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Noobie just bought some cheap kit.. whaddya recon?

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Created by monkeyrelish > 9 months ago, 3 Jun 2012
monkeyrelish
QLD, 7 posts
3 Jun 2012 5:06PM
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Hi all,

Been thinking of getting into windsurfing for a while but never bit the bullet..

Well I have just gone and done what all the experienced riders on these pages suggest that a noob shouldn't.

Yep, I went & bought a complete kit, board, sail, mast, harness etc for $100

How cheap is that.. Now I know what your all going to say, boards/sails have improved a great deal in recent years I should have just stumped up for a newer better kit..

But times are tough and the Minister for War & Finance is hard to convince in handing over the necessary approvals (and cash)..

So anyway to cut to the chase, my question is this.. I have looked pretty damn thoroughly around the net but cannot find any reference to the board that I have.

On the board is a sticker saying Sailboards New Zealand (87 barrys point rd takapuna) Painted in big letters is Omega2 and further stickers Brut33, Faberge etc..
Board is around 2.9m. Is anyone familiar with this board/board maker and what I can expect from it.. I guess picture would help.. will work on that one...

I think it's a bit of a dinosaur, BUT if I get out on it and use it I just might be able to put forward a decent case for an upgrade..

Any help is appreciated..

Cheers

BarryFawkes
NSW, 148 posts
3 Jun 2012 6:57PM
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Ed the point is weather or not the gear is usable so many people have tried and given up because of crap gear. Where do you live if near a club they may have a good learner board you can use Our club has a starboard start for beginners and are more than happy to teach a newby . I think other clubs would be the same or you could pay for lessons if no club near you . If you get through the initial stage you will find it a GREAT sport and a group of people who will help you any way they can

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
3 Jun 2012 5:07PM
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Hey don't knock the old gear, I learnt on a $200 ebay special which gave me way more than $200 of enjoyment...

My concern with your gear is size. How big is it? If it's less than 140 litres or so, you will struggle to get past the uphaul and fall off stage.

As you say, a picture will help a lot.

buckles
VIC, 107 posts
3 Jun 2012 7:11PM
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You'll be right. I taught myself on an old wally and continued using it for 20yrs. It takes a bit of detirmination but once upon a time, all those old boards and sails were new kit and that was all people had to learn on. If it couldn't be done, the sport would have died out before it began. I've only just bought anything modern a few months ago and I'm loving it, but I'm keeping the old wally too. :)

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
3 Jun 2012 7:32PM
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There is a big difference between a Wally and what sounds like an 80s slalom board when trying to learn windsurfing.

I think the Omega boards were designed by Tom Luedecke, pre Bombora and the orthagonal concept.

It may be possible to learn on such a board but it won't be as easy as learning on either a Wally or a modern learner board thats over a meter wide and has a centreboard.

If it is an old slalom board then learning will be easier if you fit some sort of fin in the centre to give the board a bit of directional stability.




Mark _australia
WA, 22285 posts
3 Jun 2012 6:58PM
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Could be a little hard to learn on, will be about 120L and lateral stability will be about nil

If you got a rig with it though, you can probably get a free learner's board (20kg of plastic thing, of any kind) to learn the basics on and then after a few sessions on that use the board you have now.

buckles
VIC, 107 posts
3 Jun 2012 11:26PM
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Mobydisc said...

Tom Luedecke, ........... and the orthagonal concept.


Oh ok, that makes a lot of difference. I had one of those orthagonal concept bomboras (see profile pic) and sold it to contribute to the JP. It was a four letter C word of a thing to ride with an old rig. If he's bought something like that then yeah, it's not going to be a good learning board. I had the sence to knock back learners when I sold mine but I guess others might take an easy sale.

I'd love to see a photo of what this board is exactly.

buckles
VIC, 107 posts
3 Jun 2012 11:38PM
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Does the board look more like picture A.



or picture B?


pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
4 Jun 2012 2:34AM
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1 little pic = 1000 utterances.

There's degrees of goodness (for the buck) and badness for old gear.
Post a pic or two.

monkeyrelish
QLD, 7 posts
4 Jun 2012 12:02PM
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Wow.. thanks for all the responses.. much appreciated...

Some useful comments, glad to find a forum where people don't just bag every post.. thoughtful responses make all the difference

I did think on looking at the board that it might be a little harder to learn on not having a centerboard.. but well I'm a sucker for punishment so I may as well give it a go.. I guess the big issue could come from wet starts until my balance gets pretty good.

Anyway I have attached a few pics.. all the kit seems in serviceable condition, bit of mildew here and there, but the important bits look OK.

So here's the 1000 words..









Sail was made by Steve Rushton Sail Makers and the mastbase and extension by Surfco.. harness(not shown) is suffering a little mildew rot, but should be usable..

I am only about 200m from the Beach in Toogoom (Just out of Hervey Bay QLD) so once I have fabricated a trolley i'll head down the beach and make a fool of myself

I have done a little bit of sailing in the past, mainly acting as ballast for a mates 18ft skif (racing the odd weekend) and on same blokes 30ft cruising yacht. So hopefully some of the sailing bits will come back to me and it may make the learning process a little quicker.. no guarantees though.. Now all I can think about is seeing if there is a breeze blowing :) normally I'm cursing the wind...

So anyway.. don't hold back positive comments and constructive criticism welcome

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
4 Jun 2012 12:12PM
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I reckon that's a $100 well spent You'll get more than your moneys worth with enjoyment (and some frustration...lol), and when ya get the basics of tacking, slo mo gybes, beach starts etc kinda sorted (maybe in 3 months or so), flog it off, get ya $100 back and look into a modernish board around 130 odd litres and a nice 5.5 meter (give or take) sail and enjoy round two- it only gets better after to "making a fool of ya self" stage.

Is there any grip on the deck? It looks like it would be super slippery?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
4 Jun 2012 12:30PM
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First thing to do is to work out a way to fit a centre fin to the board if you want to make learning a bit easier with this gear. The centre fin will give a bit of lateral stability and make it easier to get going in a forward direction, rather than going sideways once you get the sail out of the water.

It won't have to be the most hydro dynamic centrefin design as you won't be going all that fast.


Mark _australia
WA, 22285 posts
4 Jun 2012 2:18PM
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Mobydisc said...

First thing to do is to work out a way to fit a centre fin to the board if you want to make learning a bit easier with this gear. The centre fin will give a bit of lateral stability and make it easier to get going in a forward direction, rather than going sideways once you get the sail out of the water.

It won't have to be the most hydro dynamic centrefin design as you won't be going all that fast.





You can make up a centreboard with a bit of 3 ply cut to fin shape about 40cm x 15-20cm. Brush it all up well with fibreglass resin from Bunnings. ($10). Use 2 bits of 25x25 aluminium angle about 15cm long - one each side of the fin - to glue it to the bottom of the board, or use double sided tape so it is removable each session.

But considering how many old beginner's boards go to the tip you'd be able to find a free one.

That rig will be good enough for learning, looks like good condition for age but keep an eye out for any splits at the bottom of the mast.

ploppy
QLD, 167 posts
4 Jun 2012 4:52PM
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Hi Ed
Welcome to the world of windsurfing it is great fun.
I sail from Torquay,Hervey Bay,(2nd groyne from the pier),
everyday that there is enough wind.
There is also quite a few others who sail here as well,you are
most welcome to join us or even just to stop and pick
our limited brains.

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
4 Jun 2012 3:05PM
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Looks like a good deal for $100!
Not exactly the best gear for learning on but you'll get there if you have good persistence and good balance. If possible get someone to teach you how to beach start straight off rather than uphaul starts which will be difficult on that board.

Alternatively see if you can pick up a big board.

fanatic02
NSW, 300 posts
4 Jun 2012 5:31PM
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Hi Ed , your weight will be a defining point , that board will be hard to ride if you are a bigger person

BarryFawkes
NSW, 148 posts
4 Jun 2012 7:31PM
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Ed try to meet up with darryl or other experienced sailboarders in your area a few tips will go a long way they dont steer like a boat Good luck

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7969 posts
5 Jun 2012 5:29PM
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BarryFawkes said...

Ed try to meet up with darryl or other experienced sailboarders in your area a few tips will go a long way they dont steer like a boat Good luck


And are 'wobblyer' and wetter too..

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
5 Jun 2012 8:27PM
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Interesting rig... never seen such a sail before...

Just make sure you don't go out on an offshore wind... you got Buckley's of making it back on that board.

Onshores and side-shore will be OK for learning.

Have fun !

DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
5 Jun 2012 8:34PM
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Were the Saw trestle (saw horses) included for the $100 .... If so it was a bargain!

Chris 249
NSW, 3301 posts
5 Jun 2012 10:23PM
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Nice looking board!

As Mark suggests, now look around for an older longboard to learn on and sail in light winds. Best of both worlds.

busterwa
3777 posts
5 Jun 2012 8:32PM
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Hows the golden retriever buckles what a beautiful dog hey !!!!!!! love em

monkeyrelish
QLD, 7 posts
8 Jun 2012 6:04PM
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ploppy said...

Hi Ed
Welcome to the world of windsurfing it is great fun.
I sail from Torquay,Hervey Bay,(2nd groyne from the pier),
tee hee he said groyne but seriously thanks for the invite, might have to look you up some time to ask a few questions and see how it's done..

I have read through the responses and there's definitely some food for thought.

As I am 6'2" and the wrong end of 80kg it seems the board maybe a little small, especially since I am inexperienced. Will still give it a go and keep an eye out for a beginners board also..

The centerboard idea may be a goer.. I have been thinking about how I might fit one without ruining the board.. but I guess for $100 it doesn't really matter if I stuff it.. I don't think that slalom is my long term objective once experienced, just a nice cruise & bit of playing around. There's not much in the way of waves around here so wave riding is pretty much out.

Maybe try first with the double sided tape and some ally angles to some ply as suggested. I guess glassing in a centerboard mount is not worth the time and hassle particularly as the board is vac formed.

pierrec45
said... Just make sure you don't go out on an offshore wind... you got Buckley's of making it back on that board.
Now that is a good idea, I do like the thought of sailing across to Fraser Island.. but not being able to get back might be a bit of an issue

DrJ said.. Were the Saw trestle (saw horses) included for the $100 .... If so it was a bargain!

Unfortunately not.. still can't complain with the deal I got tho

Right so I have the makings of a trolly(don't have roof racks yet) now so hopefully soon I will be dragging the kit down the beach for a red hot go.. luckily the water here is not too deep so if I time it right I should be able to stand up when I fall off

Thanks heaps for the replies everyone.. will keep you informed on my progress.. Ohh and if you see on the news something about a windsurfer getting blown out to sea & ending up in Noumea it wasn't me OK

ohh and yes that golden retriever is a nice looking dog

buckles
VIC, 107 posts
8 Jun 2012 8:49PM
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busterwa said...

Hows the golden retriever buckles what a beautiful dog hey !!!!!!! love em


He's at my feet, sleeping off his dinner. He's 2 and a half now so quite a bit bigger at 39kg but definately beautiful, happy and admired by all. Best dog I've ever had.

monkeyrelish, give it a go. It looks like you're going to struggle a bit but at 80ish kg you should float on it. For $100 you've got nothing to lose bar your pride and dignity. If you're prepared for regular dunkings and detirmined to learn then you'll manage to figure it out. Keep an eye out for a cheap larger board while you're learning with what you've got and keep this one too.

If you can find others willing to lend some time and advice you'll be ok. I'm going to be in hervey bay sometime in September so I'll be keeping an eye out for that rig.

Willy Sailor
242 posts
9 Jun 2012 12:47PM
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Welcome

i am about 4 months in front of you

I did the same thing - $100 eBay kit , feel in love with windsurfing and brought a better kit

The first thing you will notice with windsurfing -

1.Seabreeze is great , so many friendly and helpful guys
2.It Bloody expensive to learn lol


after 1 month i brought a 80 viper -
personally my 80 cm wide viper feel just as stable as my $100 eBay board * 65cm*
but with 2nd had sail it made a huge different



Best tip -
1. get out with some local guys
2. Ask question
3. Hopefully someone can show you how to set it up the sail
4. Wet suit , GET OUT and smile

oh weed fins help a lot if you're in a weedy lake

monkeyrelish
QLD, 7 posts
10 Jun 2012 7:16PM
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Righto.. bit of an update...

No I haven't been out on the water, terrible weather here this weekend. So I have been in the shed making a cart so that I can drag my kit the few hundred meters from home to the beach.

Started with a broken pram from the local dump shop and after a bit of cutting, drilling and welding I have a suitable cart. Now just need some foam to wrap around the tubes to cushion the board.





Seems to work OK will use a jockey strap to hold the sailbag and mast to the board and another strap at the pointy end and I can hold onto the mast as a handle.

Only thing I have to do is check fin clearance, and adjust as necessary I could take the fin off for transport but would rather have less things to do down the beach and less chance of losing fin screws etc..

So all in all pretty happy for about $5 in bits and a few things I already had in the shed I recon it's turned out OK.

DASZIP
SA, 135 posts
10 Jun 2012 7:40PM
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Nice job should serve you well. Just a thought regarding fin clearence, couldn't you just turn it over and point it in the air. Maybe easier than removing it or making further enhancements. Enjoy.

monkeyrelish
QLD, 7 posts
10 Jun 2012 8:15PM
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DASZIP said...

Nice job should serve you well. Just a thought regarding fin clearence, couldn't you just turn it over and point it in the air. Maybe easier than removing it or making further enhancements. Enjoy.


hahahahaha... jeeeze you'd recon after spending a few hours in the shed this arvo building this that I would have stood back and gone.. you know I should just turn that board upside down..

DASZIP your a bloody genius

DASZIP
SA, 135 posts
10 Jun 2012 7:52PM
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hope i helped. hate for you to go to too much trouble when you dont need too. Have you been out for a ride yet.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Jun 2012 9:48PM
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I was gonna say get bigger wheels, but DASZIP is right of course.

Nice reuse of a pram. In my days I used bits from an old aluminium lawn chair with pram wheels with a similar result.

Carantoc
WA, 6562 posts
10 Jun 2012 8:19PM
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Don't forget to turn the board back over when you get in the water.

Try to remember that for normal use the fin goes downwards. I use the saying :

StalagTIGHTS go down and StalagMITES go up.

and then just mentally note that a fin is like a stalagtite.




For any more helpful hints just ask.



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