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The Windsurfing Movie II

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Created by jh2703 > 9 months ago, 5 May 2010
jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
5 May 2010 6:45PM
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It is due for release 04/07/2010, Is it to early to get excited?


izaak
TAS, 1973 posts
5 May 2010 7:01PM
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sic, hope its better than the first one.

HAIL
SA, 1160 posts
5 May 2010 6:49PM
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going to be a huge ask to beat the first one. the best movie made i think. definatly all the best action for a wavesailing side of things!!

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
6 May 2010 12:55AM
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can't wait.

only comment would be I hope its released in HD on blueray.


Bondalucci
VIC, 1579 posts
6 May 2010 1:31AM
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.....or 3-D at the movies!!

curac
WA, 1144 posts
6 May 2010 8:46AM
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i wish they would release a trailer

zippyblue
NSW, 111 posts
6 May 2010 2:51PM
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The original windsurfing movie is shot in HD but not released on Bluray no idea why.

I found "making of" the windsurfing movie on some dodgy download site and this was in HD with much of the same clips as the movie, only better. It's called Nomads windsurfing hawaii, or something like that.

I found the "making of" more entertaining than the original.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
7 May 2010 6:00PM
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i'd imagine that if they used prosumer cameras for some action shooting, many are limited to 60fps at only 1280x720 resolution, which is probably the mode used if they wanted to achieve clean slomo footage at 24fps, without using "twixtor" type software slomo interpolation which can look quite dodgy. Having said that, some of their slow motion footage looks like it was on a more expensive overcrankable camera maybe capable of +120 fps as it is quite slow and clean

If they had to stabilize the footage digitally after it was shot, and if the footage was quite shaky, they might have lost much of the image around the edge of the video frame, and then had to crop it down to close to DVD resolution as a result.

Therefore even though it was shot in a form of HiDef, they only had a smallish dvd size resolution to work with in the end.

this is just from my experience and only a guess at what they did

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
7 May 2010 11:20PM
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This has been around for a while, Most of the footage is surfing or SUP but there's a bit of windsurfing in the middle. It's a bit of a Oxbow promo, but it's shot by Poor Boyz Productions, Could be an indication of what we will see as far as quality and style in TWSMII.

Carantoc
WA, 6650 posts
7 May 2010 9:29PM
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Since the first one told the story of windsurfing from its origins to today, perhaps the next tells the story of the next chapter.

Perhaps the full title is:

The Windsurfing Movie II - Kitesurfing

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
7 May 2010 11:59PM
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Carantoc said...

Since the first one told the story of windsurfing from its origins to today, perhaps the next tells the story of the next chapter.

Perhaps the full title is:

The Windsurfing Movie II - Kitesurfing


the windsurfing movie didn't tell the origins of windsurfing.

it told the origins of windsurfing in hawaii.

Carantoc
WA, 6650 posts
7 May 2010 10:03PM
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So what would you prefer

The Windsurfing Movie II - Kitesurfing

or

The Windsurfing Movie II - fat old german nudists on day-glo boards splahing about in a lake

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
8 May 2010 12:10AM
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Carantoc said...

So what would you prefer

The Windsurfing Movie II - Kitesurfing

or

The Windsurfing Movie II - fat old german nudists on day-glo boards splahing about in a lake



clearly you haven't seen four dimensions.

zippyblue
NSW, 111 posts
8 May 2010 12:15AM
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Haircut...they used a Panasonic P2, at least for some of the in water footage with fast framerate. Is that good? I guess this was shot a few years ago now. How would this compare to something like a Canon 550D, or 7D from today. I know...completely different cameras, but curious all the same if you had any idea.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
8 May 2010 2:06AM
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ahh ok, thanks p2 is quite nice for what it is i'm told. ive never used one

7d / 5d i've used - i've got the 5d and it in particular has excellent low light ability but currently limited to 30fps maximum (most recent firmware), while i think the 7d will do 60p but it's not so good low light ability from its smaller sensor. Not that low light ability matters for bright daylight stuff like windsurfing i guess. from what i've seen so far, i think both are better than most expensive dedicated video cameras in low light including the red one, but unlikely to ever get more than 60frames a sec out of them as the sensor heats up very quickly. The autofocus of the 5d / 7d or it's lenses aren't really suited to video either, and are too snappy / abrupt in focus, or are too slow, depending on the focus mode chosen

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
8 May 2010 11:20AM
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There is no such thing as a panasonic P2 - thats like saying that you shoot video footage off a camera called an SD card.

P2 is a high speed raid card format that panasonic use for their mid to high end video cameras. Its expensive but awesome .

The action on the windsurfing movie was shot on a Panasonic HVX 200 - and most of it was probably shot at 720p - as that camera does beautiful overcrank in 720p.

The lowlight on that particular camera is quite grainy - but it absolutely shines in daylight conditions.

the 5dmk 2, 7d, 550d canons , panasonic gh1 etc are amazing digi cameras that allow you to use the massive sensor for awesome lowlight compared to a video camera - but the file formats are a real headache to get to a stage where they are editable. Which is fine on small projects.

But when you have thousands of shots that all need to be transcoded - it can really slow things down. And the sound needs workarounds / extra hardware.

As an Hvx 202 owner i am considering getting a 550d slr for lifestyle video - lowlight interviews etc as it will reduce the amount of lighting that needs to be set up.

i absolutely love the look of the panasonic hvx202 (shooting to P2 cards) for well lit over cranked action - the picture looks SUPERB!! And you can easily dial in more or less motion blur . All of my heli and tripod shots on Wizards came off the hvx.

I thought the windsurfing movie was a great achievement - it was actually shot and edited in a very basic style in the action department (which many viewers prefer) - but did an outstanding job of telling some very interesting stories.

The reason it was never released on blu ray - blu ray charge a ridiculous license fee on every unit which makes them super expensive to produce. Blu ray is technically a very nice format - and i wanted to release wizards on it (as it was all shot in hi def) - but boy did they stuff up the release of it - meanwhile the rest of the world is either happy with sd dvds or watching vimeo / youtube hd / exposure room / itunes movie downloads off the net.

so blu ray = opportunity missed.

zippyblue
NSW, 111 posts
8 May 2010 3:30PM
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Oh that explains why a google on Panasonic P2 brought up so many different models... Actually I was just quoting one of the filmmakers who said he was using a P2 but that makes more sense now.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
8 May 2010 1:51PM
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Reflex Films said...
mk 2, 7d, 550d canons , panasonic gh1 etc are amazing digi cameras that allow you to use the massive sensor for awesome lowlight compared to a video camera - but the file formats are a real headache to get to a stage where they are editable. Which is fine on small projects.
But when you have thousands of shots that all need to be transcoded - it can really slow things down. And the sound needs workarounds / extra hardware.


No longer the case... Adobe Premiere CS5 now edits H.264 video out of the box without transcoding. Read, you drag the footage straight from camera into the timeline and edit... done. The same goes for the next version of Final Cut (which should be coming any day now).


The reason it was never released on blu ray - blu ray charge a ridiculous license fee on every unit which makes them super expensive to produce. Blu ray is technically a very nice format - and i wanted to release wizards on it (as it was all shot in hi def) - but boy did they stuff up the release of it - meanwhile the rest of the world is either happy with sd dvds or watching vimeo / youtube hd / exposure room / itunes movie downloads off the net.


BluRay is dead anyway... years of fighting between HD-DVD and BluRay, all the while digital downloads will wipe them both out. Even gimmicks like 3D will not save BluRay in the long run.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
8 May 2010 1:56PM
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Haircut said...
but unlikely to ever get more than 60frames a sec out of them as the sensor heats up very quickly.

The frame rate limitation is primarily due to the image processor speed. At the moment the chip set they are using does 60 frames / sec. . The next version should be coming in about 15 to 18 months and will most likely be capable of doing 120 frames /sec. Wether Canon decides to implement that feature is an entirely different story and will depend on what they do with their next wave of prosumer video cameras.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
8 May 2010 5:38PM
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Carantoc said...

So what would you prefer

The Windsurfing Movie II - Kitesurfing

or

The Windsurfing Movie II - fat old german nudists on day-glo boards splahing about in a lake



The Windsurfing Movie was made in 2005 ish when kitesurfing was fashionable...


Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
8 May 2010 10:21PM
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it's alright zippy, i knew what u meant. when folks on some of the forums talk about the p2 they are often referring to the varicam. the whole series of varicams seem quite highly regarded. i've personally never used any of them

i think it's accepted that i'm never going to get a +30 fps firmware for the 5d2 as already folks are complaining about seeing more hot pixels in a recording at 30fps over a 12minute period, than at 24/25 fps on the same 5d over a 12minute recording. at 60 fps or more folk are predicting it's likely to be full of hot ones particularly at high iso's. Maybe shortening the max recording time when using 60 could be set? Exactly why the frame rate is making a difference, i don't know. maybe someone can explain this



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