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Created by Leech > 9 months ago, 13 Nov 2007
pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
16 Nov 2007 5:43PM
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DL said...

Ugly pills?

I am actually taking beauty pills. You should have seen me before...


Oops! Sorry. It's just that I thought from the photo and all,... ummm, well you know,... you're a fine looking lad and all but,.... ummmm, .

Damm. Now I just hate myself.

CJW
NSW, 1717 posts
18 Nov 2007 12:14AM
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My summary of the two sports:

Kiting:

Pros
- Good moderate wind fun (15kts) (can boost big air etc)
- Gear is easy to transport
- Easy to attain a high skill level

Cons
- Limited tricks. As I see it there are about 4 tricks: the boost, the boost with spin, boost with handle pass and the kiteloop). The rest are just small variations of the same thing in reverse or a combination of the above.
- Takes up a lot of space
- Banned at a lot of breaks


Windsurfing:

Pros
- Speed
- Wavesailing
- The variety of tricks. Kiters will argue this point, however, the variety of the tricks in kiting does not even come close to windsurfing even if you don't include the freestyle windsurfing tricks invented in the last 5 years.

Cons
- Gear is a pain to transport
- Light wind performance (i'd argue this, I can plane in 10kts easily however it requires big gear and you can only basically go fast...still fun though).
- Hard to attain a high skill level, very difficult to learn the tricks
- Need 20kts+ to get the best out of the waves imo.

At the end of the day the list above is written from a windsurfers perspective as I'm totally addicted but I see the good points of both sports. At my local breaks i'm usually the only windsurfer with about 5 kites and we always have a laugh and give each other **** over our respective choice of sports. I respect their choice to kite as they do mine...although they are always saying 'when will you get a kite' :P I've never tried kiting, however there is still too much for me to accomplish in windsurfing before I move on. There is nothing I love more than smacking a fat lip or busting a big forward or pushloop. Plus there are so many freestyle tricks to learn...so hard though :(

Both sports have their place, everyone makes their choice, I just love windsurfing too much to give it up despite sometimes loathing those conditions when its just too light to plane. The next wave I catch those thoughts are forgotten :D

Capt.Gumby
VIC, 344 posts
18 Nov 2007 1:14AM
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"But for the guys who think we should change over because it's getting so popular, remember the number of gays is increasing, but I'm not trying that either"

Not what I have heard Firie Bob

I shouldn't enter into a debate on a windsurfing forum being a kiter as I am just asking for it, but have to add my two cents......

I spent a quite a few years on the poley and then changed to the dark side as many kiters have and have an appreciation of both sides. I did so because the conditions at our local spot IMO are better suited to kiting as I (and other local kiters) seem to be on the water and planning more often than the poleys. I have certainly had more sessions as kiter in the past 5 years than I would have as a poley.

Still, I do miss those off the wind speed runs that can be done with control on the poley. Try and do the same on the kite to keep up with a mate on the poley and in even the smallest amount of chop and it always end up in disaster, a huge ball of spray as I kiss my arse in a tumbling mess as he flys past laughing


evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
18 Nov 2007 2:14AM
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"Oh, there's a guy up there look!"



NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
18 Nov 2007 1:41AM
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Yeah CJW, looks like you forgot to mention under kiting "pros" cheap air travel. Don't go kiting without your ruby slippers.

CJW
NSW, 1717 posts
18 Nov 2007 12:37PM
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Yeah well that goes hand in hand with easy to transport :D


That said I've taken my wave stuff on Virgin Blue a few times no probs, never cost me anything. Overseas would be a different story though I guess.

kanacuk
WA, 3 posts
1 Dec 2007 8:01PM
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peto said...

I dont know why kiters even go out in the surf, they cant ride waves for poo compared to windsurfing. Every time i see a kiter do a jump (float) in the surf it looks pathetic. The stuff kites do on flat water looks way better than in the surf. Stick to the lakes and ****off from the surf kites!


Have a look... and it's an old video...


mrbonk
NSW, 483 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:22AM
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CJW said...

Windsurfing:

Pros
- The variety of tricks. Kiters will argue this point, however, the variety of the tricks in kiting does not even come close to windsurfing even if you don't include the freestyle windsurfing tricks invented in the last 5 years.


Such as?

EDIT: I'll elaborate on why I ask. 99% of the windsurfing I've seen around here is straight line speed runs and a jibe at either end. A lot of the guys I've seen don't even jibe....they fall off at the end of the run and man-handle the gear around into the other direction to get going again.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:38AM
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Weeelll Mr Bonk, while you're not looking they're popping vulcans n willy skippers n body drags, n duck gybes n duck tacks n air tacks n hass tacks n backwinded tacks n diablos n lollypops n chachos n spocks n flakas n geckos n stopits n cowboys n 360s n speed loops n ponches n several hundred other things. Only you weren't looking. Those guys that were falling off were probably just learning the next trick.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
2 Dec 2007 1:16AM
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naaah, that stuff only happens in movies notwal, and its all computer generated special FX

anyway, why does everyone keep comparing windsurfing and kitesurfing with surfing? windsurfing and kitesurfing is way betterer than surfing and from all the best footage of kitesurfing and best footage of windsurfing in waves, IMO the best of the winsurfing is still the most impressive stuff I've ever seen out of everything on the water

Mobydisc
NSW, 9027 posts
2 Dec 2007 8:46AM
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mrbonk said...

EDIT: I'll elaborate on why I ask. 99% of the windsurfing I've seen around here is straight line speed runs and a jibe at either end. A lot of the guys I've seen don't even jibe....they fall off at the end of the run and man-handle the gear around into the other direction to get going again.


Thats probably due two reasons. One; because windsurfing is more difficult to do, as has been mentioned above. Two; the average windsurfer isn't into tricks and stuff. They might be older and have no need to get rad.


Fact is in windsurfing, planing and going in a straight line is fun. Locked down and blasting is great and for many people thats all they want.

Doing the same on a kitesurfer would be boring.

There is no rule saying you have to do tricks or whatever.

Personally I first saw a kitesurfer in 1997 on the Gold Coast Broadwater. It was a very strong southerly wind and the guy was getting blown all over the place while I was having fun with my 4.4 sail. The kitesurfer was lucky not to get killed and ended up miles downwind. It looked dangerous and out of control.

Since then I've seen kitesurfing pick up during my windsurfing hiatus. The main thing I was interested in was how they gybe, which looks pretty simple. Having all that lift would be fun so if you enjoy that, good for you.





ma
NSW, 371 posts
2 Dec 2007 11:57AM
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kanacuk said...

peto said...

I dont know why kiters even go out in the surf, they cant ride waves for poo compared to windsurfing. Every time i see a kiter do a jump (float) in the surf it looks pathetic. The stuff kites do on flat water looks way better than in the surf. Stick to the lakes and ****off from the surf kites!


Have a look... and it's an old video...




yea but my dick is bigger than yours

Trouble
NSW, 193 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:31PM
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i used to windsurf years ago, way back then there were some great guys and some total tools. I have stopped windsurfing and now kitesurf. guess what, there are some grat guys and some total tools. seems like nothing much has changed except there are more people on the water now.

As for the hole surfing debate, i dont think it looks that great but spending a few hours trying to smash waves as well as i can is awesome.

I would also like to add that when in the waves i try to stay clear of surfers an d windsurfers as much as possible. especially the surfers.


mrbonk
NSW, 483 posts
2 Dec 2007 12:39PM
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Mobydisc said...

Thats probably due two reasons. One; because windsurfing is more difficult to do, as has been mentioned above. Two; the average windsurfer isn't into tricks and stuff. They might be older and have no need to get rad.

Fact is in windsurfing, planing and going in a straight line is fun. Locked down and blasting is great and for many people thats all they want.


Interesting that 'the variety of tricks' was cited as a 'pro' of windsurfing then.

Anyway, it's a moot point for me. Some of the best footage I've seen of *any* wind/water sport has to be the windsurf guys carving it up in big winds and huge surf. It looks mighty impressive and undoubtedly takes some pretty big kahunas to pull up into mast-height+ waves with 30kts of wind behind you. However, the reality for me is that we just don't get those conditions here. Even when it *is* blowing 25+kts here, all we get is rolling ocean swell with a very marginal shore break

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
2 Dec 2007 1:43PM
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yea but my dick is bigger than yours



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ma
NSW, 371 posts
3 Dec 2007 8:12PM
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qwerty
NSW, 807 posts
3 Dec 2007 9:02PM
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hey MA, is that the aerial I landed? Can't remember. I got a few like that in that session

ma
NSW, 371 posts
3 Dec 2007 9:22PM
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yea thats you Ralph

CJW
NSW, 1717 posts
3 Dec 2007 10:15PM
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mrbonk said...Interesting that 'the variety of tricks' was cited as a 'pro' of windsurfing then.

Anyway, it's a moot point for me. Some of the best footage I've seen of *any* wind/water sport has to be the windsurf guys carving it up in big winds and huge surf. It looks mighty impressive and undoubtedly takes some pretty big kahunas to pull up into mast-height+ waves with 30kts of wind behind you. However, the reality for me is that we just don't get those conditions here. Even when it *is* blowing 25+kts here, all we get is rolling ocean swell with a very marginal shore break


I mean I only added what I considered my pros and cons, other might have a different interpretation. Like I said also the list does come from a windsurfers perspective.

I think the reason you don't see many people doing tricks etc is because of the shear difficulty of them. As an example of the difficulty level between the two sports, i've seen someone with no windsurfing or sailing experience start kiting and over 2 seasons become a highly accomplished kiter, all the twirly tricks, kite loops etc. Now there is no way the same can be done in windsurfing. Over a season the average person would be lucky to pull off a carve jybe by the end of it. To learn the harder tricks requires extreme dedication, a lot of practice and a lot of patience which most people just don't have.

I think that is one of the real advantages of kiting is that people can really quickly see their progress and get something out of the sport, where with windsurfing a lot of people get frustrated and give up.

I agree that kiting is probably more suited to the average conditions we get here on the east coast as you need good wind to really get teh best out of windsurfing imo. There's a place for both sports, both have their appeal, I just prefer windsurfing...that's me :D

As for the variety of tricks, go check out www.continentseven.com Variety is the key word.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
3 Dec 2007 9:16PM
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nothin liftin jason up-and-away to safety followed up by a dangly landing

fullmoon
WA, 314 posts
3 Dec 2007 9:49PM
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In response to Mr Bonk,a speed run followed by a jibe at the other end?
WHAT,there's another end? I've been looking for a year now and haven't found it yet,and jibe involves a catapult type manouver,yes?
Seriously though I like the co-operation between poleys and kiters at pelli point,lots of kites and boards and it seems to me only learner poleys end up in the kite area and only the really good kiters seem to enter the poleys run.
I figure most kiters realise the poleys in there area are struggling and make allowances to suit,and the kiters further upwind have the skill to negotiate the traffic jam.
Everybody seems to get along really well 99.9%of the time anyway.Love the sport and enjoy it agro free.Keep it up everyone.

mrbonk
NSW, 483 posts
4 Dec 2007 10:42AM
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fullmoon said...

Everybody seems to get along really well 99.9%of the time anyway.Love the sport and enjoy it agro free.Keep it up everyone.


Ditto at my spot. When both disciplines are out on the water, everyone just seems to get on. Even at Easter time when there's a *lot* of traffic on the water, I don't see any aggro. I *do* see the kiting noobs getting in the way from time to time, but the WS guys seem to realise and give them room. Same as when I see a WS guy on a kick@ss speed run, I just give him room and admire the pace as he whips past



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