Hi Y'all,
Anyone ridden / tested the JP Magic Ride.
It looks like my type of board to maybe make it easier for me to start doing gybe turns.
I am currently riding a JP Freestyle Wave 112lt.
I would be using Pryde Fusion sails, 5.5 and 6.1
I weigh about 78 kg.
Not sure if the 105 ? Or the 118 lt model would be best ?
Any feed back / comments / advice would be greatly appreciated. 
That's a pretty good board you have. I doubt you'll get an easier gybing board than a JP FSW (in the JP product range).
+1
Unless talking about non planing gybes, skipd you talking are about carve gybes I presume?
You should be able to flare gybe your current board with your weight with some practice (maybe a handful of sessions practice), but for non-planing stuff, the bigger the board, the better IMO.
^^^ agreed again
To learn non planing gybes means float. You need to learn to turn on a 140 - 200L board
OR do it the hard way and get your FSW planing flat out in straps and learn to carve gybe.
If committed and sailing 3x a week all summer the latter may work.
Else revert to method #1
Skipd. For most sailors, learning to gybe takes a very long time. It took me a season just to getting over the "oh my god, I'm going to die" experience of carving down wind over powered (although I was learning at that stage and getting my gear and rigging in order as well). I'm going through this process again learning my duck gybe. So, don't be put off with the goal and accept it's going to be a few years if you're an average windsurfer like me.
I've sailed one, a 104/68. They say these wider boards with lower volume are supposed to have more control over a higher volume board of the same width. I think this was true to an extent, but I felt it less controlled than as normal-width board of the same volume (say 104 litres 63 cm) in open water conditions. I didn't sail it enough to get a good picture of its gybing prowess, and the ride was pleasantly soft for a carbon board.
In my view the jury is still out on very wide lower volume boards, and there is no advantage in being an early adopter of this type. I'd say the board you have is more than ok, though you might benefit from a 68 wide freeride board if you want to accelerate your gybing development.
I would say 'carve gybe easiness' is more a factor of rail shape and rocker than the thickness to width ratio. IE wide for it's volume does not necessarily make for an easy going board (are Formula boards easy to learn a carve gybe on??)
We had easy gybing boards before and after the wide board revolution.
For learning carve gybes a FSW is THE SHAZZIZLE
Close second is a loose freeride or "3style"
Same as "wave-slalom" boards 20yrs ago were better than wave or slalom.
He needs a bigger board to learn to gybe on, and then after that to learn planing gybes he is already on the best there is. Like jn1 said - over a long time....
Hi Skipd,
I have a Magic ride 104 CArbon.
They have like every board I ever owned have +'s and -'s. What they do incredible well, is plan away on the lighter side of the wind range. You can use a sail one meter smaller than you normally would. Ie when I sail a 7.2 on a conventional 111ltr board I could use a 6.1 on the magic ride. 85- 89 kg rider. This could be attributed to the width 68 cm. It really is brilliant in this area. I have had a quick run with a 6.7 Fusion on it as well and it felt very balanced. ( didn't get much of a chance to test the bottom end with this sail as the wind increased )
Gybing is super easy, I haven't thought about it at all while riding it which would indicate there is nothing to notice; it just goes around nicely like any other board. Also great for a fast tacks.
The only difficulty I have is at the extreme top end of the board range. So when 6.1 Fusion is very overpowered ( should be on 5.6 and wave board ) the width then became an issue. In the chop it was starting to get a little unpredictable. The same conditions with a conventional 111 would have been very difficult.
In short it behaves like a 110-120 ltr conventional board while having a much lighter and smaller board feel for the same wind range.
I just changed a JP FSW 111 2013 for this board. They are very different. I think you would find the magic ride easier to learn gybes etc. Later on as you get more advanced get a FSW 84 or Wave 74 for your smaller rigs. Keep the magic ride for the lighter days. You live in WA.
Hope that helps.
B.
Thanks for all the feed back guys,
Looks like I will persist with FSW for a bit longer, I am fairl close to gybing, just more TOW.
I think I need to take my gybes wider a nd faster. I have probably been backing off speed a bit. If I were to get a magic ride I would probably keep the FSW wave to progress to ?
Getting the set up on the FSW has taken a while but I think I have it going pretty well now.
Ithanks again.
Santa came early and his Elves made a sweet JP Fun ride.
Got a good trade for FSW and some sweet talking to the better half.
First sail today, first run first attempt to gybe I nailed it. must have been a fluke as I only did the one but got pretty close on a few others.
The board went sweet, cruising through the lulls at Melville and so easy to get planing , turn and up wind. Super stable, spun out once but it recovered quickly and kept going.
Just as a note I got the 118 sailing with 6.1 sail, 40 free ride fin, my Sensai took it it out with a 7.1 I think and enjoyed.
Will try to get a 35 free ride fin.
All in all Totally stoked
Bah! learn to gybe on a pure slalom board at speed and then everything else will just feel like your driving a bus :)
Sailed Esperance Bay today on the Magic Ride , really quite bumpy and choppy and it went really nice, had 6.1 Fusion sail up and 36 Weedy wind speed prob about 18 to 20 knt , great spot to sail , up and down the beach , quite nice
While on this topic, I'm really struggling to do a good laydown gybe on my fanatic hawk 120 lt. I used to sail and still have my sputnik 270 and remember doing some really nice lay down gybes on it years ago. Are these newer shorter boards a lot harder to lay down or is it the extended break I had off sailing combined with old age to blame?
Must be the board, surely not old age. Sorry but not to familiar with Hawk Fanatic board.
Reading back over my post and I said Santa brought a Fun ride, Doh, I meant JP Magic Ride !!
The older boards where longer and hence needed to be put into a gybe pretty positively to come out of it dry, as there was much less flotation under the feet. The hawk is around 234 long and 124 litres and the Sputnik is 270 long and only 80 litres. Have fun on your magic ride. Have a look at Trictionary in iTunes (it's about 10 dollars) You can have a look on phone what you are doing right or wrong on your breaks and try to get a friend to video you gybing so you see what you are fairing.
Hi Y'all again, well I am still having fun on the Magic Ride. I have had a couple of really good sessions lately and have sailed longer . I bought a second hand 7.7 Hellcat sail which has been totally awesome. I am doing a couple of gybes a session now and even pulled off a couple of dodgy tacks.
I am having one issue which seems to be a reoccurring one for me. SPINOUT, I think it must happen to me a couple of times each sail, is this normal or do people manage to sail with no spin out ? I am sure it's not the board but operator error as my FSW did it as well.
If anyone has any insight into this issue I would read with great interest .
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Hi Y'all again, well I am still having fun on the Magic Ride. I have had a couple of really good sessions lately and have sailed longer . I bought a second hand 7.7 Hellcat sail which has been totally awesome. I am doing a couple of gybes a session now and even pulled off a couple of dodgy tacks.
I am having one issue which seems to be a reoccurring one for me. SPINOUT, I think it must happen to me a couple of times each sail, is this normal or do people manage to sail with no spin out ? I am sure it's not the board but operator error as my FSW did it as well.
If anyone has any insight into this issue I would read with great interest .
What fin and size are you using Skip ? After you get that right then its tuning and technique.
To follow up on what Haggar said you could be pushing too hard with your back foot on a fin that is the correct size to try to get upwind. Or your fin might be too small for the sail size.
Oops totally forgot to say that I just pulled the trigger on the magic ride 104. Hopefully will get on the water this weekend and we'll see how the gybes are after only holiday sailing for far too long. Thankfully I can tack cos I'm not fit enuff yet to spend too much time waterstarting. Which is why I went nuts and got an all carbon rig (ow!)
Thanks guys, I have increased sail size considerably so may a fin upgrade may be in order.
Aahh , any way good tip on fin
