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Is windsurfing popularity still declining?

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Created by SWS > 9 months ago, 11 Aug 2011
gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
14 Aug 2011 12:55AM
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It is interesting reading the comments. Here is the deal, we need viable numbers in the sport or manufacturers stop producing. To get and keep viable numbers you need to market the sport to new people. We need new blood coming in to replace the oldies that eventually leave. Yep it's true as a surfer crowds piss me off, but you learn to deal with it and when it gets big the crowds thin out. There are more alternates to sailing now, SUP, kiting, surfing etc etc etc, all vying for the limited $ that is in the market.

What makes a sport cool? Good marketing goes a long way. People only know what is cool when they are told, subtly but told. Surfing will always be the main sport it's uncomplicated, relatively cheap and easy to transport. Oh I know people will come back and say sailing is cheap, the gear makes it easy to learn on etc but the reality is that it is effort intensive and bloody hard to transport easily (even traveling with one rig and sail is a problem at times).

WindSUP will make the sport a little more accessible, one board to do multiple things. So everyone this summer get one beginner into the sport, a couple of hours once a week, forget about the high performance stuff straight away and let them find out that light wind and spinning tricks can be fun. Clubs should be running beginners nights, a BBQ a lesson and some old long gear.

Just my thoughts on the matter

SWS
SA, 196 posts
14 Aug 2011 7:28AM
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I started windsurfing at a windsurfing club. All your gear was stored at the club on racks so no need to transport it around. It also make it easy to organize events and competitions as every one was there and if there was no wind you could just wait and enjoy the club facilities. There was even a windsurfing shop in the club. It is a pity there have not been windsurfing clubs set up around Australia like sailing clubs have been set up. Sure some will say but we sail at different spots depending on the wind and waves but the reality is the majority of windsurfers sail at one spot. Maybe even have a few pokies to help pay for cheap gear for beginners!!!

OESaustralia
SA, 280 posts
14 Aug 2011 7:40AM
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Here is our lastest effort to get more kids involved in windsurfing with a scaled down copy of our Quad 85 to a 183cm x 46 cm x 35 L in Ployester/ Surfboard construction to keep the costs down


SWS
SA, 196 posts
14 Aug 2011 9:26AM
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What happened to polyester custom boards they used to be all the go until epoxy sandwich and carbon came along. Sure they are heavier and not as stiff but if they are cheaper to make would they not be the way to go?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
14 Aug 2011 10:47AM
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Cost isn't the main thing that stops windsurfing being the most popular pastime in the world. When windsurfing was extremely popular it probably cost you about $1000 for a beginner board and sail. Average yearly income was probably around $15K a year or less.

Today a new beginner board and sail might cost about $2000. Average incomes are about $60K or so. You can pick up that 25 year old board and sail for about $50 or less unless its one of those eBay specials from someone who has no idea and compares it to a $1000 SUP.

Is windsurfing still declining? I don't think so. Seems to be that plenty of former ex-windsurfers are getting back into it. That is the best source of growth. People talk about getting kids into it. Sure a few get into it but most kids are busy doing other things and most of them don't have a car or much money. Unless their parents or some other adult is supportive or they live close to the water, windsurfing is a difficult sport to persue.

Our population is aging. The over sixties are probably the biggest growing segment of the population. The group photo of the FNQ mob shows the future. Healthier, active people of all ages enjoying a great sport.

Obelix
WA, 1097 posts
14 Aug 2011 8:55AM
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I counted 30+ sails at Melville yesterday afternoon....and 2 kites.



Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:01AM
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OESaustralia said...

Here is our lastest effort to get more kids involved in windsurfing with a scaled down copy of our Quad 85 to a 183cm x 46 cm x 35 L in Ployester/ Surfboard construction to keep the costs down




that's a great idea

what would that cost a kid buying from a shop in $Aus?

OESaustralia
SA, 280 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:17AM
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Under $1000 AUD for any size under 60 L, this one was built for an 8 year old .

qldnacra
QLD, 455 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:57AM
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I think it's a matter of people being exposed to the sport by making it visible via maybe advertising and events. Is it expensive well yes and no. I'm also into dirt bikes. I have 2 bikes at present. One is just under 2 years old and cost $12000 new the other is 4 years old and cost $10500 as a demo. That's without actually setting up the bikes with bash plates, hand guards, suspension tuning etc. Along with that you have gear. Neck brace, knee braces, boots, helmet, body armour, pants, gersey, gloves, socks you get the idea. Now if you go to any motocross track on a race day there is big numbers of bikes and people there which are mostly competitors and a few spectators. The vast majority are young people and alot are pre licence teens with their fathers in tow to transport and pay for everything. I know i used to do it with my son when he was racing and i was the living breathing ATM. So you can add another new bike to the stable. Only a handful of these fathers ride in the motocross events. So they rock up at 6am just to get a spot on the grid sit around for 8 to 10 hours while only 2 or 3, 4 lap heats are run and then the race later in the day which is 8 laps. That equates to a total of about 45 minutes riding and ALOT of waiting in 10 hours or so.
Now to windsurfing. I started about 5 months ago now. In that time i have bought my beginner kit which was all new 2011 gear and cost $2700. Since then i have traded the beginner board and bought 2 more new sails at about $700 each plus 3 wetsuits about $500 all up on sale and 2 pro edition boards, one ex demo at $1000 and one new about to be superseded $1600. I also ungraded to an X6 mast from my original X3. So do the sums it has cost me around $7500 to go wind surfing and i've got some really nice gear. The bike thing has cost me around $30000 and that's without my sons bike and gear and trailer to transport the bikes.
This is not to brag about stuff it's just an accurate comparison of costs to compare 2 sports. One which is quite popular and rapidly running out of places to do it due to noise, whingers and urban sprawl. The other which is no where near as popular but quiet is not at risk of running out of places to do it and just as much fun with way less injury. If the young people wanted to do it the parents would take them and spend the money and chances are rather than just being spectators the parents would actually want to do it themselves. Win win situation. 2 bikes vs 2 boards $30000 vs $7500. No windsurfing isn't expensive to buy the gear and there is virtually no maintenance in comparison. The amount i do each about 10 or 15 to 1 windsurfing to riding and it would be similar for most.
A surf board costs between $500 and $1000 so is windsurfing expensive. Yes. So it depends on what eyes you see it through. It costs alot of money to get started but once your in if you have a good shop to deal with like i do then trading and upgrading is relatively cheap and it's brilliant fun all for the cost of some fuel to get to the water
The big question is how do we get it in peoples faces?
But in some ways i think do we want to. There has always and always we be the Richard Craniums of the world so the more people that start doing any activity the more chance of coming across Dick Heads.

Chris 249
NSW, 3334 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:59AM
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As others have said, why stress over kids when the population is ageing and staying more active as they do? Concentrating on adults could be #1.

We (my wife and I) have spent a lot of time teaching kids. Two of the kids we introduced or help introduce to the sport were in Europe at World Cup/world title level last month, so some of them are pretty damn keen. I don't know how many kids we taught or who got into the sport through a little scheme we started now own their own gear, but it would be a couple of dozen at least.

Personally, it seems that accessibility is the big problem. Kids rarely have the luxury of being able to go down to the right spot at the right time. They have to fit sailing in around their other activities, their parents' other activities, and their siblings other activities. To me, that means that a cheap kid's shortboard is not a perfect solution.

Plenty of kids we know really seem to enjoy sailing with their parents, as long as they are also sailing with other kids as well. Having said that, we are lucky because we aim pretty much at the kids of windsurfers from the '80s. That's because it's a lot more efficient - the parents know how the sport works and you don't have to do the whole thing like telling them where to get roofracks, how to tie the board on, etc.

The sport was so big in the '80s, compared to today, that even if we get a small proportion of that generating turning their kids onto windsurfing then the sport will grow strongly once more, and then we can branch out into other areas.

Personally, I think worrying about "cool" is going about it the wrong way, for several reasons;

1 - kids often define their own "cool" - look at the whole way computer geeks became cool - and they are very aware of daggy attempts to create "cool".

2 - not all kids are into being cool and there's huge marketing efforts devoted to the kids who are worried about being cool. We can't match that, so why not chase the hundreds of thousands of kids who don't really care about their sport being cool OR who define "cool" their own way.

Anyway, anyone who is into "cool" must be a nightmare to market to, because they are always hunting something new.

3- Being "cool" or "extreme" isn't enough, and "cool" and "extreme" sports are often small. Yeah, lots of kids skate (but so what, it's not a new sport and lots of the '80s windsurfing generation skated) but more kids ride bikes and the other popular activities are (in order) soccer, dance, swimming and netball - hardly all uber-cool and definitely NOT extreme. (Aust Bureau stats figures). Look, for example, at dinghy sailing - it's much bigger than windsurfing despite not being "cool".

4 - Kids aren't all adrenalin junkies, - I'm always interested to see just how they behave just like we did when we were kids. They enjoy just sitting on their boards, talking and pushing each other in. And how can we expect the stereotyped computer nerd to go from sitting in front of a computer one day to relish getting smacked by a piledriving lip in 25 knots the next day? The

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
14 Aug 2011 12:21PM
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I was wondering about the price of windsurfing gear.

When I check prices in Oz or in europe, they are much more expensive than in my small country.

For example the new RRD firemove is retailed in france at 1800 euros while it is sold here for 1100 euros !!!

We have more taxes than nearly every other country, but we also are one of the largest windsurfing communities.

With a lot of demand and nearly all brands represented, dealers have to make an effort on prices in order to sell.
The same applies to sails from what I 've seen over the net.

Low prices (compared to overseas) and excellent conditions might explain why windsurf is growing here.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
14 Aug 2011 12:30PM
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Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd

qldnacra
QLD, 455 posts
14 Aug 2011 1:04PM
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From what i've heard mythbusters proved you can. I haven't seen the episode myself just heard about it from someone who watches it. But here's another one "you can't put brains in statues"

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
14 Aug 2011 1:04PM
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lotofwind said...

Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd


You'd know all about polishing turds.

However you are wrong again as Mythbusters recently proved.

ozpricey
WA, 333 posts
14 Aug 2011 1:55PM
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If people help out kids by passing on their old gear for cheap/free, are friendly in the carpark and helpful on the water the sport will grow.

Its too different (in cost and setup) to ever compare to surfing, but the level in waves and freestyle is so high now it has to grow.

The biggest hurdle is getting a rig and transporting it around when your a teen, if you want to help the sport spread the stoke and help the young crew out. Or grab your niece/nephew by the neck and give them a windsurf lesson! hehe

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
14 Aug 2011 4:34PM
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Mobydisc said...

lotofwind said...

Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd


You'd know all about polishing turds.

However you are wrong again as Mythbusters recently proved.


I guess the real question then would be, why would you want to polish this turd???

FormulaNova
WA, 14666 posts
14 Aug 2011 2:47PM
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lotofwind said...

Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd


Aww come on lotofwind. All you need to do is change your username and sail in a different place and you too can windsurf. There is no need to keep making out that you hate windsurfing when you really love it.

Most people don't bother to comment about things that they are ambivalent about, yet you keep on talking about windsurfing. It doesn't matter that you are unco.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
14 Aug 2011 5:07PM
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I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.

confused
NSW, 175 posts
14 Aug 2011 9:44PM
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lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.



As you say on your profile, 'full of ****'

jfunk
QLD, 255 posts
14 Aug 2011 10:14PM
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lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.


I have been watching kiteboarding for years, I was even the commentator at the Australian Champs once and it frustrates me, but it took me till today to work out why, I was watching some kiteboarding event from Argentina when it hit me. All your tricks and moves are only the movements of the kiter, not the kite. With windsurfing the dynamics and kinetics of the sailor and board together make it so much more specatular and challenging. Dont even get me started on the gentle landings from a jump. Clearly its a sport for the simpler type of human and given the ability of any Gen Yer I have had to work with, its probably the reason more of them kite than sailboard these days.

russh
SA, 3025 posts
14 Aug 2011 9:44PM
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lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.


Ahh yawn yawn

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
14 Aug 2011 10:15PM
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lotofwind said...

Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd

Wow, is that all the wisdom your mama left you with ?
And what turd was she referring to ??

confused
NSW, 175 posts
14 Aug 2011 10:32PM
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lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.


So, lotsofwind, maybe you need to put your money where you mouth is, we'll give you the benefit of waiting for a NEer, once it kicks in lets throw some kit your way and see how easy you find it :)

FormulaNova
WA, 14666 posts
14 Aug 2011 8:35PM
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lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.


I didn't say you hated windsurfing, but the way you seem to go on about it being for old guys suggests you might just be a little bit jealous.

Isn't that what kiting is all about? An easier sport for the oldies? The kite holds you up doesn't it and does the jumps for you? I have taken a few lessons now that I am getting older, and figure kiting can see me into retirement.

All these 'old guys' windsurfing have done the hard yards when they were younger. If you decide to take it up when you get old, you may not get there at all.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
14 Aug 2011 10:58PM
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FormulaNova said...

lotofwind said...

I dont hate windsurfing,dont know where you got that from?
I will probly take it up,if its still around,when I get old and need to take things a bit easier on the body.


Isn't that what kiting is all about? An easier sport for the oldies? The kite holds you up

LOL this is my standard reply, when asked by them on the beach when am I gonna switch: "when I'm too old to do sports."

But this is a lie really. I also would like to pick up macrame when real old. It's a close call...
Many years to think about it still. Meanwhile perhaps some other even easier gimmick will come out ?

Bondalucci
VIC, 1579 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:01PM
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Lotofwind, you need to stop contradicting yourself and become a man of your word.

ponyrider
NSW, 2 posts
14 Aug 2011 11:33PM
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Interesting thread. Well, my .10c is that I'm looking at coming back to the sport. I sailed as a 17 y.o. in the 80's and loved it. Took it up again in the mid 90's with some old equipment, mostly at Narrabeen Lakes, and even Iron Cove/Drummoyne for a bit. Now I'm once again wading through where the gear is at and trying to get a handle on it all before I rig up again.

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:07AM
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lotofwind said...

Sorry guys but You cant polish a turd


Yes you can.

lilme
6 posts
16 Aug 2011 5:41AM
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I would say where I'm from (North of Scotland) its increasing slightly. There is now a windsurfing club who teach anyone who wants with very low prices which possibly don't even cover the cost of equipment (I believe it was funded by government grant). This makes the sport very accessible to all who wish to try it out with no massive outlay. They also offer one off group taster sessions organised by a local council sponsored 'keep kids fit' quango. This introduces a large percent of secondary school age children to the sport. Locals are also aware of the sport as they can see people windsurfing on a fairly regular basis through the summer.

However despite the large numbers of young people trying the sport, and enjoying the session, very few actually stick with the lessons for any length of time. Over the summer whilst I have been learning (My first lesson was Mid June) 12 people have started learning and last week we only had 6 of us left!

I have always wanted to learn to windsurf since I was in primary school, I used to spend my summer holidays 'helping' to rig and de rig and watch windsurfers out on the water. However my parents would not let me learn as they believed it to be too dangerous. When I was old enough to leave home I didn't live near the coast. The when I was at Uni there was no clubs so I had no idea how or where to start. Its only now after Uni that I have been able to take up this sport.

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
16 Aug 2011 8:14AM
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I will disagree with you can't create cool. It's done everyday, from surfing and it's carefully crafted image through any other extreme sport.



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