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Surf Etiquette. Who's job to teach?

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Created by jbshack > 9 months ago, 28 Feb 2013
crustt
VIC, 190 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:26PM
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bakesy said...
It's not the learner surfer that's the issue, I live in a place that is reasonably localised. I go to one place more than others and don't consider it to be mine or that I have any more right than anyone who lives in WA, different story if you're a tourist.


That's what I find interesting about reading posts on seabreeze, it's a way different world, where I live the tourist would get his fair share of waves as we all like to travel and there just passing through so why not show them the hospitality we have been shown whilst traveling. But then if there from Melbourne or Torquay, they get nothing cause they'll be back next week with more of there mates and try and take over. Every state is definatly a differnt culture, much the same basic rule though.

Indodreaming
379 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:12PM
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Sometimes its hard to pick a local.

Was surfing a well known SW spot once with a reasonable crowd. A couple of guys acted like and looked like crusty old locals. Kept coming back to the inside.

I gave them respect and didnt push them for the set waves.

At the end I talked to one and he let it slip him and his mate were from Rockingham and were blow ins like me.

Talking about wanting to kick myself as I had been way to nice.



beastsurf
WA, 902 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:35PM
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I watched my daughter look at a bloke on the inside of her as she promptly paddled in and droped in on him. The lesson learned was for me. I appoligised on her behalf and after the surf we all had a little reminder of the rules. I find myself concentrating on showing them how to surf finding them waves and making sure they hold onto their boards. As they improve the rules and etiquette have to come in. I supose we all have a role to play. I surf the same spots all the time. Never considered myself a local.

Mark _australia
WA, 22247 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:06PM
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I am learning and some of this is bewildering.

First thing is I can't believe noobs would fk it up for others. I stay in the sh!t and pick up the whitewater on my mal just to get standing up and learn that before I paddle onto green waves, and even then away from everyone else. Dunno why anyone would do different but anyway...

Next thing that I don't get is that sign. All makes sense bar number 2 - right of way. It says the outside person has ROW, then it says the one on the inside has ROW? Huh?
Then Beastsurf seems to say that his gal should not have picked up a wave that a dude on the inside was going for. Doesn't first on it have ROW so if she paddled onto it out the back all those peeps inside have to leave her to it??

beastsurf
WA, 902 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:19PM
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Sorry man but the dude she dropped in on was up and riding. It was only a small wave and it was at the end of his ride. It was blaytent but the dude was cool. My daughter is only ten. It did make me realise that it is my responsability to teach her.

Mark _australia
WA, 22247 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:32PM
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Sorry I assumed if he was inside then he was not up yet. Cool.
I am a bit slow... learning to surf at 39 should indicate that anyway lol

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:43PM
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quirkus said...
Not exactly smashin the lip,, but stoked anyway to be surfing 250mtr very soft 5-6ft (?) lefthanders with about 7 crew !!




That's 3' quirky.

quirkus
WA, 322 posts
2 Apr 2013 8:34AM
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Legion said...
quirkus said...
Not exactly smashin the lip,, but stoked anyway to be surfing 250mtr very soft 5-6ft (?) lefthanders with about 7 crew !!




That's 3' quirky.


Yeah ,,, OK ,, maybe,, perhaps,,, I'll take that on board. . Maybe I got confused with the bigger sets I was dodging !!
And that's another thread too, . Some sites measure by swell size. And others trough to peak. Certainly sets were 8ft trough to peak, even if they were big and slow.
Still, I'm not about to start measuring dicks, it was big enough for me to mess around on..

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Apr 2013 11:24AM
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Nice little wave Quirkus

This is dick high





doggie
WA, 15849 posts
2 Apr 2013 12:56PM
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^^ Ive seen that bloke before

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
2 Apr 2013 2:35PM
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quirkus said...
Legion said...
That's 3' quirky.


Yeah ,,, OK ,, maybe,, perhaps,,, I'll take that on board.


No confusion involved. Look at the world tour. The same system was in effect during the call at Snapper, Margs, Bells. I'll put money on it being used in Fiji, Indo, Tahiti and Hawaii. Probably Europe too. On the other hand, you'll definitely see the "peak to trough" method used at Trestles and probably Brazil.

quirkus
WA, 322 posts
2 Apr 2013 4:47PM
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Mark _australia said...
Sorry I assumed if he was inside then he was not up yet. Cool.
I am a bit slow... learning to surf at 39 should indicate that anyway lol


Try it at 55 !

quirkus
WA, 322 posts
2 Apr 2013 4:51PM
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Legion said...
quirkus said...
Legion said...
That's 3' quirky.


Yeah ,,, OK ,, maybe,, perhaps,,, I'll take that on board.


No confusion involved. Look at the world tour. The same system was in effect during the call at Snapper, Margs, Bells. I'll put money on it being used in Fiji, Indo, Tahiti and Hawaii. Probably Europe too. On the other hand, you'll definitely see the "peak to trough" method used at Trestles and probably Brazil.


yeah,,, ok,, it was fairly deep,, and a 3ft swell is gonna end up different with different beach/reef conditions etc anyway.. suffice to say it was enough for me.. I'd rather that though, than 2ft smashing me on a 1ft deep bank at scarbs..

byf
WA, 512 posts
2 Apr 2013 4:59PM
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I would be stoked to get a few like that quirkus. Keep it up mate.

quirkus
WA, 322 posts
2 Apr 2013 5:14PM
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Legion said...
quirkus said...
Legion said...
That's 3' quirky.


Yeah ,,, OK ,, maybe,, perhaps,,, I'll take that on board.


No confusion involved. Look at the world tour. The same system was in effect during the call at Snapper, Margs, Bells. I'll put money on it being used in Fiji, Indo, Tahiti and Hawaii. Probably Europe too. On the other hand, you'll definitely see the "peak to trough" method used at Trestles and probably Brazil.




OK,,, 3ft ? ,, or waist high??
This was an indo mate, Rudi, same sessions. And to keep on thread, his etiquette is better than most westies, flapping around on the inside runners, when he comes to Perth. ... you may have seen him..


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jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Apr 2013 5:16PM
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byf said...
I would be stoked to get a few like that quirkus. Keep it up mate.


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quirkus
WA, 322 posts
2 Apr 2013 5:20PM
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jbshack said...
byf said...
I would be stoked to get a few like that quirkus. Keep it up mate.


+1


Thanks mate,, and I do my best to stay out of the way.!!

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Apr 2013 5:39PM
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quirkus said...
jbshack said...
byf said...
I would be stoked to get a few like that quirkus. Keep it up mate.


+1


Thanks mate,, and I do my best to stay out of the way.!!


Staying out of the way is important but in my opinion if you can stand then you deserve the rotation of waves just like the guys who pulls airs.. Loads of spots have a surfer or two that think because they are better then everyone else they get the pick of the waves. I personally will often let them be like that (which i guess it just making the problem worse) but i still will jump in and take a wave if I'm position. Often when you do this the others will start to share a bit more..

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
2 Apr 2013 9:03PM
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quirkus said...
OK,,, 3ft ? ,, or waist high?


3' is head high. Your mate is on a 4'er.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
2 Apr 2013 9:19PM
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jbshack said...
Staying out of the way is important but in my opinion if you can stand then you deserve the rotation of waves just like the guys who pulls airs..

Doesn't work like that. Take Pt. Packed for example: if you paddled out at 6am on a half decent day you might get a set wave by mid afternoon if you were lucky if everyone was equal. At my local am I going to share with a bunch of blow-ins and backpackers? At thommo's local I'd consider myself lucky to get a set wave within a month, surfing everyday. At a place I've been surfing very regularly (50+ days/year) for many, many years if the right people are out I consider it a privilege to be in the prime rotation and I won't say a word (nor should I) if they pull priority.


TimKay
752 posts
3 Apr 2013 8:16AM
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What about if the kooks want to sit way out on the shoulder and you want to take off deeper to get barreled
Does that mean you have to drift in the channel until they butcher a couple of smokers
Even though you have grown up at a place and they have just arrived and are still relatively learners
Your reasoning sounds good in a perfect world JB but not in reality

Sham1984
VIC, 415 posts
3 Apr 2013 11:49AM
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TimKay said...
What about if the kooks want to sit way out on the shoulder and you want to take off deeper to get barreled
Does that mean you have to drift in the channel until they butcher a couple of smokers
Even though you have grown up at a place and they have just arrived and are still relatively learners
Your reasoning sounds good in a perfect world JB but not in reality



as a learner sitting on the shoulder.. you get the crumbs.. thats just a fact.

I used to get heaps of waves while learning on the shoulder without dropping in on anyone.. you just dont get the pick of the litter.. forever thankful for people falling on their first turn!

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
3 Apr 2013 10:21AM
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TimKay said...
What about if the kooks want to sit way out on the shoulder and you want to take off deeper to get barreled
Does that mean you have to drift in the channel until they butcher a couple of smokers
Even though you have grown up at a place and they have just arrived and are still relatively learners
Your reasoning sounds good in a perfect world JB but not in reality


Yeah i am not talking about guys taking off and going over the falls. But i think if you can jump to your feet and run along the wave then you get into the rotation. Stuff up twice and you tend to get booted back out..

Ive had a few sessions were the guy who is best on the day thinks he should take every single wave. Dropping in as well as sitting on the inside. I find i just sit deeper and he will start to rotate again and i then find the whole spot will mellow and everyone enjoys themself more. See if the best guy is dropping in on everyone i find that sets the tone for everyone and everyone drops in and no one gets a wave.. Maybe its just more indicative of the smaller spots i surf

quirkus
WA, 322 posts
3 Apr 2013 4:11PM
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I just find its worse at my 'local' spots, than I've found with the infamous brazilnuts or locals in Bali...
thats scarey
,,, and if there hasn't been a wave for a week or two , and a 2ft swell comes in , every deperado shredder in the state comes out.. its pretty sad.



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