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Created by Windxtasy > 9 months ago, 14 Jun 2011
WaynoB
NSW, 393 posts
16 Jun 2011 2:10PM
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Sailed last weekend on the three days. Wore a steamer (Peak 3mm) and Gath helmet but no boots on the Saturday and my feet were frozen. Made for unpleasant sailing - gave up after 1 hour.

So on the Sunday and Monday I wore 3mm booties (high ankle with the separated big toe model) and had no problems staying out for a few hours. Hands were cold but bearable for a few hours. Three hours was all I could do before the hands said "no more".

Have tried heavy duty washing up gloves (with the finger tops cut off) in the past and they are effective in the cold, but the tips of my fingers are what suffer the most. The water was cold!

Used my 10' SUP when the wind was lighter in the morning and it handled the 3'-4' waves really well in the cross-onshore conditions. Changed to the wave board when it came in later on.

Mainbreak
34 posts
16 Jun 2011 12:34PM
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Windxtasy said...

Have you been in the river lately?



I remember years ago sailing in the river.
All that fresh water coming down from the hills is freezing.

Stop sailing in the river and head to the ocean, it's warmer and the wind in the fronts are more consistent.

marco gribi
WA, 196 posts
16 Jun 2011 12:52PM
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Sue - Our Flying Objects site uses flash, so you will need a later version to access it.

What I don't understand is that there are many companies that do make products specific to Windsurfing & Kitesurfing, yet people generally do not look around for a specific product that has been designed to do the job or they purchase Surf brands thinking they do the same thing.

Obviously being one of the companies that do specific products, we do make booties, shoes, gloves and Mitts, so there is no real need to shorten your water time because of the elements.

This is a great thread for people to be made aware of what is out there, so go looking.

FO Flux Glove below - no need for cold fingers


FO Lava Mitt below


Cheers,

Gorgo
VIC, 4968 posts
16 Jun 2011 3:34PM
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marco gribi said...

Sue - Our Flying Objects site uses flash, so you will need a later version to access it.

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Groan. Your web site could win an award for the most useless site ever built. Nothing pisses people off more than sitting watching buildings shaking, and stupid birds and flying saucers poncing about while clicking away to try and get some information. Grrrrrrrr!

I eventually found something I could click that gave me some half decent pictures.

Questions. Do you have any sizing information for the gloves? I want gloves that fit snugly so they don't balloon up with water, but not so tight that they cause cramps. Also, prices and places or web sites to buy them? (hopefully not put together by your current idiot web designers.)

PS Googling "flying objects flux gloves" returns a bunch of dead links and some useful stuff about safety for electricians. Grrrr. I spit on your web site! [}:)][}:)][}:)]

barn
WA, 2960 posts
16 Jun 2011 2:10PM
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Gorgo said...

marco gribi said...

Sue - Our Flying Objects site uses flash, so you will need a later version to access it.

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Groan. Your web site could win an award for the most useless site ever built. Nothing pisses people off more than sitting watching buildings shaking, and stupid birds and flying saucers poncing about while clicking away to try and get some information. Grrrrrrrr!

I eventually found something I could click that gave me some half decent pictures.

Questions. Do you have any sizing information for the gloves? I want gloves that fit snugly so they don't balloon up with water, but not so tight that they cause cramps. Also, prices and places or web sites to buy them? (hopefully not put together by your current idiot web designers.)

PS Googling "flying objects flux gloves" returns a bunch of dead links and some useful stuff about safety for electricians. Grrrr. I spit on your web site! [}:)][}:)][}:)]

Nice rant..

I went to the site, saw the buildings, then I found the gloves in 15 seconds after also noticing all the other products... I even downloaded the PDF catalogue, so I had a hard copy on my desktop.. The 2mm Flux gloves come in small, medium and large. Distributers are Auswind and retail outlets in Vic are four winds marine and repeat performance sailboards, so I'd give them a call for prices.. I don't normally spit on peoples websites, but if I did, www.flyingobjects.com.au/ would avoid my phlegmy justice..


God damn kids get off my lawn!! God Damn internet to complicated!! Create password? hmmm?? *password123*



Edit** I just googled 'flying objects flux gloves' and the first page that came up was Australian Kiteboarding Sales which sells the Flux gloves online for $49.. That website also had the Flux 3/2 steamer for $399 and wetty boots for $45.. So $500 bucks to never get cold again --

http://www.australiankiteboarding.com.au/index2.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&category_id=27&lang=en&limitstart=0&page=shop.browse&pop=1&tmpl=component

Or, if you can't handle that you could go to Vinnies and buy some woolen cardigans and dress like Shackleton and Oates..

albentley
NSW, 297 posts
16 Jun 2011 6:55PM
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haha love it barny

izaak
TAS, 1972 posts
16 Jun 2011 7:38PM
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Here in Tas i get away threw winter with a 4/3mm wetsuit, rashie,booties and beanie.Amazing how much difference a beanie and good booties make.If ya need gloves..why bother heading out.Ive been warm sailing in melted snow so you should be rite,if you keep moving.

Gorgo
VIC, 4968 posts
16 Jun 2011 9:16PM
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Silly me. I thought that clicking on Products would actually show the list of products that were for sale.

I didn't know that clicking on Products made the buildings rise up, and the little sound effect play, and the product category menus flash across the screen too fast to look at.

At least I got to look at the product menu flashing down the screen while I waited. There must be some Flash version issues as well. I had to check several different pages before the products actually appeared.

Anyway, in terms of glove sizing, I would like some guidance to the size of hand that the manufacturer calls S, M, L etc. Glove specialists usually have a table with the measurements across the palm and correlate them to the sizes. Some guidance as to the ideal fitting would be good. Wetsuit gloves are a disaster if they are not tight fitting

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
16 Jun 2011 8:29PM
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I agree re sizing. Measurements are so much more useful than s/m/l.
Windsurfing gear tends to be made for men, so S for men is still L for me.
Before I waste time going to a store I'd like to know they have something in my size. Measurement is even more important when buying online.
Last time I went to look for sailing gloves the store I went to didn't even stock the small size, (which I needed) so I went home empty handed.

fullmoon
WA, 314 posts
16 Jun 2011 9:11PM
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Seems OK to me Gorgo, but then I am obviously not as intelligent or as good at spitting as yourself.
The Severne Reflex II site gives me grief every time I visit so DONT go there Gorgo.

GazMan
WA, 840 posts
16 Jun 2011 11:19PM
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Windxtasy said...

With all the layers I have to wear at the moment it is taking me longer to dress for sailing than to rig up!
If I add woollen socks, booties, hood/ beanie the wind will have died before I get out there!

Sounds like the way to go though.
I guess woollen socks don't work with the split toe booties?
Can you get polypro socks?


Not true! I've used woolen socks heaps of times with split toe booties, you just need to tuck the end of the socks in between big toe and 2nd toe to create a split toe affect in the socks before putting the booties on.

Or maybe ask dinsdale if his lovely wife would be interested in making a pair of split toe woolen socks for a fee!

marco gribi
WA, 196 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:37AM
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Everybody has different tastes and we certainly welcome feedback, although we may not always agree or listen to it

Our website is designed to be a mixture of being interactive, telling a story and informative about our products / brand. For those that are not familiar with FO we are a Perth based company making Windsurfing products since the 80's, hence the buildings (Perth CBD) rising from the water. I think that the Flying Objects are pretty self explanatory, we thought it was funny and Ben wanted a Flying Pig on the website.

When first loading the site it can take a bit longer for the menu's / images to load but once these are in the cache it becomes much quicker. Again it takes a bit of navigation to find some information but we wanted people to explore the site. You learn some lessons, make some changes and hopefully the site only gets better.

Our Gloves are made from a high stretch neoprene and they are a tight fit but this does not limit movement as the Flex is taken into account in the pre-curved shaping.
Regarding the Glove sizing below is our size chart.



Cheers,

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
17 Jun 2011 11:53AM
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Now that's really helpful, thanks Marco. Can't complain about the service...
The small gloves are pretty close to my hand measurements too. Yay!

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
17 Jun 2011 12:05PM
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Windxtasy said...

Now that's really helpful, thanks Marco. Can't complain about the service...
The small gloves are pretty close to my hand measurements too. Yay!



Gorgo
VIC, 4968 posts
17 Jun 2011 2:33PM
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Thanks Marco. That is useful information.

I normally take a large size glove and I can squeeze into a medium.

According to your chart I am just on Small in palm width , a Medium in span, and a Large in length. I'm guessing for your gloves a Medium would be right for me.

Given that your gloves are a high stretch neoprene, do you recommend that people go for smaller sizes?

PS. FYI, on my PC at home the web site works ok, sort of. The clicking on Products thing is weird. It should show the products before loading the pretty pictures.

On my PC at work if I click on the Windsurf or Surf links the site works ok. If I click on the Kiteboard link nothing works. I just get flying saucers and helicopters and crows flying about. This implies that Flash is working ok but there's something dodgey in the Kiteboard code.

marco gribi
WA, 196 posts
17 Jun 2011 3:59PM
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Hi Gorgo,

I would say the first measure of consideration is the hand length, if this is way too short then the most discomfort will be experienced at the finger tips. The pre-curve shape will pull in the fingers and the end will pull in a bit tight.

From your measure I would say the best average will be the M

Cheers,

LeStef
ACT, 514 posts
17 Jun 2011 10:36PM
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After sailing in Hobart, I always started the day with a thermos of warm (not boiling !) water poured down the booties and wetsuit . Always better start than the freezing water...

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
18 Jun 2011 4:13PM
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LeStef said...

After sailing in Hobart, I always started the day with a thermos of warm (not boiling !) water poured down the booties and wetsuit . Always better start than the freezing water...


What a good idea.

Thanks for all your replies, people.
This morning I went out and bought a pair of polypropylene socks and a pair of windsurfing/kitesurfing split toe booties. I feel like a two toed sloth wearing them, but they are remarkably comfortable and don't interfere with sensation under the feet much. I can almost feel the texture of my bedroom carpet through the sole.
Now for some wind...

Marco, I tried some FO booties but they were too wide for my feet.

Gorgo
VIC, 4968 posts
18 Jun 2011 8:19PM
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I'll throw my usual cold weather tip in. Forgive me if you've seen it before.

5 litre plastic container filled with hot water from the tap. Wrap it in your towel. It will stay warm for 8 hours.

A $6 container from Bunnings is ideal. You can use a 4 litre Coke bottle if you want. A larger container stays warmer longer. Don't get one with a wide opening. The water comes out too fast.

After sailing use the warm water to rinse the sand off your wettie and douse your head and some down the inside of the wettie to warm you up. Don't use it all.

Strip off the wettie and wash your bod with the warm water. Even in a cold wind the warm water still retains enough energy to keep you warm.

Dry off with your warm towel and get dressed.

Wash your feet with the last of the warm water and put shoes etc on and head for home warm and clean.

If you want you could put the wetsuit inside the towel to have a warm wettie to put on.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7992 posts
21 Jun 2011 1:58PM
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Ok I want a neoprene hood/ beanie do I have to get a diving one or do they make them for surfing sailboarding and if so any recommended ones?

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
21 Jun 2011 3:28PM
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sboardcrazy said...

Ok I want a neoprene hood/ beanie do I have to get a diving one or do they make them for surfing sailboarding and if so any recommended ones?


I think I've seen a neoprene beanie at a surf shop.

Also saw a 1mm neoprene vest with hood attached. You wear it under your wetsuit, and it has a nice flange which goes over the neck of your wetsuit and stops water running inside. They were about $110.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
21 Jun 2011 5:40PM
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You are better of spending money on a decent wetsuit than spending a bit here and there on little things to try to keep warm.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7992 posts
22 Jun 2011 5:57PM
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Mobydisc said...

You are better of spending money on a decent wetsuit than spending a bit here and there on little things to try to keep warm.




I know..but I might get divorced if I spend $ on a wettie at the moment..so I bought a hood first..then I might get a wettie..I bought a cheap wetsuit last year when I couldn't afford a better one. Waste of time as the cold water gushes in through the seams..
Next one will be a 3 -5mm..? I wonder if that will be enough as at the moment I prob have an old 2-3 or 3- 4mm one + a thermal under + a 1mm rashie type long sleeve wetsuit top over that + helmet , gloves & boooties & still bb cold!

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
22 Jun 2011 9:48PM
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Past the solstice now, summer is on it's way!

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
23 Jun 2011 8:11AM
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Layering will keep you warm. I am just getting rid of a semi dry suit to go back to a thermal rashie under my normal steamer. Btw the oniell booties with a split toe will keep you heaps warm.



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