (very) wide past on my way to my own unpopulated break a km away.

Just a wild guess, probably wrong.

(Please don't take me the wrong way Legion. I know you are a person with feelings. I was just thinking out loud from a crime profilers perspective)

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
8 May 2010 12:09AM
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Maybe . I'm not over 50 or ride a mal, and there aren't any unpopulated breaks near where I surf so you're not entirely correct. Not bad though.

oliver
3952 posts
8 May 2010 12:12AM
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Legion said...

Maybe . I'm not over 50 or ride a mal, and there aren't any unpopulated breaks near where I surf so you're not entirely correct. Not bad though.


So what part did I get right?

Grumpy?
Bald?
Fat?
Know it all?
Over 40 maybe?

I think I'm close to cracking my first cold case.

Zimbo Reagan
WA, 469 posts
8 May 2010 12:20AM
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oliver said...

Legion said...

Maybe . I'm not over 50 or ride a mal, and there aren't any unpopulated breaks near where I surf so you're not entirely correct. Not bad though.


So what part did I get right?

Grumpy?
Bald?
Fat?
Know it all?
Over 40 maybe?

I think I'm close to cracking my first cold case.


Oliver dont you know the term is "portly" not fat (and be careful last I saw you weren't Mr Universe )

Kagey
569 posts
8 May 2010 7:33AM
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oliver said...

Legion said...

It's not that hard daletor. I've got no problems calling wave sizes in feet. Generally:

1' == waist high sets if you're lucky and you bend your knees
2' == waist to chest high
3' == head high
4' == OH
5' == almost 2 x HH
6' == around 2 x HH
6-8' == solid DOH sets
8-10' == TOH sets
10-12' == TOH - 4xOH

etc.

Don't need to paddle out to evaluate.

Or if you live around here, I'd also add:

3", 6", etc. for the more common days.


I think you are probably right with the imperial measurements - judging how similar topics have panned out previously on wave heights.

I think it's better to measure wave height in terms of how it relates to your body to non surfing aficionados. As you have demonstrated - it's easier for everybody to understand.

For example: If someone told me they were out in clean one foot waves, I'd think to myself that it would have been barely surfable and I'd think they were on a 20' board. But if they said it was waist high then I'd think that they had a pretty good session.

Kristy, to me, was out in slightly over head high waves. I think most of us commoners can understand that.


Oliver I like your description better too and although plenty of experienced surfers know 1ft= waist high I still reckon if you said 1ft they'd prob not bother going out....or question your understanding of 1 ft, so prob ask if you actually meant waist high lol!

Also loved your summing up of Legion...no offence Legion trying to insult you.

Oh and how can DOH be 6-8 if it's double OH so 2 x 4' surely DOH can only be 8'? otherwise it'd be one and a half midgets!!



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