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Created by Macroscien > 9 months ago, 8 May 2012
FormulaNova
WA, 14734 posts
9 May 2012 11:11PM
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Macroscien said...

JonesySail said...
back to the future...along with the time machine and flying train!

just as I said
walking on the water - tick off - done 2000 years ago
flying train - tick off - done just few years ago
flying windsurfer - still waiting
time machine - I am just working on this I really wish to see how our windsurfing gear looks 100 years from now.




You haven't fallen asleep while watching 'back to the future again' and thought it was the news have you?

JonesySail
QLD, 1084 posts
10 May 2012 11:21AM
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Thats Awesome! That'll teach me for being a smart A!s!

Could see the back to the future skateboard working on a track/surface like that!

Supply the saftey boots and I will be your test pilot when you get in nailed!


Macroscien said...

JonesySail said...
back to the future...along with the time machine and flying train!

just as I said
walking on the water - tick off - done 2000 years ago
flying train - tick off - done just few years ago
flying windsurfer - still waiting
time machine - I am just working on this I really wish to see how our windsurfing gear looks 100 years from now.




qldnacra
QLD, 455 posts
10 May 2012 11:50AM
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TheTank said...

Liquid Nitrogen... made me think of this clip :




You don't realize how funny that actually is. That could be Macro's brother

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
10 May 2012 11:58AM
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Mr Micro/MacroScientist

As we all know, gravity 'sucks'
therefore anti-gravity must 'blow'.

So in this case if the blow is not greater the suck then 'it' may not work.

And if you take the 'it' out of gravity, you are left with gravy which has a greater viscosity, the fin sticks, upsetting the suck/blow balance.... [}:)][}:)]

and there goes your hypothesis!

Don't you just love science & engineering - so precise.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
10 May 2012 4:33PM
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Volkswagen showcases zero-emission hover car

Volkswagen has unveiled a prototype "Hover Car", developed with input from the Chinese public.

The vehicle, which resembles a large glass yo-yo is currently on display at the Auto China 2012 show in Beijing.

The German firm's People's Car Project invited ordinary Chinese citizens to submit their ideas and designs for innovative new vehicles last June.

"The creative ideas from the "People's Car Project" give us a valuable insight into the wishes of Chinese drivers," Volkswagen China's head of design Simon Loasby said.

"The trend is towards safe cars that can easily navigate overcrowded roads and have a personal, emotional and exciting design."

With the help of Volkswagen's engineers three of the dream concepts have been realised with the "Hover Car" the standout for its space age design and environmental credentials.

The two-seater vehicle uses an electro-magnetic field to levitate above the ground and employs distance sensors to prevent collisions with other cars.

A joystick controls the vehicle's movement and it can even spin on its axis.

Importantly, the "Hover Car" does not produce emissions as it does not burn fuel.

Volkswagen also developed a "Music Car" which uses Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) to change the colour of the vehicle's exterior depending on the music being blasted inside.

The final innovation developed in tandem with Chinese netizens is the "Smart Key", a 9mm key which uses a touchscreen interface to "keep the driver up to date on the fuel situation, climate conditions and the car's security via the 3G network".

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/8464757/volkswagen-showcases-zero-emission-hover-car

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
10 May 2012 10:24PM
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Definitely fake, but well done...

www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/vw_hovercar_ad/

Chris 249
NSW, 3353 posts
11 May 2012 12:07PM
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d1 said...

On a more practical note, I suspect that some aircraft technology will eventually filter through and modernize sailing. For example, there can be passive stall indicators on the sails allowing for optimum in-sheeting. The board can have active canards to adjust the attitude (roll, pitch, yaw) while sailing. The GPS unit can project the speed and bearing on the sail (like a HUD). The boards can have active rockerline (straightens and flexes as required). Lots of scope for improvement, IMO...


Passive stall indicators that allow for optimum sheeting angles already exist. They give precise real-time indication of boundary layer flow characteristics through a 1:1 visual interfacing link. One beauty of these amazing devices is that you can fit dozens on them on any foil, at any place on the foil, so you can use them to monitor twist and draft anywhere. As NASA says, these amazing things show "regions of strong cross-flow, reverse flow, or flow separation" and "regions of unsteady flow".

These amazing high-tech devices are...... bits of wool or dacron stuck to a sail and called tufts!

Sailors seem to assume that aircraft wings are vastly better than sails, but top aerodynamicists don't always agree. Mark Drela is a professor of aero and MIT and his designs hold the world records for human powered flight and water speed. He also helped design the America's Cup wing.

As Mark said once;

"Sails are wings in that they must provide lift with a minimum of drag,
but their design and operation is much more complicated. There are many constraints, the major one being a maximum heeling moment the
sail can be allowed to generate (analogous to limiting the root
bending moment on a glider). Exceed this and the boat falls over.
This is mainly what limits the sail's aspect ratio.

On an America's Cup boat, each sail's shape can be altered considerably
in many different ways by pulling on control ropes. Angle, twist,
camber magnitude, camber distribution, are continually adjusted
for each sail
by a dedicated crew member. Makes a glider's trim
flap look kinda trivial.
" ((My emphasis)

We could make the advances you note (of course, old poly boards had rocker lines that could be adjusted on and off the water!) but maybe we shouldn't. As Mark Drela (who is also an active participant as well as a designer) notes, there's a lot more to making good sporting equipment than making it faster - convenience, accessibility, tactical aspects, feedback etc are more important.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
11 May 2012 1:05PM
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Chris 249 said...

Select to expand quote
d1 said...
On an America's Cup boat, each sail's shape can be altered considerably
in many different ways by pulling on control ropes. Angle, twist,
camber magnitude, camber distribution, are continually adjusted
for each sail
by a dedicated crew member. Makes a glider's trim
flap look kinda trivial.
" ((My emphasis)


Kinda like what a universal joint can offer? Serious question.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
11 May 2012 1:10PM
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Flying trains... you can ride one in Shanghai. I have, very fast, very quiet.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
11 May 2012 12:00PM
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Chris 249 said...
Passive stall indicators that allow for optimum sheeting angles already exist. They give precise real-time indication of boundary layer flow characteristics through a 1:1 visual interfacing link. One beauty of these amazing devices is that you can fit dozens on them on any foil, at any place on the foil, so you can use them to monitor twist and draft anywhere. As NASA says, these amazing things show "regions of strong cross-flow, reverse flow, or flow separation" and "regions of unsteady flow".

These amazing high-tech devices are...... bits of wool or dacron stuck to a sail and called tufts!

In the '60s I used about 8" of red wool (about 4 ply), pushed (pulled actually) through the sail with a sharp needle.
We called them a much more technical name - "woolly bits".
Used to put them all over the place until we worked out which ones were the best overall indicators, and then removed the rest.

As for all the other adjustable bits: it'd be OK if they're automatic and they work, but I (and some others) proved in Australian, Commonwealth and world class small boat competition that mostly you're better off concentrating on sailing instead of spending half your time fiddling with adjustable do-dads all over the place. I only ever sailed 1 and 2 man racing dinghys, so ymmv with larger boats and crews.

Just get it right, then sail the thing!

d1
WA, 304 posts
11 May 2012 12:05PM
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Chris 249 said...

there's a lot more to making good sporting equipment than making it faster - convenience, accessibility, tactical aspects, feedback etc are more important.


And perhaps even more important, managing the participants' acceptance of new ideas and technological progress:



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landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
11 May 2012 8:06PM
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nebbian said...
[I think you might find it a lot easier to just build a landboard

and thats not easy, I got to version 5,and 25knts before I decided it was a stupid thing to do leading only to pain

Willy Sailor
242 posts
12 May 2012 12:07AM
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there should be a warning in the sub- heading
"Hovercraft Windsurfing" - Drink 12 beer before reading

this has done my head in

JustinL
NSW, 467 posts
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12 May 2012 3:20PM
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guys this is old tech

Luke Skywalker was doing this back in the 70s with his Land Cruiser on Tatooine.
All he needed was to bolt on a rig and find a lake.
Unfortunately there is no lakes on the desert planet to test it and Luke was too busy working on the farm and playing video games.



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