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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 15 Mar 2016
ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:32PM
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The water at my local is full of eagle rays. I sail a lot. I hit them a lot. I have massive over-the-fronts. It hurts. It wrecks my gear. It wrecks the rays (presumably).

What's the solution?


TRIMMER
QLD, 213 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:38PM
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Weed fins and concrete

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 Mar 2016 10:39PM
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Shorter weed fin? Otherwise - change of location.

vando
QLD, 3416 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:49PM
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I know the feeling had my fair share of hits in the bay.
Weed fins may help but not in all cases .

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
15 Mar 2016 10:00PM
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I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.

Mark _australia
WA, 22114 posts
15 Mar 2016 8:29PM
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Keep the ray
Cut flaps off
Punch them with a bit of sharpened waterpipe to get nice white circles about 1" (x 1/2" thick)
Mix little white circles with scallops to take on a bit of smell
Sell the whole lot as real scallops.

(Chinese restaurant trick, wonder why 'rays are so popular to catch and there ya have it)

Piv
WA, 372 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:04PM
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Get a board with a powa box. Fins guaranteed to snap off. keep a few spares jammed in your harness and a screwdriver for on the water changes

Mark _australia
WA, 22114 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:32PM
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^^ They are designed to. The clearance between bolt and the barrel nut insert is a tiny bit more than for a normal nut n bolt, so as to save your board.

But yeah the box in a board is pretty damn strong and I have had the fin let go earlier than I'd like. EG a walking pace collision with rock, that would obviously not damage the board. In that case the fin manufacturer sold me a fin at cost! Top marks to them


ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:52AM
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All my boards are powerboxes. The fins only break off when I hit turtles . Rays have a bit of give in them. Still like hitting a dining table though.

powersloshin
NSW, 1656 posts
16 Mar 2016 7:29AM
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Think that you still end up better than the ray

Tardy
4930 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:36AM
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Slow down .

on a serious note .weed fins do run over them easier..
but not that nice to use .
go wave fins....they won't kill but sting the ray .

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
16 Mar 2016 9:10AM
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Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.

Haggar
QLD, 1664 posts
16 Mar 2016 8:22AM
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Its a problem at other places including lakes. Yes maybe a weedy or more swept back smaller fin but potentially at the expense of sailing experience. You could just hit sandbanks or rocks like me and save the rays

Ian K
WA, 4041 posts
16 Mar 2016 7:07AM
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saltyheaven said..
Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.




Yes, it's a concern, haven't hit anything noticeably big this season but have narrowly missed a shark and a seal. Power boxes are designed to merely save the board. Shouldn't we think about a bit more precision in the breakaway? In normal sailing the fore and aft force is only a kilogram or two of drag. A calibrated hinge to the rear at 5 kilograms would greatly improve safety for other water users.

The sailor should avoid the catapult and still have enough fin action to get back to the beach and fit a fresh shear pin.

Adoy
NSW, 238 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:18AM
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Take up kitesurfing you can ride a board with no fins

arancini
WA, 373 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:18AM
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I only know one bloke called Ray and I don't think he swims there, why are all these Ray's getting together in one place anyway.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
16 Mar 2016 12:36PM
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Ian K said..
saltyheaven said..
Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.




Yes, it's a concern, haven't hit anything noticeably big this season but have narrowly missed a shark and a seal. Power boxes are designed to merely save the board. Shouldn't we think about a bit more precision in the breakaway? In normal sailing the fore and aft force is only a kilogram or two of drag. A calibrated hinge to the rear at 5 kilograms would greatly improve safety for other water users.

The sailor should avoid the catapult and still have enough fin action to get back to the beach and fit a fresh shear pin.


As an ad hoc measure you could use plastic cross nuts and a tether from the deck to the fin. A folding fin would be better, just more of a project.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
16 Mar 2016 12:38PM
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ikw777 said..
I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.

What, Queen's has a speed strip now? I thought it was wall to wall bumps.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
16 Mar 2016 11:58AM
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sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
16 Mar 2016 2:06PM
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Get an iSonic* - it'll solve all your problems. The fish lives, and your fin's as good as new..... [funny that it's still quite raw ]

*(preferably a model around 2012 when they had an inherent weakness at the wingers)


Mark _australia
WA, 22114 posts
16 Mar 2016 12:18PM
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You lot should start being sensible, he asked if it hurts the rays.

I reckon it probably just stings.


sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
16 Mar 2016 2:25PM
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Mark _australia said..
You lot should start being sensible, he asked if it hurts the rays.

I reckon it probably just stings.




Mark,
I don't want to get in a flap but was that barb directed at me.
Hooray...

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
16 Mar 2016 4:19PM
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NotWal said..

ikw777 said..
I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.


What, Queen's has a speed strip now? I thought it was wall to wall bumps.



Yep, that's the one. Sometimes the chop is only a metre high!

Parked
NSW, 169 posts
16 Mar 2016 6:58PM
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Buy a Fanatic Ray, that way you'll still be able to fly with them, just not hurt them or yourself

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:48PM
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Must be something to be flat out flying thru the water then suddenly you're floundering.
Still that's quite a cautionary tail, I was expecting a stinger at the end but instead it's a ray of sunshine.
If you are going to be losing fins like that perhaps you could tie a hook and line to them so you don't have to go fish for them afterwards.
Make me stop

Piv
WA, 372 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:45PM
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How about the old multi fins canard clip. Back to the future for fin saving.

curac
WA, 1142 posts
17 Mar 2016 9:21AM
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sharper fins



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