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racing sup,s

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Created by teatrea > 9 months ago, 24 Apr 2008
teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
24 Apr 2008 10:12AM
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Has any body had a go on one of the racing sup,s like the c4 vortice or similar,just wanted to get an idea on how they would paddle compared to a normall 11 12 ft sup.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
24 Apr 2008 10:41AM
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I would love to try the C4 Vortice..or the Jimmy Lewis Distance..and even the new Starboard 14' 8" Point to point board..

This thing looks fast standing still..See pic.

I don't think any of these boards have made it down under yet.

DJ

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
24 Apr 2008 11:36AM
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they look like they would fly , my 11.6 is o.k for distance but i wouldnt say it was fast.I could see myself having a large quiver just have to find the way of getting the doh!

PonoBill
87 posts
24 Apr 2008 9:43AM
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I've tried the Vortice, the F16, the F18, and the JL Distance at the Ke Nalu board showcase (kenalu.com/ ). No question that they are all fast, the F16 was my favorite. the JL Distance is pretty cool, and the price is right. all the rest are pretty spendy.

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
24 Apr 2008 2:48PM
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I tried the Starboard 14'6 (ish) on Maui - had a speed race with John Hibbard to compare with the 12'6 for relative speed - it wasnt alot faster (we also swapped boards to validate the test) - definitely a small marginal increase in speed (and i mean small) for total sacrifice of surfing and ease ease of transport.

However this test was done in glass. I suspect in a following sea the 14'6 would pick up runs easier and run for longer - i think that is where you will see the speed advantage.

The 14'6 was a lot less stable.

The foot steering system on the 14'6 is cool - you can paddle on one side and compensate the offset with some use of the foot operated "steering wheel".

Looks like at this point these long racers are pretty specialised boards - i would encourage most people to stick with a Starboard (or similar - check the rocker - bent dont glide) 12'6 or 12'0 if they want glide, speed AND to be able to surf. I would say only the dedicated racer would go for one of these longer models - for the majority of the market - the 12'6 - 11'2 sizes have you covered.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
24 Apr 2008 5:13PM
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cheers thanks for the advice , i do want to get into racing but also want a board to go crusing on.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
25 Apr 2008 9:58AM
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JohnDavid said...


DJ, how do you post pics on to the forum?






John...I'll start another thread about how to post a pic because others might also like to know.

DJ

NewcastleSUP
NSW, 250 posts
4 Jun 2008 9:19PM
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Australian made DC16 boards came 1st & 2nd in the Honolua Ocean Race beating home the more fancied imported variety. Rudder system similar to F16



oliver
3952 posts
4 Jun 2008 7:33PM
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Yep they look fast and quite thin. Can you let us know some more of the specs and explain the rudder system?

That dongle thing at the back must have something to do with it

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
5 Jun 2008 1:13AM
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Welcome to the forum NewcastleSUP.

All I have to say is..Wow!!..Nice looking boards..and congrats on the race results.

BTW..What does DC stand for?..What's the construction?..and any pics of them in action?

DJ

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
5 Jun 2008 7:31AM
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DC= Dale Chapman
They did look quite fast but to be fair the next 2 stand ups that finished the race were on 11,6 boards, i'm pretty sure. I think a lot has to do with the engine that's powering the boards there was a a couple of vortex boards and a couple of other 16footers that finished way back. Its all about paddling fast enough to stay on the runners as soon as you drop of that pace you won't get them.
Paul

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
5 Jun 2008 9:35AM
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i would agree anjie i rode an 11.6 and come in with a guy riding a vortice and another riding another large board , once we hit the calm water though they just blew me away.I had a real battle to stay standing on my board in that race side chop seemed to grab the rail and just flip me off.Their was an article in the loccal rag the other day about a race coming up in October in moreton bay arounf russel island i think. should be good fun.Any one know when the Naish distance board will be out.

Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
5 Jun 2008 9:35AM
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Yer they are fast boards, They aren't the actual boards that won the race but are pretty much the same. I was on a 12ft Infront stand up and i beat both the guys on the C4 Vortices and came just behind another guy on a DC16.
It was pretty rough conditions but thats wat made it so fun

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
5 Jun 2008 9:41AM
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i didnt know infront made stand up boards , i might have to look at them for my next board , what did you think about it!

Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
5 Jun 2008 9:45AM
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teatrea said...

i didnt know infront made stand up boards , i might have to look at them for my next board , what did you think about it!


Yer i thought i was great, it was the first time i used it and it was so fast.
I think they only made stand ups for racing. Just my guess cuz i havent seen a infront board being surfed before.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
5 Jun 2008 10:33AM
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I think we need a pic posted of this infront board...thank you..

DJ

ChrisMcC
NSW, 667 posts
5 Jun 2008 10:45AM
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DJ ...... check the Stand Up section in the Photo Gallery. Ben Dover is carrying the board down on his shoulder ... it's the big orange one

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
5 Jun 2008 11:27AM
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Found it..Thanks...Nice paddling technique Bd......and jeeez..It looks like it was tough conditions..

DJ





ChrisMcC
NSW, 667 posts
5 Jun 2008 1:58PM
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For the guys and gals that competed ... they got 25 - 30 knots of south east / east wind .... getting out at Snapper swell was 4 - 6ft on an approaching low tide ..... absolutely huge sweep to the north which pretty much dragged everyone at least 500 metres down from the start line .... of the 70 odd starters 11 didn't even make it out through the break at Snapper without breaking equipment (total carnage) ...... then there was the paddle itself and getting in at one very sketchy Alley break .... saw one poor bugger come in at the Alley with his SUP but no paddle (lost it when he got massacred coming in), but it seems all that went had a fantastic time.

Koka
14 posts
5 Jun 2008 12:39PM
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I agree with Ange,

As with all paddle sports the engine is the most important. I paddled the Vortice on the weekend, got some good runs but also had some shockers- falling etc.

The wave I got after the turn in bouy was killer, 6 + foot all the way to the beach. trying to hold on to 14 foot of board was a challenge, but fun.

Well done to all that paddled out to the start, and finished.


Regards,

Koka

NewcastleSUP
NSW, 250 posts
5 Jun 2008 7:06PM
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koka waterman we want to see the xp's!!!!
You are right, the engine is the main drive and we know that both them are at full speed all the time!
The red board is mine and unfortunately was not ready for the race...had no rudder system and did not want to damage it paddling out at $napper. Had to borrow a 12ft'r and time i got out was down past greenmount so just kept on paddling. Leaders caught me at the desal. rig and I was just behind the F16 at the finish. Good paddle and had fun!

heard next year will be a beach start.

DavidJohn, boards are 16ft x 27 3/4" wide, not sure about the thickness. They look thinner than what they are due to the angle of the pic.

alls good


paddle race at manly this weekend, limited to 12ft boards only. race is 3km sprint

Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
5 Jun 2008 7:39PM
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Wat colour and wat board did u end up using in the race NewcastleSUP?

NewcastleSUP
NSW, 250 posts
5 Jun 2008 9:52PM
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I rode a virgin DC12 which is the blue board in the pic above with the C4 waterman 14ft Vortice and the C4 12ft holoholo. Thinking back i should've claimed 3rd spot in the stock but too honest....pity about the honesty of those who used a jetski to get them out thru snapper........

alls good

lagoongarage
58 posts
22 Jun 2008 11:02AM
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Bonjour from New Caledonia.

May be a good model from Joe Bark

"Stand Up Paddleboard Class
Stand Up Mid Model


The BARK Stand Up Mid is the 'practical' distance and race board. Light and responsive, this downwind and flat water model is suited to novice and expert paddlers alike. Sleek, stable and quick, with a width of 26 to 30 inches and length of 14 to 16 feet, the Mid is Joe's most popular Stand Up board. A rudder and tiller set-up are optional. Like all BARK boards, this can be ordered in full or partial carbon fiber. "
www.barkocean.com/boards

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
22 Jun 2008 7:24PM
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Hi lagoongarage and welcome to the Breeze....Can you tell me if Robert Teritehau is into SUP now.?

That sure is a nice looking board...and the 12'er looks pretty good also..(see my pic below)

We're still waiting for JB to fill us in on the new 12' Naish distance board.

Did any of you WA guys talk to JB about it?

DJ

ww1.barkocean.com

lagoongarage
58 posts
22 Jun 2008 6:05PM
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Hi DJ,
Robert is much more in Hawaii than in New Caledonia.
I've just readed he is riding for Starboard, so...

DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
22 Jun 2008 8:24PM
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Thanks.

New Caledonia must be a great place for stand up paddling...Please post some pics if you can.

Just wondering..Are you from New Caledonia or France.?

You will have to let us know what those Joe Bark boards are like if you get to try one..

DJ

lagoongarage
58 posts
23 Jun 2008 10:38AM
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I'm from New Caledonia but I had chosen France to valid my register.
Noumea has got one of the world largest lagoons and must be a great place for distance SUP.
This activity is not yet developed. There are only two retailers for sup boards (bic and starboard).I've contacted the starboard importer for the Point board and I'm still waiting for an answer.

Some pics in the futur

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
23 Jun 2008 2:09PM
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Hey guys, looks like there is a bit of interest in the Ocean going boards!
This is another branch of this sport which is going to have its own cult following. If you are addicted to SUPaddle surfing then this takes it to a whole new level.

For those in Sydney there is a 16' Laguna Bay Penetrator for Demo.
http://www.balmoralboards.com.au/templates/bal/page/page_standard.php?secID=352

This is the board that Woogee won the Noosa 22k SUP Marathon on, by about 9 mins!



They have less rocker than the Vortice and are very fast (and tippy) and are happy picking up ocean going swells.

Every time we take it out to do some distance we end up playing in the waves.
YOu can surf it quite easily in small waves - just don't expect any cutbacks
I can see myself taking it out to secluded point breaks on smaller days - its an absolute hoot!

Laguna Bay Penetrator. 16' x 26". RR $3000. S glass Epoxy with Carbon frame rails.


Chris DeB playing on the Penetrator in Noosa

Andrew Allen

Waterloo
QLD, 1496 posts
24 Jun 2008 9:59PM
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As the racing scene is growing do we have an open class and a 12'6'' class?

If so, do the smaller distance boards really catch ocean/bay swells or is that just for the specialist 14-16 footers?

I would be interested in peoples opinions on boards in this 12'6'' range.

I currently have a Mistral Pacifico 11'4'' and *board 9'8'' fish as windsurfing/SUP crossover boards and are both fantastic for their intended purpose but am interested in some dedicated speed.

Mike


Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
25 Jun 2008 10:48AM
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Waterloo said...

As the racing scene is growing do we have an open class and a 12'6'' class?

If so, do the smaller distance boards really catch ocean/bay swells or is that just for the specialist 14-16 footers?

I would be interested in peoples opinions on boards in this 12'6'' range.

I currently have a Mistral Pacifico 11'4'' and *board 9'8'' fish as windsurfing/SUP crossover boards and are both fantastic for their intended purpose but am interested in some dedicated speed.

Mike





In most races its 12 ft and under and then a Open Class.

I raced a 12ft in the Honolua Stand Up race and u can pick up runners the whole time.

Even on the Naish 11'6 u can.

In a local surf mag Gold Coast Surf Dale Chapman talks about on runners his boards get up to 17km/h



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