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Just got my new board!

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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 7 Jan 2010
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 1:39PM
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Cripes put the Tabou 125 Rocket next to the old Free style wave & the older board looks like a gun slalom board compared to it! No wonder these new boards are stable! Has deck grip to kill but the area you use is padded..next problem is how to set up the footraps..heaps of holes..also i assume the screw supplied is for some sort of vent..?

Pugwash
WA, 7671 posts
7 Jan 2010 10:44AM
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Make sure the screws go into the screw holes... Miss, and it'll be, well, screwed

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
7 Jan 2010 1:48PM
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There should be a vent for that screw somewhere near the mast track. Make sure it goes in and stay in nice and snug. Theres plenty of debate on here about whether to take it in and out after each sail. Me personally, I dont bother, but I dont leave my boards out in the sun on the beach or in a hot car all day.

The Rocket seem like a great board. You will have a ball on it. Remember if you going to catapult hang onto the boom and go with it - it will save you putting a dent in your new boards nose. Trust me a new board with a dent isnt pretty

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
7 Jan 2010 12:04PM
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sboardcrazy said...

Cripes put the Tabou 125 Rocket next to the old Free style wave & the older board looks like a gun slalom board compared to it! No wonder these new boards are stable! Has deck grip to kill but the area you use is padded..next problem is how to set up the footraps..heaps of holes..also i assume the screw supplied is for some sort of vent..?



Foto's please

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
7 Jan 2010 3:32PM
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Hi,

yeah make sure the vent bolt is screwed in before you sail, otherwise the board is screwed.

With footstraps, Rockets have plenty of options. If you are not sure where to place them then screw them into the middle positions. From there you can see if you prefer them to be inboard or outboard. Outboard is generally used for hiking out and blasting. Inboard for more of an upright stance.

I hope you really like the Rocket. I enjoy sailing my two.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 4:30PM
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I 've decided to put the footstraps outboard ( even though I think Id find it easier inboard..learn correctly from the start, although if Im doing a lot of lightwind work maybe not..?) I also used the holes at the front of each option as i figure at 5'6" maybe I need that as I have a smaller stance..?
Re vent ..I will usually have the board stored on top of the car in a cover although tomorrow I have to go to a specialist appt so i was going to see if i could store it in the car..is it really a problem with the heat? How come all this stuff re vents these days.. Ive never heard of it with older boards? I hate having a new board at least the part where Im worried about wrecking it..No more beach starts with a 45? cm fin.. grr Ill have to waterstart like everyone else or uphaul..
Next problem will be how to carry it.. we have special cradles on top of the car for the kayaks & they are too narrow for the board.. I may have to put one of the older boards in first & then tie the new one on top of that..Oh what a lot of problems to have..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 5:39PM
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Ok Mineral -Here are some pics comparing the Hifly 258 with the new one..I wanted to take the Hiflys fin out so it was easier to see the difference easier but the screw is stripped. The difference is very obvious in the flesh. Tabou is the blue one.










AUS4
NSW, 1259 posts
7 Jan 2010 6:01PM
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sboardcrazy said...

Cripes put the Tabou 125 Rocket next to the old Free style wave & the older board looks like a gun slalom board compared to it! No wonder these new boards are stable! Has deck grip to kill but the area you use is padded..next problem is how to set up the footraps..heaps of holes..also i assume the screw supplied is for some sort of vent..?


Funny how you hadnt notice the vent on your old HiFly.

Watto5
WA, 87 posts
7 Jan 2010 3:07PM
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Nice board. Looks like inboard and outboard settings are pretty close though. Looking at where you have the straps on the Hifly, I'd agree with Mobydisc and try the inboard setting 1st.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
7 Jan 2010 5:08PM
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ooh ah.... luverly ....

The rude man logo is missing but being an artist you can paint one yourself :). Actually you'd think they'd give you those things as a decal to stick on if you wish.

Footraps :) (sic) forwards is probably ok but if you want to achieve blistering speed you should try them all the way back, the back ones anyway.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 6:31PM
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AUS4 said...

sboardcrazy said...

Cripes put the Tabou 125 Rocket next to the old Free style wave & the older board looks like a gun slalom board compared to it! No wonder these new boards are stable! Has deck grip to kill but the area you use is padded..next problem is how to set up the footraps..heaps of holes..also i assume the screw supplied is for some sort of vent..?


Funny how you hadnt notice the vent on your old HiFly.


I did as I was comparing them..oh well it hasnt died yet..at least I dont think so..?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 6:33PM
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Watto5 said...

Nice board. Looks like inboard and outboard settings are pretty close though. Looking at where you have the straps on the Hifly, I'd agree with Mobydisc and try the inboard setting 1st.


I ended up putting the front straps outboard settings 2nd last hole to the back & rear straps outboard not sure what holes..If I have trouble Ill change things..
Does it really make that much difference?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 6:36PM
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NotWal said...

ooh ah.... luverly ....

The rude man logo is missing but being an artist you can paint on yourself :). Actually you'd think they'd give you those things as a decal to stick on if you wish.

Footraps :) (sic) forwards is probably ok but if you want to achieve blistering speed you should try them all the way back, the back ones anyway.

What rude man logo? Have I been shortchanged..?[}:)]

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
7 Jan 2010 7:12PM
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sboardcrazy said...

What rude man logo? Have I been shortchanged..?[}:)]



Well yes I think so. Come to think of it I haven't seen that logo for ages. It was a neat little thing reminiscent of a tiki - a little man with gonads :)

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
7 Jan 2010 5:13PM
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flash as now, girlie
Process I follow, however each to his own in regards to the vent. Some never take them out.
I take board out of trailer, get Philips head for fin, tighten vent screw (just nip it tight, dont wrench on it), fit fin, fit base to mast track.
when I come back in, I take out mast base, loosen vent screw, take out fin, put board in trailer Vent screw washers I check about every month or so to clear any sand and or check rubber O ring condition. O rings you can get from shop or local hardware store. Never fit board bag until end of season, so the board doesnt sweat in the bag and go all gungy

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
7 Jan 2010 9:50PM
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Isn't the Tiki Man a Starboard graphic, not Tabou?

No Tabou's I've seen have a little rude man on them.

Rockets are sweet looking boards, the graphics have a certain style to them.

timford
NSW, 510 posts
7 Jan 2010 10:48PM
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mineral1 said...

flash as now, girlie
Process I follow, however each to his own in regards to the vent. Some never take them out.
I take board out of trailer, get Philips head for fin, tighten vent screw (just nip it tight, dont wrench on it), fit fin, fit base to mast track.
when I come back in, I take out mast base, loosen vent screw, take out fin, put board in trailer Vent screw washers I check about every month or so to clear any sand and or check rubber O ring condition. O rings you can get from shop or local hardware store. Never fit board bag until end of season, so the board doesnt sweat in the bag and go all gungy


hear hear

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
7 Jan 2010 11:09PM
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mineral1 said...

flash as now, girlie
Process I follow, however each to his own in regards to the vent. Some never take them out.
I take board out of trailer, get Philips head for fin, tighten vent screw (just nip it tight, dont wrench on it), fit fin, fit base to mast track.
when I come back in, I take out mast base, loosen vent screw, take out fin, put board in trailer Vent screw washers I check about every month or so to clear any sand and or check rubber O ring condition. O rings you can get from shop or local hardware store. Never fit board bag until end of season, so the board doesnt sweat in the bag and go all gungy

Ok so you dont have to take the screw out .. just tighten & loosen it.. that would be a bit dicier I maybe as you could glance at the board & think it was tight..?..Ive made BIG cardboard signs to stick everywhere to remind me until I get into the habit.. I have to put my board in its bag at the end of each sail as its tied on the roof & I dont want to damage it..If you left the zip a bit undone it would dry out wouldnt it?
Feel silly re not knowing about vents but Ive always bought 2nd hand & noone ever mentioned them to me..even this one the only reason I heard about them was on the forum.
The Tabou isnt the latest model its 2008 but it was still in its plastic bag in the crate.I might reset the footstraps more conservatively tomorrow as I wont be really powered up so ill have a more upright stance.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
8 Jan 2010 1:16AM
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Here are a few Mad Cows (circa 02 03) sporting the rude man logo.



decrepit
WA, 12161 posts
7 Jan 2010 11:41PM
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The trouble with just loosening the vent, is the #@%$$ thing can come right out while traveling, I've lost a couple that way. (But if it's in a bag, you should be able to find it again)
The other problem with vents is sand getting into the hole and stopping a good seal as well as abrading the rubber "O" ring.

Some boards manage to survive not having the "O" ring undone, but a lot of others have been destroyed, (the pressure inside blows them up causing de-lamination of the bottom).
That nice blue of yours will probably get hot in the sun, I'd make sure the screw is undone unless it's in the water.

The other thing with front and back footstrap position, I think it's better for light sailors to have them back and heavy sailors to have them forward. It's about the board's attitude, light forward means the board sits too flat, and there's more board in the water slowing it down, gives it a "sticky feel". Heavy too far back means the nose rides too high, making the board "push water" again slowing it down.

Having them outboard means you have control over a bigger fin, in fact you need a bigger fin to stop the windward rail sinking.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
8 Jan 2010 8:31AM
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decrepit said...

The trouble with just loosening the vent, is the #@%$$ thing can come right out while traveling, I've lost a couple that way. (But if it's in a bag, you should be able to find it again)
The other problem with vents is sand getting into the hole and stopping a good seal as well as abrading the rubber "O" ring.

Some boards manage to survive not having the "O" ring undone, but a lot of others have been destroyed, (the pressure inside blows them up causing de-lamination of the bottom).
That nice blue of yours will probably get hot in the sun, I'd make sure the screw is undone unless it's in the water.

The other thing with front and back footstrap position, I think it's better for light sailors to have them back and heavy sailors to have them forward. It's about the board's attitude, light forward means the board sits too flat, and there's more board in the water slowing it down, gives it a "sticky feel". Heavy too far back means the nose rides too high, making the board "push water" again slowing it down.

Having them outboard means you have control over a bigger fin, in fact you need a bigger fin to stop the windward rail sinking.

Ill have to cover it when its on the " beach". The board will be in a mystic bag normally so the blue colour shouldnt be a problem.I know what you mean by losing the plug.. I loosened the one on the Hifly for the first time ever this am..took the fin out & when I turned it over the plug was gone.. luckily it was easy to find on the grass..Ive taken it & put it in the car dash + put a big cardboard sign " vent" inside the board bag as it may be a while before I use the Hifly again.I changed the footstraps to a more conservative setting on the new board. All of them inboard & second hole from the back .Looks like I might get to test its light wind stability this pm as its only 10 -15kts at Nobbys so prob be buggerall on the lake..

Leman
VIC, 672 posts
8 Jan 2010 8:53AM
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Grats on your new board! Look forward to hearing about your first session.

Old Salty
VIC, 1271 posts
8 Jan 2010 10:16AM
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Board looks very slick sbc. Buttons and pedals will be in different positions though. Have fun

CROWEMAN
VIC, 268 posts
8 Jan 2010 12:02PM
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mineral1 said...

flash as now, girlie
Never fit board bag until end of season, so the board doesnt sweat in the bag and go all gungy


This got me thinking - never heard this before. I picked up a new Futura in November with a Pro-Limit bag - sits on top of the car. Are you suggesting that boards shouldn't be left in the bag after a session and allowed to 'breath'?

Bondalucci
VIC, 1579 posts
8 Jan 2010 12:56PM
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Nice board SBC,

Here's another idea incase you run out of cardboard,

- Some people (with the right sized vent screw and mast base) are able to remove the vent screw, turn it upside down, and lock it into their mast base, when the board is out of the water. The beauty of this is that next time you go sailing, you can't insert the uni until you have taken the vent screw out of the mast base.

-It's like a forced reminder to do your vent screw up

...and my 2 cents,
- I agree with the guys saying to start with the straps inboard. To enjoy the board as mush as possible in your first few goes you want to minimize the differences to what you're used to. It will feel foreign enough getting into the straps after the Hyfly without having the straps way out on the rail. There's time for that later!

Have fun on the new board.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
8 Jan 2010 10:35AM
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CROWEMAN said...

mineral1 said...

flash as now, girlie
Never fit board bag until end of season, so the board doesnt sweat in the bag and go all gungy


This got me thinking - never heard this before. I picked up a new Futura in November with a Pro-Limit bag - sits on top of the car. Are you suggesting that boards shouldn't be left in the bag after a session and allowed to 'breath'?


Na, on top of car should be OK, lots of air flwo to dry. Mine goes inside a closed in trailer, so not much air flow. Its well protected on two padded support rails, and gets a chance to dry out the foot straps. The standard silver coated liner JP board bags don’t let too much in or out so moisture stays inside the bag for some time, so any board breathing with temp changes inside the bag will drag in moist air to internals of board. Once its got moisture in there, its a bugger to get out.
But as I said, each to their own on what we do in regards to vent screws and board bags.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
8 Jan 2010 2:05PM
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My Tabou Rockets generally stay in their bags when not in use and live inside my van. I sometimes undo the vent screw but not that often and after two years they are still okay. Usually before going out for a sail I'll undo the vent bolt and leave it for a while and then put it back in before getting on the water.

The board bags are nornally not completely zippered up so a bit of air can get in the bag. The boards are normally rinsed in fresh water before being packed up.



sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
8 Jan 2010 8:27PM
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Leman said...

Grats on your new board! Look forward to hearing about your first session.

Couldnt really call it a session.. Ill post the first decent sail I get but for now Ill just copy an email about todays sail that I sent to David of Gybe Sports where I got the board..


"Sailed today..good test of lightwind performance as it was about 5 -8kts occ 9/10 but not long enough to get going..Usually I wouldn’t bother but I HAD to use the new board..Only had a 5.7 so there wasn’t enough pull in the sail to use it to balance against except for the occasional gust.I used the harness as my arms are whimpy.Found it tiring as we were wobbling a bit in the slop & boat wakes but good. Didn’t get planning or near the straps..standing up near the mast foot. I found the guy crib upwind technique Ive been using on my other board didn’t work but I think that was just because there wasn’t enough wind as when it picked up I could hang my weight of & angle the rig upright to windward a bit. In lighter winds I found I had to unhook & lean the rig back & pull it on to get upwind..still Im not used to it yet. Went upwind good considering, I think once were planning it will be great. Only muffed 1 gybe as tired..I think the problem is going to be that its so forgiving ( I was doing terrible gybes and a few tacks & still surviving ) that I wont know whats hit me when I get back on my waveboard.. Ill have some bad habits I think..Great for uphauling- I especially like the fact that it has padding where you climb on so my waist harness hook doesn’t damage the deck..I was avoiding practicing uphauling on my other board because everytime I did it got new scratches."

Cant wait to get it to planning conditions & I hope I can handle it up to 20kts as I don’t want to go back to my old gear..!
IM thinking of getting a JP nose protector setup just in case..
The big cardboard " vent" signs worked to remind me of the vents. Do you have to take them out or just loosen? Also if I loose one is it easy to get replacements?
Bye



sboardcrazy
NSW, 8021 posts
8 Jan 2010 8:29PM
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Mobydisc said...

My Tabou Rockets generally stay in their bags when not in use and live inside my van. I sometimes undo the vent screw but not that often and after two years they are still okay. Usually before going out for a sail I'll undo the vent bolt and leave it for a while and then put it back in before getting on the water.

The board bags are nornally not completely zippered up so a bit of air can get in the bag. The boards are normally rinsed in fresh water before being packed up.





David Of Gybe sports says -
About 3 years ago a lot of the board makers were having a couple of problems, one was a blistering of the pain on the bottom of the board that did not seem to have any reason. And the other was a popping of the laminates on the bottom after long periods of storage. After a lot of research by Cobra who make 90% of boards they found that when a board is a in a bag wet and gets to a temp of between 50-60 degrees in the bag, the pressure inside the board tends to leach out moisture on the skin of the board,, Epoxy resin and glass fiber is not 100% impervious to water vapour, nothing really is, plastic materials like abs are even worse for this. They found the moisture would form under the skin of the paint. There is a chemical and physical reaction going on here called osmotic potential that involves both a the moisture, heat and pressure difference between inside and outside of the boards.

2 things were noted.
1 if the plug was undone, releasing the internal pressure of the board, this would equalise the difference in both humidity and pressure.
2 if the board and bag was dry it would not occur either. So I recommend to my customers taking a towel and drying down the board before you put it in the bag after sailing.

I stress though that this is only the case in very extreme conditions, there are many boards sitting in the hot sun all day in schools from the Arab states to the med that last for 3-5 years so I wouldn't be too concerned.


jewelray
22 posts
11 Jan 2010 12:09PM
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nice thread here.
i'm just new in this sports, and this thread really works for me.
It feeds my mind..
thanks

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
11 Jan 2010 12:40PM
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re vent screws
after sailing boards without them for years I have had a couple of mishaps where I have forgotten to put them in until out on the water. Shock! Horror! Guilt. Quick trip back to shore to put in the screw.

What I do now: After each sail I undo the screw and put it into a little cloth drawstring bag which I attach to my front footstrap with a red pipecleaner.
It is so obvious I can't forget to put the screw in before each sail, and the screw can't fall out during transport.
I'm told it looks really girly but it works.



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