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Created by Bart1 > 9 months ago, 3 Dec 2011
buzzy
TAS, 2433 posts
5 Dec 2011 2:48PM
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175cm, 20's all the way for wave, slalom, speed and freestyle. Each to their own though. 30mm gap between straps.

Start with adjustables around 26 and work from there until you find what suits for the stage your at.

vosadrian
NSW, 368 posts
5 Dec 2011 4:05PM
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I think the difference between people who like long and short harness lines is boom height to some extent. I bet the people running longer lines also run higher booms. I prefer mine on the shorter side and run a lowish boom. I find the lower boom does not pull my weight back on to the fin as much on smaller boards when I rake the mast back.... perhaps I rake the mast back too much??!!

ka43
NSW, 3075 posts
5 Dec 2011 4:23PM
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30" lines a fist apart. Im 177cm, use a just above middle of the cutout boom height.
Before I went to Sandy Pt they were even closer to accomodate the gusty winds I sail in. Then when you get a couple of days of the great steady wind down there I shotrtened them up considerably. Makes you "sit" in the harness to really load your weight onto the boom and rig and off the board.
Now so much more comfortable and have not moved them back.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
5 Dec 2011 1:37PM
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Mark _australia said...

Seriously I don't get it when all the pro's were on 20 - 22" a few years ago and now long is better and many are going up to 30"

On 24" my arms are almost fully extended and I lose a little early planing or glide thru the lulls ability.

I am a normal 178cm male with normal length arms and normal boom height.

Maybe I am missing something....


Maybe they keep the lines 1.5 meters apart?

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
5 Dec 2011 2:10PM
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K Dog said...

Okay, for those with long lines, how far apart are they? And hands width or very close?


About 10cm

Bart1
WA, 55 posts
5 Dec 2011 2:28PM
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Got some 26" lines and tried them out yesterday (not that we had much wind about) and they are heaps better.
Thanks heaps for the replys.

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
5 Dec 2011 5:31PM
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out of curiosity, how many of the guys who posted 26 and over use a seat harness?

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
5 Dec 2011 8:02PM
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Me.

Te Hau
480 posts
5 Dec 2011 7:02PM
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Hook your elbow into the loop of the harness lines and with your forearm straight the boom will fit between thumb and first finger......real old school specs but works for a starting point
for me......30 inch with seat or waist harness
I reckon if you like to pull the rig over on you, you'll run 'em short, but if you like the rig to pull you along they'll end up long

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
5 Dec 2011 7:54PM
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When i tried 30'' lines very,very hard to get upwind, but angle i could sail downwind was insane.

Now you know why slowboat can't sail upwind.

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
5 Dec 2011 10:42PM
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grumplestiltskin said...

out of curiosity, how many of the guys who posted 26 and over use a seat harness?


Have used both, always had 'em long since the 80s.

About 10 years ago I broke a boom but my local shop didn't have the size I needed and lent me a second hand one. Had rediculously short lines. I was using a waist harness at the time. Had to move the straps so they were touching to try and get some extra length but it still felt horrible.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
11 Dec 2011 10:52AM
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Just measured my lines which I understood were 26 inch (That's what was printed on the packet). Measured from end to end excluding the loops that actually go around the boom the were 29 and one half inches. Am I measuring correctly?

joe windsurf
1480 posts
12 Dec 2011 2:56AM
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in the latest Windsport Magazine - late Fall 2011 on page 38 Matt Pritchard has a piece on "The long and short of harness lines"
Matt uses 30 inch lines and a waist harness.
He keeps the boom high - between shoulder and chin.
benefits of longer lines
improved efficiency
save energy
LESS accidental hookins
greater power control
better mast foot pressure ie down
drawbacks of shorter lines
tend to de-power sail
more pain n injury
set boom too low
use harness less often
more catapaults !!

one reason Matt uses longer lines and i concur - one can sail in the lines almost all the time ie lazy sailor

some who use shorter lines - cannot hook in until planing
i hook in way before that - can schlog hooked in

it is a personal choice !!
use adjustables and purchase fixed length once decided on your ideal length !!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
13 Dec 2011 12:42PM
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I have a seat harness and use c 26-28 inch lines I think? I like to be able to stay hooked in all the time even subplaning.The long lines make it easier to get in and out if its gusty or just stay in but take more load on your arms staying in over the board in a lull until a gust hits. I'm 5' 6" and run my boom at about chin height.
I think I ran shorter lines in the 90's but I was on a waveboard so sailing more upright com pared to the freerides which I lay out from more.

guycribb
WA, 8 posts
16 Dec 2011 6:21PM
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www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/Tuning-%20long%20lines.pdf
The long and short of it.... A free PDF all about harness line length... And this old one one about position-
www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/The%20Truth%20About%20Harness%20Lines.pdf

AUS2001
NSW, 86 posts
16 Dec 2011 9:52PM
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Hi Guy
I have taken your advice and I am using 26" for speed and slalom but still use 24" for freestyle,waves and bump and jump. With the 26's I can now hold big sailsin greater wind strengths(4.2m in 25 knots)
I am now 135cm and weigh 31kg and always use a waist harness but will try and use my old seat harness next time I go to Sandy Point.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
17 Dec 2011 3:31PM
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31Kg!! I think my spare tire weighs that much.. :-))

russh
SA, 3025 posts
17 Dec 2011 6:59PM
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I have slowly progressed to 30" lines and between a finger to 4 finger span
Wider when overpowered - and front line back as far as possible and move with each sail size so you can feel the pull of the sail on the front hand - scary at first but great for down wind blasts and early planing in the harness - power seems to move back a bit once your powered up and blasting. Each to there own I say - if it works run with it

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
17 Dec 2011 7:44PM
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yoyo said...
31Kg!! I think my spare tire weighs that much.. :-))

I'm working hard to lose more than that - seriously !

flatout
84 posts
17 Dec 2011 8:52PM
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Those of you who run short lines, how far apart do you grab the boom?
My theory is that using short lines enables you to grab the boom further apart. Thus having more power to muscle the sail around. This of course feels very comfortable because you have more power to control the sail.
Long lines require you to grab the boom with your hands closer together. This allows the sail to work itself into the correct position compared to the wind. Thus being more efficient.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
18 Dec 2011 12:24PM
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I thought 31kgs was a typo until I realised it was Alex!

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
18 Dec 2011 1:06PM
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flatout said...

Those of you who run short lines, how far apart do you grab the boom?
My theory is that using short lines enables you to grab the boom further apart. Thus having more power to muscle the sail around. This of course feels very comfortable because you have more power to control the sail.
Long lines require you to grab the boom with your hands closer together. This allows the sail to work itself into the correct position compared to the wind. Thus being more efficient.


I think regardless of line length you will grab the boom at a spacing that is naturally most comfortable which I'd guess is about shoulder width +10cm-ish. Line length will determine if your arms are straighter or you are more hunched in your stance. Imo.

Regarding the sail being more 'free' to move I think this is far more determined by the line width. Personally I run my lines about a fist width apart as it allows you much more freedom in terms of sheeting/un-sheeting than if you run the lines wide apart.



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