Cool sea dogs.
I do understand why people love OD or Wally's, its a bit like sailing in old wooden boats, it is relaxing, slow and has a charm. Not my cup of tea, but understand people like that relaxing activity. Also the social side, like old men tinkering with old boats, like minded people enjoying remembering the good old days - all good.
What classifies a windsurfing board and sail board? Would you say a sail board is a board you sail on, essentually a non-planning board like a wally and OD. And a windsurfing board is when you get on the plane - essentually surfing over the water - skimming..... well that's my classification.
So more appropriate to say OD or Wally Sailboards?
My old Wayler planed perfectly. I first got on the plane in strong winds around the 20+knot at Lake Cootharaba using a 3.5m2 sail last year. I become instantly hooked to the sport. I was then able to consistantly plane in most high wind and winds as low as 7knots with a 6m2 old sail on.
I also enjoy the relaxing temperament of the old boards in low winds. I don't care if I'm being over taken by newer boards, as long as I'm on the water having a good time is all that matters.
That's funny the new wide boards have inspired gen y
There are people who windsurf for fun and others that windsurf to look good
Even back in around 1983 when I learned to windsurf it was not on a wally. I learned on a TC Beacher, which had more volume and stability compared to a wally.
Sure some people can learn on a wally, some people can learn on a wave board. However in the end getting someone who has never windsurfed before and doesn't know the first thing about sailing, it would be better to teach them on something like a Starboard Start or RRD Easyrider, which are incredibly stable, have a soft deck that doesn't graze the skin, and will easily float someone who weighs more than 120kgs in about 1 knot of wind.
Sure they may not go upwind as well as a wally or other longboards but racing isn't what they are about. They are about making an introduction to windsurfing as easy and pain free as it can possibly be.
hey smithy,
try peter at caloundra wind and surf. he has some wally's and still sails them.
he was offering me a whole setup for peanuts up at the burrum event so i know he's got some stuff lying around.
took his for a quick spin one morning when the wind was light as did 3-4 others.
i don't get the hate the wally receives. i like them, sure maybe not as easy to learn on in most cases as the wide stuff. but i do enjoy a 5-10 knot cruise on a OD.
I don't get the hate thing period, whether it's wallys, kites, racing - anything. I love a good ribbing, but the vitriol in this and other topics is disturbing. As the French say: "Viva la difference"
I'm not hating OD windsurfers either. Live and let live. If I was living where I used to live I'd be looking a long board too. For two reasons, firstly I'd have somewhere to put it, ie living in a house with a shed. Secondly the winds are gustier and the reaches shorter when the local waterway is a river or dam.
We have a RRD Easyrider and its a top board to teach on. However I'm not doing that much teaching and my wife isn't using all that much either anymore. So I'm thinking about selling it and buying a long board as one board can be kept on the roof of my van. I'd prefer to get an old race board as I enjoy sailing them as they cut through the water in lighter winds.
Here's a few images from camp to give you an idea of what our gear is like:
Here's a camper who already progressed to a 4m monofilm sail on a 160L Funster on the second day of windsurfing at camp:
Who said these wideboards can't go fast?
Our cheap triangle learner sails are great for starters:
The JP Funster 160L wideboard still has plenty of flotation:
And those little red sails can still get those big learner boards going at speed:
Those pics just seem to underline how completely different your conditions are (which is what I have been trying to say all along) and therefore how completely different the best gear can be. I've always said that in open water like that, which has much more chop than we see unless it's 25 knots and straight down the lake or bay (which is rare) widestyle boards are the best. And with a long beach like that, other problems we find with widestyle boards don't apply.
I never said widestyle boards were slow in general, because they CAN be fast - I always said that they were slow IN OUR NORMAL CONDITIONS. This has been proved by about 8 years of racing by people from noobs to world champs in RSX 8.5, RSX 9.5, Prodigy 8.5 and unlimited, and various Techno rigs. As another example, at the 2011 One Hour Race in MElbourne, a Wally won and beat the first short board by two laps in 10. The short boards included SUPs, Techno, and various wide beginners boards loaned by retailers etc, using sails as big as 8.5m. Last time a Wally took on the Raceboards at my old club it was a super-gusty 25 knots on a very short course and the Wally top scored for the day ahead of a former Raceboard national champ and the guy who was 3rd in the Raceboard Masters Worlds.
In medium conditions the Wally is slow to very slow, no doubt about it.
In YOUR conditions, the boards you use are no doubt normally faster. In OUR conditions, there is proof that they are often (most of the time, in fact) slower. I agree that speed is NOT the only issue, but if you are sailing where we sail light wind speed is important in keeping beginners going. It's also something that windsurfers DO tend to emphasise, and the fact that Wallies can do well underlines that designs haven't progressed in all directions.
We get people on 4.5s tacking and gybing the first day, normally. Even my mother in law got it within an hour or so. Our dead flat water helps, but also we HAVE to get them tacking and gybing because they can't walk along the "beach" easily.
You ask why a Wally sail is lighter than a modern sail - that's easy. It's because it only has one very short full batten and two short battens, and battens weigh a lot. I just weighed an old one at 2.209kg - it's heavier than usual because it's been patched. The 4.5s we use for most beginners are about 1.5-1.6kg. For little kids, the modern ultralight rigs work best.
Compare that to the similar size (6m) Hot Sails Maui sails (3.9 to 5.1kg), 3.33kg for an Ezzy Legacy 5.8, 4.12 for a Cheetah 6m.
One of the other clubs in NSW starts people on wide boards (they have easier conditions for widestyle) but then moves them to longboards. Again, a different location has created a different approach.
While I appreciate your enthusiasm and wishes, I can only repeat that we sail in different conditions and different stuff works in different places, as in every comparable sport. If I lived where you do, I'd teach on what you sail, but I don't.
Oh and with these modern boards it is amazing just how young they can start learning (that's my daughter just after turning 4 years old):
Notice how flat and light it was on The Pond at Safety Bay that day? The sail is a cut down handkerchief and the mast a piece of 20mm aluminium tube.
There's no way she'd be doing that on a Wally.
Holly crap... Where did all the angst come from??
One of the many boards we own is a Wally or OD, we live by the sea and have always kept the board for a bit of fun on sub 10 knot days even attempting tandem sailing and having a lot of laughs. The sail is rooted and I was looking for a replacement. End of story
Oh and FYI I learnt on a Wally. At the time it was literally the only board readily available, the Whaler had only just come out. I just missed the teak boom version. If you wanted a wave board you wrapped your board in black plastic, put it in the sun, waited a while then bent the nose to increase the rocker.
Thanks to those who have offered genuine advice on obtaining a replacement sail.
Yes a lot of angst as you say.
Strange, like pent up emotions.
Whatever happened to the old live and let live...
Since I had replied to the original question, back to the angry tangent.
I taught on all gear from old planks to round-shaped Gos, to a large round SUP lately. Also on a widish board last year. The right students get going (not holding a 3-meter sail in zero knot, but actually going) in about the same time. The % of those making it to the sport is about the same in all cases, though prob. was much higher in the old days on the uglier boards, as there were millions sailing then.
The amount of fun people have whilst learning seems to be unrelated to the gear.
Peace out.
It's sad that we can't call a spade a spade without being accused of insulting some of our Olympians and National Champions. Chris, I don't believe that you are their spokesman. If they feel strongly about this, I'm sure they are able to speak for themselves.
We are talking about a board! A piece of equipment! I don't know why some people have a soft spot for it but that's not really the issue. The Wally is not a sacred relic, just a part of Windsurfing's history. Technology has advanced and we are lucky to have better options today.
The inventor of windsurfing said this about the wide-style board: "Yes, we thought it would revolutionize racing, and it has. But it also has revolutionized teaching and entry level sailing. Both of us (Drake and Svein) are very pleased that this revolution has been adopted by almost all manufacturers now, to the great benefit of windsurfing as a whole.
If you have to ride a Wally or it has sentimental value to you then go right ahead. It's your choice and not forced on you by the conditions. NSW has plenty of coast line and lakes that allow us to plane.
Also, I learnt to Windsurf in Canberra and lived there almost all my life and I have been having a great time windsurfing with modern gear. Most of us in Canberra have not needed or wanted to use a Wally. I taught my wife and 2 children to windsurf and the majority of their windsurfing was done on Lake Burley Griffin. So Chris, I can definitely speak for "your" conditions. I know all about them.
There is no reason to handicap beginners by foisting the Wally onto them.