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Advertising your business on you sail's

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Created by lee1972 > 9 months ago, 6 Apr 2012
lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
6 Apr 2012 8:36PM
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Just in the process of starting my own electrical & air conditioning Company. Starting from humble beginnings, I'm trying to think of unique ways of advertising.
Has anyone tried putting stickers on their sails or other gear, does it work? Has anyone got any cheap but effective ways of getting work? Anyone need a sparky??

Would love some input, enjoy Easter!

dantren
QLD, 301 posts
6 Apr 2012 9:21PM
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What part of the world are you in Lee?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Apr 2012 9:40PM
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Check the recent thread out about advertising. Hot Sails Maui appear to be able to stitch together sails with advertising built in. I think it's a great way to advertise your business plus it will make windsurfing equipment tax deductible.

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
6 Apr 2012 10:25PM
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Dan, im in Brissy.

mkseven
QLD, 2314 posts
7 Apr 2012 12:20AM
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Hi Lee, I use sparky's to run cable. If you interested send me a pm.

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
7 Apr 2012 7:51AM
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Have done, thanks .

mkseven said...

Hi Lee, I use sparky's to run cable. If you interested send me a pm.


jamesf
NSW, 992 posts
7 Apr 2012 9:13AM
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Lee, i have been told that you just need to put advertising stickers on your sails and buy them through the business, then they can be tax deductible. Might be worth checking with your accountant though.

Not sure if it will get you much work, but it can cut the cost of new gear.

Good luck with the business!

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
7 Apr 2012 10:02AM
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and then you can pay yourself or a mate the go windsurfing,,, yeah right... the sticker or the cost of the printing is a deduction not the sail... and even then its a bit dodgy ...

WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
7 Apr 2012 10:05AM
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jamesf said...

Lee, i have been told that you just need to put advertising stickers on your sails and buy them through the business, then they can be tax deductible. Might be worth checking with your accountant though.

Not sure if it will get you much work, but it can cut the cost of new gear.

Good luck with the business!


You'll need to be registered with a club or association that competes/races
*You don't need to compete just pay your fees (which are also tax deductible and the bonus is the insurance coverage the association provides while on the water)

It is 100% tax deductible but just remember that does not mean free gear... you still have to part with the cash before you can claim it back

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
7 Apr 2012 10:17AM
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when i asked my accountant this she laughed.., but good luck to ya..

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
7 Apr 2012 10:24AM
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you could buy gear through your self managed super fund, as an " investment " though. . just don't tell them how bad an investment it is..

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
7 Apr 2012 12:59PM
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Well if i dont get any work from it at least the stickers will cover holes in my sails!

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:21PM
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lee1972 said...

Just in the process of starting my own electrical & air conditioning Company. Starting from humble beginnings, I'm trying to think of unique ways of advertising.
Has anyone tried putting stickers on their sails or other gear, does it work? Has anyone got any cheap but effective ways of getting work? Anyone need a sparky??

Would love some input, enjoy Easter!



Hi Lee, exiting news! Good luckwith it!

WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
7 Apr 2012 10:16PM
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r2908 said...

when i asked my accountant this she laughed.., but good luck to ya..


I bet she also laughs about how much you pay her and what she is actually doing !
Get a new accountant
Had no problems for 4 years straight and my accountant is as straight as they come

jamesf
NSW, 992 posts
8 Apr 2012 9:16AM
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WindWarrior said...

jamesf said...

Lee, i have been told that you just need to put advertising stickers on your sails and buy them through the business, then they can be tax deductible. Might be worth checking with your accountant though.

Not sure if it will get you much work, but it can cut the cost of new gear.

Good luck with the business!


You'll need to be registered with a club or association that competes/races
*You don't need to compete just pay your fees (which are also tax deductible and the bonus is the insurance coverage the association provides while on the water)

It is 100% tax deductible but just remember that does not mean free gear... you still have to part with the cash before you can claim it back



Thanks kev, I forgot that part. Another good reason to be part of your local club!

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
8 Apr 2012 10:43AM
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I have literally just last week ordered advertising stickers for my business to go on my sails as a result of the earlier thread about this. My info is the same as what Kev said so all my future windsurfing purchases will be made using my work credit card. I run a promotional merchandise business and have my back window of my car decalled up too so fingers crossed if I only catch 1 persons interest and job then it is objective achieved.
Lee I went and got unvarnished vinyl as varnished would have been twice the price and not nescessarily any better.
I'll let you know how they last.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
8 Apr 2012 10:54AM
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WindWarrior said...

r2908 said...

when i asked my accountant this she laughed.., but good luck to ya..


I bet she also laughs about how much you pay her and what she is actually doing !
Get a new accountant
Had no problems for 4 years straight and my accountant is as straight as they come


+1 Definitely get a new accountant.

My business owns a lot promotional WS gear and I borrow it from time to time...

I've seen one the custom Hot Sails Maui sails with the owners business logo built into the design of the sail, it's looks great. Will have to track down a photo.

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
8 Apr 2012 11:39AM
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This might be what you are after
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Putting-Logos-or-graphics-on-ur-kite/

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
8 Apr 2012 11:50AM
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This is what Hot Sails Maui can do. Looks good.



Accountants...... well what about all the advertising seen on sailing boats? I bet the sail racing industry would fall on its arse if the ATO decided the costs of advertising on sails could not be deducted against any income related to that advertising.

Would the GPS Teams Challenge count as organised competition?

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
8 Apr 2012 3:50PM
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believe me i pay her loads of money.. so if you have a non sailing company you can deduct WS gear from your tax, if you joint a club that competes . . as advertising.. far out .. thats a cracker !!! . new gear here i come

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
8 Apr 2012 7:22PM
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r2908 said...

believe me i pay her loads of money.. so if you have a non sailing company you can deduct WS gear from your tax, if you joint a club that competes . . as advertising.. far out .. thats a cracker !!! . new gear here i come


Dont call it a Windsurf sail, call it an advertising sail, lots of people have them in front of their businesses. WS shops can be quite flexible with their invoices!

I bought a 100% carbon mast for my advertising sail recently and mast base so it would sit up nice and straight, just to make sure everyone could see the signage...

gazza
WA, 647 posts
9 Apr 2012 12:43PM
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You can also say your sponsoring a local hotshot and buying him his gear in return for him advertising you name on the equipment, the same way as you can sponsor a local footy team and supplying the clothes with your name on it.
Then just claim it as advertising

Then it just happens that he always has to leave the stuff a your house as he has nowhere to store it.

I wouldn't even bother about the stickers

i cant see the tax man at you local beach with his socks and shoes off looking for a sail with your name on it just cause your claiming a couple of grand for advertising

i dont think the tax man watches every grand prix just to make sure he can see all the stickers on the helmet and cars

theres no law on how you choose to advertise

Just keep your receipts to prove what you spend

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
9 Apr 2012 10:47PM
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gazza said...


I wouldn't even bother about the stickers





You don't sound like you own your own business then Gazza. Personally I want to attract as much attention to mine as possible. My stickers will be on BOTH sides of my sails!

WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
9 Apr 2012 11:06PM
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r2908 said...

believe me i pay her loads of money..


Yeah that was my point

PhotoSails
2 posts
14 Apr 2012 2:02AM
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Get paid to sail your boat or windsurfer...

www.photosails.com







da vecta
QLD, 2512 posts
14 Apr 2012 4:41PM
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That would be so distracting!

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
14 Apr 2012 5:10PM
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da vecta said...

That would be so distracting!


and dangerous... I dont see much visibility through that sail.

gazza
WA, 647 posts
16 Apr 2012 6:14PM
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sick_em_rex said...

gazza said...


I wouldn't even bother about the stickers





You don't sound like you own your own business then Gazza. Personally I want to attract as much attention to mine as possible. My stickers will be on BOTH sides of my sails!


Thats quite funny, ive been working for myself and have employed a couple of guys for the last 13 years.
Haven't needed to advertise in the last 11 years, i suppose its one of the other joys of living in the boom state.

Plus daddy always told me not to mix work with pleasure, i go to the beach to forget work not to find it.

But i do love a good tax scam!!!!!

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PhotoSails
2 posts
17 Apr 2012 4:02AM
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Plus daddy always told me not to mix work with pleasure, i go to the beach to forget work not to find it.

When you get paid to enjoy your hobby, WORK is a four letter word.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
17 Apr 2012 10:02AM
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I'm with Gazza...although the idea of subsidising the cost of some kit through my business sounds very tempting, I rely on word-of-mouth mainly & honestly...my brain is constantly thinking of work (which I do enjoy as a career), hitting the water switches my brain off work & into reset mode.

If I looked up & saw my logo/details on my sail every few minutes, I doubt I'd enjoy it as much & would probably be constantly going through client's jobs/bills/deadlines etc.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
17 Apr 2012 8:49AM
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WindWarrior said...

r2908 said...

when i asked my accountant this she laughed.., but good luck to ya..


I bet she also laughs about how much you pay her and what she is actually doing !
Get a new accountant
Had no problems for 4 years straight and my accountant is as straight as they come



ah... but the proof is in the audit. Your account might think it's ok. It's the tax auditor that will have the last say.

BTW, if you run this through a business all it really equates to is a 30% saving.



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