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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 23 May 2009
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8023 posts
23 May 2009 5:11PM
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Just wondering.I dont know much about Kitesurfing.I went out testriding my new board with a pile of them last week & I was suprised when my board blitzed one of them ( speedwise).I was the only sailboarder. Are they slower or was it just a poor sailor I passed? It was about 20 -25kts closereach/upwind.. Also can they quickrelease or depower quickly from their kit if a massive gust comes through?

elmo
WA, 8732 posts
23 May 2009 3:15PM
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There is a reason why a kiter holds the world speed sailing record

They are bloody quick when they want to be and in the right conditions.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
23 May 2009 7:41PM
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Yes but in general, most kitesurfers are not on speed gear and not competing at speed contests etc. They are on general purpose gear and that is significantly slower than windsurfing gear.

Generally windsurfers are way faster that kites.

Jamesy
QLD, 30 posts
23 May 2009 8:01PM
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but still, I have had some races with kiting friends who are on their freestyle gear and I was on a a freeride board with a wave sail. and when we both pushed it we are about the same speed

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
23 May 2009 6:13PM
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sboardcrazy said...

Also can they quickrelease or depower quickly from their kit if a massive gust comes through?


One thing that kites have over windsurfers is range.
A 10m kite with say a 135cm twinnie with a 85kg rider can start at around 13kn and be good til around 25kn and held down til about 30kn (there are always exceptions to the rule and some who will say they can kite with their 10m in 35kn+...good luck i say)
Kites have an ability to depower on the fly by pushing the bar away or by pulling in the front lines on a cleat system which changes the angle of attack in the wind. Kites can also be trimmed further by adjusting where you attatch the lines, closer to the kite (less power) or further away (more power)

Mark _australia
WA, 22423 posts
23 May 2009 6:29PM
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elmo said...

There is a reason why a kiter holds the world speed sailing record

They are bloody quick when they want to be and in the right conditions.


But it is not sailing

Sorry to light the fuse on that argument again, I retract the comment.



NOT

elmo
WA, 8732 posts
23 May 2009 6:49PM
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Mark _australia said...

elmo said...

There is a reason why a kiter holds the world speed sailing record

They are bloody quick when they want to be and in the right conditions.


But it is not sailing

Sorry to light the fuse on that argument again, I retract the comment.



NOT


Some people say that about what I do as well

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
23 May 2009 9:47PM
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me 10 years ago.



bullsh!t.

tell me that isnt sailing.






























































PS. kiting > windsurfing.

easty
TAS, 2213 posts
23 May 2009 10:04PM
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elmo said...

There is a reason why a kiter holds the world speed sailing record


A kiter holds the world kiting on water speed record - not sailing speed record.
Disclaimer - my opinion only and many will disagree, but I don't really care.

bubs
SA, 924 posts
23 May 2009 9:48PM
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the advantage kiters have over windsurfers when it comes to speed is that they can sail across water only an inch deep.... that would be a difference wouldn't it??? or am i just talking smack?

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
23 May 2009 9:31PM
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sboardcrazy said...

I dont know much about Kitesurfing.

Dont worry your not missing much

vando
QLD, 3416 posts
23 May 2009 11:40PM
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poor relative said...

sboardcrazy said...

Also can they quickrelease or depower quickly from their kit if a massive gust comes through?


One thing that kites have over windsurfers is range.



Not sure about that one pr I sail my 8.5 from 10 to 25 and alot of formula sailors use there 12 meters from 6 to 30.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
24 May 2009 12:09AM
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About "range"...I think what is meant is, if a kitesurfer is at the pub, cruising for a root, and there are no females available, his "range" will give him more options , whereas for a windsurfer it's off home to spank the monkey...

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
24 May 2009 12:56AM
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Regularly "sail" with some kiters. They can stay close in wind up to about 20 knots on standard gear ( and beat me under 15 knots) but struggle with breaking their fin traction when going for max speed in a race. After that speed with us on freeride gear and I presume they on similar gear, sailboarders seem to pull away.

Got no idea but just my observation.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
24 May 2009 1:18AM
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Normally they'll take shorter tacks and point higher (while going slower).

This means they get more waves

But we're usually significantly faster

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
24 May 2009 9:26AM
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poor relative said...

sboardcrazy said...

Also can they quickrelease or depower quickly from their kit if a massive gust comes through?


One thing that kites have over windsurfers is range.
A 10m kite with say a 135cm twinnie with a 85kg rider can start at around 13kn and be good til around 25kn and held down til about 30kn (there are always exceptions to the rule and some who will say they can kite with their 10m in 35kn+...good luck i say)



Yes. There was a lone kiter out yesterday in what started as 20knot conditions. We're still getting that trailing edge of the 'cyclone' that came down the east coast. Soon enough some 35k gusts came through and I sheltered my 5.9 in some shallow water for a few mins. Looking downwind through the rain that was driving holes into my back, the lone kiter was still blasting, kite down low just above the water. It didn't look a small kite.

So a) he was the only kiter out yet b) he was completely going for it.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
24 May 2009 9:18AM
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sboardcrazy said...

Just wondering.I dont know much about Kitesurfing.


The main party-trick with kiters vs poleys is the jumping.
Kiters don't need waves to be able to jump,
not even ripples to rip.
If you were a poley who loved to jump but found yourself living in a surfless city.....
you'd have to cross-over, surely ?
Or would you just go and buy a GPS meter ?

Al Planet
TAS, 1546 posts
24 May 2009 11:30AM
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While you can probably plane on a waveboard in around 12 knots with a 5m and hold that same sail in 35 knot gusts sometimes its just easier/safer to park on the beach and wait for the squall to go through. Maybe fractionally less easy/safe for the kiter. He/she is probably slightly safer away from any hard surfaces or pointy objects.

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
24 May 2009 10:15AM
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In my neck of the woods where it rough when windy they don't have a hope in hell keeping up. The only time they're as fast or even faster is right off the wind, the problem for them then is they're not edging anymore so the board is level and because the boards are so short they have a hell of a time controlling it. It's then only a matter of time before they go bum up in very spectacular fashion. I love going side by side off the wind with them and waiting for the summersalts [}:)]
There are only a couple with the balls to do it when the winds right up, they're mates and it's all fun

Jamesy
QLD, 30 posts
24 May 2009 8:02PM
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speed kitesurfing...



41 knots!!!!

mathew
QLD, 2046 posts
25 May 2009 6:54PM
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41 knots!!!!


All respect to this guy - you can see the acceleration!

But... speedkiting when there are houses downwind, is just nuts... if he looses control, then other people have to deal with his body parts.

dieseagull
NSW, 167 posts
26 May 2009 12:50PM
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In my experience I have never been beaten by a kitesurfer when I'm going gangbusters. Although I always sail on choppy water, and I think kites have problems going fast through chop.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
26 May 2009 1:25PM
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Jamesy said...
41 knots!!!!


-2 degrees. Wind chill -20?!

Hard to tell, but is he wearing boardies over the top? Not sure what category he is in if he doesn't have the boardies over the top.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
26 May 2009 3:09PM
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crazyjockey said...

In my experience I have never been beaten by a kitesurfer when I'm going gangbusters. Although I always sail on choppy water, and I think kites have problems going fast through chop.


For sure, you guys always beat us hands down when its choppy, our smaller boards and smaller fins cannot compete, when its flat however is a different story. I was at sandy point in an easterly, low tide, riding on the flat behind the sand bar in the middle and out of about 30 windsurfers out there only one that was going faster (just), i was riding normal free style gear, gimme a board designed to hold a better edge at those speeds and i would have blitz em. I followed that guy for a few runs, he was a good fellow, we chatted a little while he was resting, but i couldn't pass him, when going along behind him i could see that most of his board would rise out of the water and almost see the fin hanging down... Ah that was a fun day

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
26 May 2009 2:16PM
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Manicskier, get a GPS - when the data drops, the BS stops.

Danger Mouse
WA, 592 posts
26 May 2009 4:07PM
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crazyjockey said...

In my experience I have never been beaten by a kitesurfer when I'm going gangbusters. Although I always sail on choppy water, and I think kites have problems going fast through chop.


Jockey, due to the size of our boards this does make it harder for us to go at higher speeds when there's a bit of chop due to the fact that you end up jumping off all the chop and when you're airborne you automatically head downwind slightly and then have to dig in again and edge hard upwind to gain the little bit of ground you just lost.

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ka43
NSW, 3075 posts
26 May 2009 6:52PM
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Excuse my ignorance but watching kite guys going quick it never ceases to amaze me how they get such quick speeds when it looks like they are continously "edging" or not keeping their boards flat and bearing off deep like us windsurfers.
Even watching Rob Douglas doing his record runs I still dont get it.
After seeing quick guys like Daffy, Sam P, Dan Engdahl and some bloke called Chris L? sailing down the run at the Pit the efficiency of a speed board and race/speed sail is obvious.
Please explain??

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
26 May 2009 6:35PM
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Sail board is using fin for lateral resistance, so board has to stay flat for max efficiency. But Kites use their rails not so much the fins, to use the rails the boards have to be "edged", this saves them from the ventilation and cavitation problems windsurfers have at speed.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
27 May 2009 12:39AM
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nebbian said...

Manicskier, get a GPS - when the data drops, the BS stops.


Its on my toys list for sure.... next summer i'll drop you some data

WINDY MILLER
WA, 3183 posts
26 May 2009 10:56PM
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myusernam
QLD, 6124 posts
30 May 2009 11:28PM
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kites don't point as good and you can point higher going slower. The sensation of speed is still there if you want it, and you can go fast, but then you're not really in trick mode. personally slalom windsurfing or kitesurfing for speed bores me to tears.



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