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Double luff sail

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 27 Sep 2013
choco
SA, 4024 posts
27 Sep 2013 2:51PM
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Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard




?

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:34PM
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does this mean there are no cams?

choco
SA, 4024 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:07PM
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Haircut said..

does this mean there are no cams?


I think there are cams in the sails but two batten per cam, this technology may go no where or change windsurfing forever especially formula slalom and SPEED sailing.




Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:43PM
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oh. i haven't read all the info, but it looked like they have a spacer between the two battens to get the wing leading edge shape, and therefore no need for a cam to induce the shape?? might be a breakthrough if it is

not sure how well it would roll up into a bag though?

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:52PM
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choco said..

"..........the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, .................."




Choco, Nice find although apart from possibly HR Puffinstuff I've never seen a tree wearing pants with pockets. Those formula sailors will be wetting their plants too.

AUS4
NSW, 1251 posts
27 Sep 2013 5:42PM
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choco said..

Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard








Gaastra did this in 1986.

choco
SA, 4024 posts
27 Sep 2013 5:18PM
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AUS4 said...
choco said..

Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard








Gaastra did this in 1986.


good to see they revamped an old idea

aussieboats
NSW, 342 posts
28 Sep 2013 9:59AM
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Ka did this in the early 90s and had split battens , worked well and was nice and light

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
30 Sep 2013 10:57AM
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In appearance - not unlike the fixed wing sails used in Americas Cup


Issa
355 posts
1 Oct 2013 10:50AM
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Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?

Gestalt
QLD, 14306 posts
1 Oct 2013 1:47PM
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^ I know of guys that have done that with race sails and also used cut up pool noodles.

Stuthepirate
SA, 3589 posts
1 Oct 2013 3:17PM
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Issa said..

Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?


Luff pocket bladders filled with helium

fjdoug
ACT, 544 posts
1 Oct 2013 9:30PM
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Aeroforce sails from San Diego sold similar sails, late eighties and actually called them....Double Luff Sails!

fjdoug
ACT, 544 posts
2 Oct 2013 11:12AM
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1989

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
2 Oct 2013 1:55PM
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Issa said..

Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?


Sounds like a double luff fail.

AusMoz
QLD, 1420 posts
2 Oct 2013 8:03PM
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fjdoug said..





1989


I'm sure it works well with a Z boom too!

onefoot
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3 Oct 2013 9:54PM
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Issa said..
Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?




Dan Kaseler did this: olypen.com/dkaseler/Inflatable%20Gallery.htm
not exactly what you asked for but similar.



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