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Can you do the Dale Cook jump?

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Created by flipper4444 > 9 months ago, 27 Aug 2010
flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
28 Aug 2010 1:19AM
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KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
28 Aug 2010 7:14AM
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They are some good jumps !!

albers
NSW, 1737 posts
28 Aug 2010 10:09AM
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Big guy with a big sail (especially for 30knots).

The big sail gives lots of lift and floatation in the air.

Lots of strength to hold position and float downwind through each jump.

A very strong windsurfer!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
28 Aug 2010 11:45AM
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OK, next time I go for a windsurf, I am going to sail my 6.6 cam sail in 30 knots, and see if I can get some air like mr. cook

In a video he was saying two things that make him really fly are:

real flat rocker: He sails with a roberts custom built slalom board

A power wave sail: He sails with a sail called the Hucker, that has alot of low down power.

So the board gives him a fast take off and the sail gives him the lift.

Dale was saying on one of the sailworks vids as well, that the boards today have to much rocker and the sails are to flat, so it makes it alot harder to get huge air and hang time.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7965 posts
28 Aug 2010 11:47AM
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flipper4444 said...

OK, next time I go for a windsurf, I am going to sail my 6.6 cam sail in 30 knots, and see if i can get some air like mr. cook

In a video he once said two things make him fly:

real flat rocker: He sails with a roberts custom built slalom board

A power wave sail: He sails with a sail called the Hucker that has alot of low down power.

So the board gives him a fast take off and the sail gives him the lift.

Dale was saying on one of the sailworks vids that the boards today have to much rocker and the sails are to flat, so it makes it alot harder to get huge air and hang time.


Im going to go out with a smaller sail in 30-40kts next time then i may have the energy and be standing upright enough to try a jump!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
28 Aug 2010 12:05PM
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h20
VIC, 456 posts
29 Aug 2010 10:39AM
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This guy is apparently a gorge legend. This vis was posted last year. He can fly and has great on flight control.

dave.h
WA, 193 posts
29 Aug 2010 2:33PM
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I remember sometime back in the mid to late 90's there was a tall skinny dude with a beard that sailed a windtech board ( I think it was from memory), and he would quite often on very windy days on the swan river at pelli point be boosting air not far of the same as in the vids. It stuck in my memory bank for sure. you dont see to many sailors jump like that. don't know who he was though.
can any perth boy's add to that.
I think rider5 might know him as he possibly made a custom board(bjuce) for him I think. one with a calidescope or dimond graphics on it. if it's the same bloke im thinking off.

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
29 Aug 2010 9:19PM
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The only tall skinny bloke I know that it could be is Dan?

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
30 Aug 2010 12:33AM
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I wonder how much weight matters for that kind of height+control...

Let's face it: I've had even better conditions than this guy, for nowhere near the same height. I'm also surprised at the amount of downwind he's getting whilst in the air, I suspect this is because he's jumping on a wind chop, and not square off a wave.

Great jumps, great control.

The guy in Perth in the 90s "skinny, custom, high jumps": one Jon J. the south-african guy with a funny accent ?

KMAN5000
NSW, 126 posts
30 Aug 2010 2:58PM
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The wind there funnels in and helps with sailors getting "extra" height.
I remeber seeing a Mag article in the 90's where robby was promoing his new gear, the wind picked up, and he grab the display rig and went out and popped some 15-20ft airs like dale of stock gear which he sold after he sailed back....

Heres a clip of some hardcore ppl doin what dale's doin in the late 80's (circa pre 87)...



Again, nothing special about the gear, and if you took this gear out on a wave, I don't reckon ppl were getting that kind of lift....

Well then i may be wrong......seems KC-21 = sailmaker Bruce Peterson - founder of gorge based sail company sailworks..... lots of years of R&D with sails at that place then ....


Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
30 Aug 2010 3:37PM
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Seen this one posted here before...but worth another look!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
30 Aug 2010 6:46PM
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Dale cook was saying that the older gear is better for jumping, cause the older fiber glass wave boards had alot less rocker and were more narrow, so they were faster. And the myler sails had alot more shape than todays sails, wich created more lift. So that's why they designed and built the Hucker

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
30 Aug 2010 8:18PM
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He's really moving on the water, too...a lot of the other folks look like they are sailing in survival mode, or just chugging along, but he's flat-out blasting.

...wicked!!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
30 Aug 2010 8:31PM
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G, he must be good at swimming to his rig, he is allways looseing his rigin the videos

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
30 Aug 2010 8:48PM
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flipper4444 said...

G, he must be good at swimming to his rig, he is allways looseing his rigin the videos


They show the same wipeout 3 times...wakey wakey, son

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
31 Aug 2010 1:34AM
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Wet Willy said...

flipper4444 said...

G, he must be good at swimming to his rig, he is allways looseing his rigin the videos


They show the same wipeout 3 times...wakey wakey, son


nar he has lost his rig on the second vid at the end son, your getting cheeky willy keep it real hommy

Chris 249
NSW, 3290 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:01AM
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Dale's not the only guy who reckons that new gear isn't the best for lift - plenty of other guys were saying that a long while ago. The jumps in Heart and Soul (posted yesterday) are another example, apparently.

Despite all the hype, flatter sails create less lift for the same area, all else being equal. They are low in drag, but also (AFAIK) lower in lift; probably just basic aerodynamics.

Rob11
240 posts
31 Aug 2010 4:59PM
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Chris 249 said...

Dale's not the only guy who reckons that new gear isn't the best for lift - plenty of other guys were saying that a long while ago. The jumps in Heart and Soul (posted yesterday) are another example, apparently.

Despite all the hype, flatter sails create less lift for the same area, all else being equal. They are low in drag, but also (AFAIK) lower in lift; probably just basic aerodynamics.


I say, the Wally is the best thing to do real high jumps

albers
NSW, 1737 posts
31 Aug 2010 7:21PM
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flipper4444 said...

Wet Willy said...

flipper4444 said...

G, he must be good at swimming to his rig, he is allways looseing his rigin the videos


They show the same wipeout 3 times...wakey wakey, son


nar he has lost his rig on the second vid at the end son, your getting cheeky willy keep it real hommy


I think Wet Willy is right - the same wipeout is shown 3 times!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:05PM
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I have just been out in the bay fellas and had another go at the dale cook jump with a 5.3 sail. I got a little higher than normal, but the wind angle was not really right tho, it was blowing to on shore. But this weekend looks good as the northlys are meant to swing NW more side on shore going by the bom forecast. I have to master the dale cook jump it's me goal fellas

Chris 249
NSW, 3290 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:17PM
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Rob11 said...

Chris 249 said...

Dale's not the only guy who reckons that new gear isn't the best for lift - plenty of other guys were saying that a long while ago. The jumps in Heart and Soul (posted yesterday) are another example, apparently.

Despite all the hype, flatter sails create less lift for the same area, all else being equal. They are low in drag, but also (AFAIK) lower in lift; probably just basic aerodynamics.


I say, the Wally is the best thing to do real high jumps


Hell yeah, we can get two or three feet into the air, I tell ya!!





Actually, there are pics around of Rocket Mk1s like this with the tail about 6 feet off the crest..... that's huuuuggggeeeee!!!!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:27PM
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nice man Hey there is a video online i have been looking every where for it and it shows a guy jumping a long board with a 7.5 m sail. His jumps look very simular to dales style of jumping. Has any one else seen the video? The video is fairly current it was made not that long ago.

Chris 249
NSW, 3290 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:43PM
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Flipper, there's a bit of jumping early on in this IMCO vid.

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Apparently these guys were pulling full forward loops on their IMCOs on Port Phillip Bay a few years back.

albers
NSW, 1737 posts
31 Aug 2010 8:49PM
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Hi Flipper 4444.

I think you need very strong winds, which get stronger/gustier as you rise in the jump.

Also, you need to use the board for added lift by raising the windward rail and getting the wind under the board.

The hardest thing is to control the board/rig as there a great deal of turbulence in these type of jumps.

Good luck in your quest!

PS: Get someone to video your progress!

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
31 Aug 2010 9:26PM
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Hey Chris 249..... The guy with SVK 1 on his sail in the video you posted, it's his video that i am trying to find. In the video he pulled some really massive jumps on a lake and jump jibed the board and even did a flip with that same rig.

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
31 Aug 2010 9:34PM
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Think this is the one i was looking for


SeanAUS120
QLD, 734 posts
1 Sep 2010 1:36AM
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Wonder how high he'd go on slalom kit?

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
1 Sep 2010 6:49AM
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Look at the fin. It basically is slalom kit. The modern really wide boards would be very difficult to control in the air.


SeanAUS120 said...

Wonder how high he'd go on slalom kit?


flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
1 Sep 2010 11:53AM
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This is the same dude SVK1 on wave gear

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
1 Sep 2010 12:29PM
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...oh, wait, it's only Flipper!

Go get 'em, boy!!



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