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Created by laceys lane > 9 months ago, 9 Oct 2010
laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
10 Oct 2010 12:07AM
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hi, generally what would be the best rocker for a shortboard when you go back for surf on um once and a while-when still mainly surfing sups
cheers

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
10 Oct 2010 5:00PM
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Lacey thats a tough one mate really depends how you like to surf on both ya sup and ya shortie?
Well if you ride ya sup like your shortboard or at least try to as much as you can you should really just ride a normal shortie maybe something a little flater and wider than normal, and if you mainly sup you might find it easier to transition between the to, and not be shocked with how the shortie performs.
I no casso likes to mix it up with his fish and i guess thats pretty simliar to a sups surfing lines as than are normaly longer lines which we take .
So maybe something a little flater wider fishy style ?
Or Lacey do what i do and just 100% sup rain hail or shine
Hope anything ive said helps?
Dan

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
10 Oct 2010 5:07PM
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dtm said...

Lacey thats a tough one mate really depends how you like to surf on both ya sup and ya shortie?
Well if you ride ya sup like your shortboard or at least try to as much as you can you should really just ride a normal shortie maybe something a little flater and wider than normal, and if you mainly sup you might find it easier to transition between the to, and not be shocked with how the shortie performs.
I no casso likes to mix it up with his fish and i guess thats pretty simliar to a sups surfing lines as than are normaly longer lines which we take .
So maybe something a little flater wider fishy style ?
Or Lacey do what i do and just 100% sup rain hail or shine
Hope anything ive said helps?
Dan

thx's dan, i've done sup pretty much full time, but will do some shortboarding again.
the longer lines of fishy type boards makes sense to me, thats the thing with a normal shorty after sup- you feel like your going everywhere except forward.

i guess the trick is to keep mixing them up if you like to do both and not leave the shorty in he cupboard for months then decide to get on it and expect it to click.
doing both should compliment each other

i surfed coolie yesterday on the shortie hoping for a low key one, but had guys going- hey your on a shorboard or where's your paddle haha
cheers
ps surfing shortboards at crowded pointbreaks is a mugs game

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
10 Oct 2010 5:54PM
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laceys lane said...

ps surfing shortboards at crowded pointbreaks is a mugs game



And surfing a sup at a crowded pointbreak isn't ?

Casso
NSW, 3768 posts
10 Oct 2010 6:54PM
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Yeah - go no rocker Lacey. My 5'10" fish is like an ironing board and I don't have any problems transitioning between that and my SUPs. I almost can't ride my 6'4", full rockered, standard shorty anymore.

Casso
NSW, 3768 posts
10 Oct 2010 6:58PM
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Yeah - I'd rather surf a shortboard at a crowded pointbreak than a SUP - so you can sit right on the takeoff zone and swing around to catch one quickly without ending up on top of someone.

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
10 Oct 2010 7:27PM
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Unless it's a certain ledging point break at about 6-8 where the Sup is a massive advantage.

Funny, the most fun surf I have had on a Goldie Point was that one with you and Jacko and Lacey at currumbin last October (on SUPs).

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
10 Oct 2010 6:43PM
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billboard said...

laceys lane said...

ps surfing shortboards at crowded pointbreaks is a mugs game



And surfing a sup at a crowded pointbreak isn't ?


i find getting waves on a sup gm easy as pie, easier then the alley. got to say though snapper and rainbow was no place for a sup- crowded, cleanup sets, you would have taken out a few people. it was hard enough dodging as it was. it was a good just to be able to duck dive a set, relax and come up keep paddling. it wasn't the end of the world like it can be on a sup
cheers

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
10 Oct 2010 8:48PM
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Lacey said ,it was a good just to be able to duck dive a set, relax and come up keep paddling. it wasn't the end of the world like it can be on a sup

Oh how much i miss the duck dive....

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
10 Oct 2010 9:16PM
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Im with youse on that how nice would be to duck dive , its fun going over biggish waves when their just starting to feather though , went over a few bigger ones and free fell on the other side and managed to stay on the board and keep paddling.That was fun.

Im thinking of getting some type of handle i can hang on too the board with though.

Casso
NSW, 3768 posts
10 Oct 2010 11:16PM
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goatman said...

Unless it's a certain ledging point break at about 6-8 where the Sup is a massive advantage.

Only if you are king of first rock.

goatman said...

Funny, the most fun surf I have had on a Goldie Point was that one with you and Jacko and Lacey at currumbin last October (on SUPs).

That was a fun surf and we were all getting plenty of waves but it was very spread out and we weren't all sitting on a single takeoff spot.

I was thinking more of a SUP surf I had at Ti-Tree during the big swell of the last Festival. Lots of guys all sitting on that one spot out the back where it wedges off the rock. You couldn't sit (stand) with them because there wasn't enough room to spin around and take off. You would also get cleaned up by the big ones and end up VERY close to the rocks or worse. You could sit wide, where there was more space to get a turning run up at them but there would always be someone taking off deep and calling you off it. You could sit inside a bit and go the smaller ones but then you would get cleaned up by all the non-small ones (no duck-diving). You could sit out the back beyond everyone but that would piss everyone off because even if you waited your turn (somehow monitoring the queue without physically being in it) you had to paddle/surf through the pack just as you were taking off - scary for everyone.

I ended up sitting a bit wide and getting the odd massive bomb that everyone else was too deep for or the occasional smaller one that got left by the pack but which I had time to paddle in for (very quickly). I didn't get many however and it was very frustrating.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
10 Oct 2010 11:20PM
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Casso said...

goatman said...

Unless it's a certain ledging point break at about 6-8 where the Sup is a massive advantage.

Only if you are king of first rock.

goatman said...

Funny, the most fun surf I have had on a Goldie Point was that one with you and Jacko and Lacey at currumbin last October (on SUPs).

That was a fun surf and we were all getting plenty of waves but it was very spread out and we weren't all sitting on a single takeoff spot.

I was thinking more of a SUP surf I had at Ti-Tree during the big swell of the last Festival. Lots of guys all sitting on that one spot out the back where it wedges off the rock. You couldn't sit (stand) with them because there wasn't enough room to spin around and take off. You would also get cleaned up by the big ones and end up VERY close to the rocks or worse. You could sit wide, where there was more space to get a turning run up at them but there would always be someone taking off deep and calling you off it. You could sit inside a bit and go the smaller ones but then you would get cleaned up by all the non-small ones (no duck-diving). You could sit out the back beyond everyone but that would piss everyone off because even if you waited your turn (somehow monitoring the queue without physically being in it) you had to paddle/surf through the pack just as you were taking off - scary for everyone.

I ended up sitting a bit wide and getting the odd massive bomb that everyone else was too deep for or the occasional smaller one that got left by the pack but which I had time to paddle in for (very quickly). I didn't get many however and it was very frustrating.



haha, i've been doing the just sit wide enough to stay out of the cleanups and dart inside of the middies off the rock ,which generally are pretty good waves, and hope to hell i get it or no one else decides my pick wave looks good too. yeah, i've cop quite a few on the head
cheers

appsy
NSW, 198 posts
11 Oct 2010 12:28AM
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billboard said...

laceys lane said...

ps surfing shortboards at crowded pointbreaks is a mugs game



And surfing a sup at a crowded pointbreak isn't ?


Hahaha well said billboard. i would rather shortboard a smoking point break if its crowded rather then sup it. Don't care how good u are, performance level just isnt the same.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
11 Oct 2010 12:18AM
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appsy said...

billboard said...

laceys lane said...

ps surfing shortboards at crowded pointbreaks is a mugs game



And surfing a sup at a crowded pointbreak isn't ?


Hahaha well said billboard. i would rather shortboard a smoking point break if its crowded rather then sup it. Don't care how good u are, performance level just isnt the same.


true, if it's bitchin- no contest, but on a average normal point break day, i know as sure as hell i'm gonna get a s### load more waves on a sup and you can still get barrelled . i bumped into dh(dhd) after the sat surf. interestingly he said he grabbed the biggest widest thickest shortboard he could find and just rode the wave- not doing anything on um. he talked about having a different mind set on those really crowded type days, basically get wave and ride it as far as you can.
cheers

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
11 Oct 2010 8:17AM
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Yeah, true, crowded point breaks are generally a no go on a SUP. I was thinking of when it is massive and a lot of crew can't paddle into em on shorties cause they are under gunned. Certainly not a Goldy point break.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
11 Oct 2010 7:36AM
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Agree with posts above about the wider shorties fitting the transition easier. I guess riding such big boards so often teaches you to really apply your strength. Turning a bigger board doesnt seem to be a problem.... The flow you get on SUP you can also miss back on your shorty and a thicker, wider shorty seems to replace some of that.

I find in good waves I feel like I am wasting them on a SUP. Particularly in shorter sharper, faster, shallower conditions. Sure catching them is easier on SUP but as soon as you catch the wave I want rid of all of that board. The benefits of paddling and training is that catching waves on a shorty is no problem anymore. I have never paddled past people before!

We have had waves up until today with wild weather. My SUP hasn't been wet for a while! Riding both just lets you make sure you are on the best board for the day at all times..... I often take both in the car to the beach, quite a few times I have ran in and switched half way through a session if I thought I would have more fun on the other.

My advice is no more than 3 in a row on the stando and you slip straight back on to the shorty.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
11 Oct 2010 7:46AM
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CMC said...

Agree with posts above about the wider shorties fitting the transition easier. I guess riding such big boards so often teaches you to really apply your strength. Turning a bigger board doesnt seem to be a problem.... The flow you get on SUP you can also miss back on your shorty and a thicker, wider shorty seems to replace some of that.

I find in good waves I feel like I am wasting them on a SUP. Particularly in shorter sharper, faster, shallower conditions. Sure catching them is easier on SUP but as soon as you catch the wave I want rid of all of that board. The benefits of paddling and training is that catching waves on a shorty is no problem anymore. I have never paddled past people before!

We have had waves up until today with wild weather. My SUP hasn't been wet for a while! Riding both just lets you make sure you are on the best board for the day at all times..... I often take both in the car to the beach, quite a few times I have ran in and switched half way through a session if I thought I would have more fun on the other.

My advice is no more than 3 in a row on the stando and you slip straight back on to the shorty.


well put, thx's

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
11 Oct 2010 5:49PM
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CMC said...

I find in good waves I feel like I am wasting them on a SUP. Particularly in shorter sharper, faster, shallower conditions. Sure catching them is easier on SUP but as soon as you catch the wave I want rid of all of that board.


But what if your an obsessive nut who can only focus on one thing at a time

I take the line that you then try to get fitter to reduce the amount of 'SUP board' and try and ride it in everything. A narrow low volume SUP is amazing in a gnarly hollow reef break IMO - on ya forehand anyways. I haven't had so much fun surfing - ever!

hilly
WA, 7322 posts
11 Oct 2010 7:43PM
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dtm new question

What are your thoughts on Blanes hull rippers??

Looks like "up" rails

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
17 Oct 2010 9:10PM
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after a trading in a board and contra deal got myself a new generation sa mollusc. 5'11x 19 3/4 x 2 1/2. a very flat rocker. the board just flew for me straight away trying it out in small strong off shore, fast, closing out type of waves.
www6.basesurfboards.com/?tdfs=1&kw=Surfboards&showDomain=1

looks like a good outline for a sup
thanks for the imput everyone, probably wouldn't have picked this type of board with your help
cheers

loco4olas
NSW, 1516 posts
17 Oct 2010 11:08PM
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CMC said...

Agree with posts above about the wider shorties fitting the transition easier. I guess riding such big boards so often teaches you to really apply your strength. Turning a bigger board doesnt seem to be a problem.... The flow you get on SUP you can also miss back on your shorty and a thicker, wider shorty seems to replace some of that.

I find in good waves I feel like I am wasting them on a SUP. Particularly in shorter sharper, faster, shallower conditions. Sure catching them is easier on SUP but as soon as you catch the wave I want rid of all of that board. The benefits of paddling and training is that catching waves on a shorty is no problem anymore. I have never paddled past people before!

We have had waves up until today with wild weather. My SUP hasn't been wet for a while! Riding both just lets you make sure you are on the best board for the day at all times..... I often take both in the car to the beach, quite a few times I have ran in and switched half way through a session if I thought I would have more fun on the other.

My advice is no more than 3 in a row on the stando and you slip straight back on to the shorty.


Pretty much agree entirely. Actually haven' ridden a SUP for weeks-the waves have been too good.

loco4olas
NSW, 1516 posts
17 Oct 2010 11:10PM
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goatman said...
I haven't had so much fun surfing - ever!


Now that you're not sitting down any more?

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
18 Oct 2010 8:06AM
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Haven't 'sat down' for 13 years actually and even then it was sometimes 50/50

Matt if you rode one of these babies you might think a little differently.

loco4olas
NSW, 1516 posts
18 Oct 2010 12:56PM
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goatman said...

Haven't 'sat down' for 13 years actually and even then it was sometimes 50/50

Matt if you rode one of these babies you might think a little differently.


Yeah I definitely need something more 'high performance' than the 8'8" I've been riding-something maybe more like Casso's new board-just get frustrated surfing good waves on a SUP and not being able to put the board where I would if I was on a surfboard-really want a SUP that will get on its rail and not feel like so much board-particularity in sucky waves.

13 years? Really?

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
18 Oct 2010 1:38PM
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Yep, 13 years - 1997 was the last year I rode goaties. Been exclusively on shorties since and for the last 18 months SUP.

I'm hearing you on the 'not wanting so much board'. My newy is the first one to come close to that sort of feeling. Even being able to turn vertically up the face seems to be a possibility finally - shame I am so damn old[}:)]

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
18 Oct 2010 3:40PM
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Hilly not really a good look for me to coment on other peoples shapes or designs thats totally there ideas and deal and im sure they have reasons for all there shapes designs etc, i have my own designs and ideas which i feel work for me and that is my focus at the moment.
Sorry maybe over a few beers one day i would spill more?

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
18 Oct 2010 2:42PM
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goatman said...

Yep, 13 years - 1997 was the last year I rode goaties. Been exclusively on shorties since and for the last 18 months SUP.

I'm hearing you on the 'not wanting so much board'. My newy is the first one to come close to that sort of feeling. Even being able to turn vertically up the face seems to be a possibility finally - shame I am so damn old[}:)]


does that mean we can call you an 'old goat'

tell ya what, my 8'6 stepper felt real good after a sb session, definately will be mixing the two
cheers



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