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Wide light wind boards...

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Created by laurie > 9 months ago, 3 Dec 2009
JayBee
NSW, 714 posts
4 Dec 2009 8:15PM
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I find the door handles get in the way when I gybe.

JB

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
4 Dec 2009 5:42PM
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JayBee said...

I find the door handles get in the way when I gybe.

JB


U n choco
Only one dud in that bunch, has to be the last one, you cant see the fishes

Revhead
ACT, 372 posts
4 Dec 2009 9:17PM
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Imagine designing the most cumbersome, slow looking board in the solar system, and they turn out to be super fast!!

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
4 Dec 2009 6:34PM
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some of the new large f2 boards, the 68cm+85cm i tried are light being carbon and have a real good feel. tried an older 100cm sonic once and the feel is on parallel with riding a 100cm sorry 100 yearold.

JayBee
NSW, 714 posts
4 Dec 2009 9:46PM
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All the FOrmula boards from the last few years are plenty stiff - lots of exotic materials. Try a new generation board and I expect you will feel quite the difference.

JB

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
5 Dec 2009 5:54PM
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do you need a boat license do ride those barges

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
6 Dec 2009 12:03PM
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long boards, short boards now wide boards do you need a permit to take those things to the water

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
29 Jan 2010 10:26PM
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landyacht said...

so could I split a 90l board, fit in a slab off foam packing and reinforcing, laminate and sail.
could be a great summer project

since some larrakin red thumbed me for this suggestion , i thought id better give you a progress report on the summer project.
i got some measurements from the F2 boards that I was learning on last week,
and split and filled a 90l Park wave board that came off a roadside pickup . There are 4 carbon tube battens inside running across the board, styrofoam inner fill with a higher density poured polyeurathane foam as glue and a harder surface to glass to.
the idea is to make a big stable board for the family to learn on. when its all glassed I will make a centreboard case and glass it in .
board is 800mmwide midships




decrepit
WA, 12133 posts
29 Jan 2010 10:44PM
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Nice one Paul, what you can create from discards, all yopu need is some imagination and enthusiasm.

My first light wind wave board came from an old windsurfer one design I found in a tip.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
29 Jan 2010 10:51PM
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having fially got on the water and managed not to fall off, because of the right board, I couldnt resist the challenge. all the foam is HD packaging that a mate gets in his deliveries, the polyuerathane is out of date tins from a drilling company.
cost to date is purely brain power. last photo s 24hrs after thinking of the idea
sorry we didnt get to your end of the planet, we couldnt face the traffic after 4 1/2 days sailing, but we did get on the water

decrepit
WA, 12133 posts
29 Jan 2010 10:56PM
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We didn't go to the estuary, figured it would be too crowded with holiday makers, wind was a bit light any way, just had a bit of play out here.

Yes, driving in holiday traffic is to be avoided if possible, may be next time.

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
30 Jan 2010 7:54AM
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landyacht said...

since some larrakin red thumbed me for this suggestion , i thought id better give you a progress report on the summer project.
i got some measurements from the F2 boards that I was learning on last week,
and split and filled a 90l Park wave board that came off a roadside pickup . There are 4 carbon tube battens inside running across the board, styrofoam inner fill with a higher density poured polyeurathane foam as glue and a harder surface to glass to.
the idea is to make a big stable board for the family to learn on. when its all glassed I will make a centreboard case and glass it in .
board is 800mmwide midships
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(Avert your eyes Bondi!)

That's a silly thing to do! Who would want to cut up a perfectly good board and widen it?




and when filled with foam





Since then I have routed out the 'channels' to a depth to allow a 8mm strip of divinycell along each of the widened bits, and cut the nose to a more modern shape.

I have some more photos somewhere, but I should really spend some more time on finishing it.

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
30 Jan 2010 1:34PM
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FormulaNova said...

I have some more photos somewhere, but I should really spend some more time on finishing it.


Will it be finished for next weekend?

Would go well at Winda Woppa

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
30 Jan 2010 11:16AM
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Wineman said...

Will it be finished for next weekend?

Would go well at Winda Woppa


Hi Pete, no it won't be ready but I have a Formula board, a Nova(!) and about ten other boards to play with, so I think it shouldn't be a problem.

As long as the Forumla nationals bring the wind, it should be great.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
1 Feb 2010 7:48PM
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your going faster than me. some of my foam was old drillers rejects , and expanded to the same consistency as a bed pillow
Ive got it all under control and cut the hole for the centreboard today, Ive cut out a mold for the plug which i will get back to tommorrow. today was high 30's in the shed so a nanny nap got precedence.

daughter has christened it "fatty boom bah"
added a novice assisting handle to the bow and a good chunk of maranti, just in case

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
1 Feb 2010 8:03PM
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It will be interesting to see how these boards go as far as strength is concerned. I guess entire boards were made of this poured foam in the past, so it should be okay, and as you have noticed it makes a great glue.

Mine's not as wide at only 73cm, and its also getting new footstrap inserts and possibly a new finbox or two. I'm sort of trying to replicate my Hifly Madd.

I know its probably a bit late, but another option instead of a centreboard is to use a us-box fin box up front and using a small us-bx fin there to help drive upwind. My Bic Nova came like this and once you grow out of this stage, you can leave the fin out. They give you a blanking plate to use there.

I'm not sure I'm faster, as it's been at least 3 or 4 months since I started it, and probably another 3 or 4 until its finished.

Bondalucci
VIC, 1579 posts
2 Feb 2010 12:05AM
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FormulaNova said...
(Avert your eyes Bondi!)

That's a silly thing to do! Who would want to cut up a perfectly good board and widen it?




and when filled with foam





OMF'gG FormularNova, Does this mean you'll soon be changing your user name to FattyFlow!!

....and I thought I was brave reshaping a nose or two!!
I guess if you're gonna attempt a project like that, you might as well start with a quality set up! (good old flow)

I reckon this would be a great way of making a kids learning board cheaply, that would end up very stable and light weight and similar in shape to a young gun etc. It probably wouldn't matter if it wasn't that strong either, if it was for subplaning and then light wind planing with a kid on it.

I too have a Bic Nova that the kids are learning on, and wonder whether a young gun may have been a better option.

We'd love to see more pics as the project unfolds.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
1 Feb 2010 9:40PM
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great way for an old almost 50 to start learning on too( given that there is sweet FA water to do it on either )

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
2 Feb 2010 6:55AM
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Bondalucci said...
[OMF'gG FormularNova, Does this mean you'll soon be changing your user name to FattyFlow!!


It could already be FattyNova!


....and I thought I was brave reshaping a nose or two!!
I guess if you're gonna attempt a project like that, you might as well start with a quality set up! (good old flow)

I reckon this would be a great way of making a kids learning board cheaply, that would end up very stable and light weight and similar in shape to a young gun etc. It probably wouldn't matter if it wasn't that strong either, if it was for subplaning and then light wind planing with a kid on it.

I too have a Bic Nova that the kids are learning on, and wonder whether a young gun may have been a better option.



This one's for me, and needs to be strong! I expect to make it at least as strong as any other board I own. With the use of double screw footstrap inserts it will also be a board that doesn't have twisted straps!

I learnt a lot on a Bic Nova and still have it. It was my first 'modern' board, although I really had my balance sorted from sailing one design type boards first. It was a good start for someone my weight and the width makes it very stable.

I don't know if you have tried it, but with mine I bought a 50cm pointer fin for it, and minus the front fin, it really gets up and goes. It is very much like a formula board in the way it behaves except for the extra 8kgs of weight in it.

The padded deck, like the Go makes it pretty easy on the knees too.


We'd love to see more pics as the project unfolds.



I have gotten further than the photos show, so I might do a few more bits and post up some more in a separate thread.

theWaterBoy
WA, 225 posts
2 Feb 2010 10:18AM
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This is sooo inspiring. Can I ask what you are using on filler ( after the polyurethane) and how are you going to finish the board in the end - with a layer of glass or epoxy over the whole lot?? If so, is that going to make it kind of heavy??

I would love to see a step by step on this as apart form being a great way to recycle an old board into something that is potentially awesome to help someone learn on, it looks like a ****e load of fun...


well done guys and thanks for posting the images.


Oh, one last thought on those formula boards, could you go a twin fin set up like one of these racing yachts??



landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
2 Feb 2010 8:45PM
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due to budgetry constraints mine will get filled with coremat and surfboard glass with polyester resin.. the original board has a layer of brown foam sandwiched between 2 layers of cloth . i sanded some of this back and tried the polyester and glass on it and got a good bond.
thats why I am getting a layer of polyeurathane foam over the polystyrene. dont expect a fancy finish , but i will try my best. i was suprised at how much pink bog was under the final layer of cloth on the original finish.one area looked distinctly like the heel of a hand.
bogged and sanded the mold for the centreboard today, but too hot to glass

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
4 Feb 2010 9:11PM
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I made a male mold? for the centreboard box from 20mm chipboard, minimal bog ,a coat of sanding sealer and rubbed back to 800grit wet and dry finish, then mold release wax and PVA mold release.
since the day was a cool one i glassed it up with about 3 layers of 250gm chopped strand and 200gms of resin. finished weight is 220gms.




the mold was cut off then soaked in water till I could tap it out.
I then squirted some polyeurathane foam into the slot in the board and shoved the box through, covered it in a plastic bag and some bricks on top to hold it down. photo tommorrow

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
8 Feb 2010 9:24PM
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What you guys (absolute geniuses, in my book) oughta do is, after cutting the board into 3 pieces, find a way to make it so the 2 extra bits can be attached or removed at will, and so the original 3 pieces can be put back together too. I'm thinking Lego-style. Then you'll have a fully adjustable board for all conditions!

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
8 Feb 2010 7:19PM
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Wet Willy said...

What you guys (absolute geniuses, in my book) oughta do is, after cutting the board into 3 pieces, find a way to make it so the 2 extra bits can be attached or removed at will, and so the original 3 pieces can be put back together too. I'm thinking Lego-style. Then you'll have a fully adjustable board for all conditions!


I was thinking it would be better to have a board where you have an overall board shape and then slide out the middle bit to make a small board. The tail/finbox/mast track could essentially be the same, but the rails would be separate for each added section.

Trust me, cutting a board in 3 pieces only requires a boring weekend and a good power saw!

jonesmb
QLD, 75 posts
8 Feb 2010 9:36PM
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Similar project documented at

www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17001&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
8 Feb 2010 9:20PM
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centreboard box on fatty boom bah has been inserted and glued in with polyeurathane. I used a spray can type for this bit as it could be squirted into the narrow gaps. ( ive also run out of the free stuff) price tag was $9.90.

the top has now been glassed I have a layer of 2.5gm chopped strand, 1 layer 2mm core mat, 1layer of a light surfboard woven cloth.
in some areas I added extra of everything as thats where I'll be standing /kneeling/falling

photo shows the top of the centreboard box. the 2 sticky out bits will take the shock cord that holds the CB up or down .
is just 2 dowels glued onto the glass with araldite then glassed over ready to sand


landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
12 Feb 2010 2:23PM
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can somebody remind me of the recipe for making the deck grippy.
I vaguely recall somebody adding sugar? to resin for a grippy surface.
fatty boom bah is coming along and almost ready to paint. the bottom finish is
" appropriate for the outback location in which it will be used"

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
12 Feb 2010 2:39PM
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landyacht said...

can somebody remind me of the recipe for making the deck grippy.
I vaguely recall somebody adding sugar? to resin for a grippy surface.
fatty boom bah is coming along and almost ready to paint. the bottom finish is
" appropriate for the outback location in which it will be used"


What?... Wheels?

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
12 Feb 2010 2:49PM
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, no already got some of those,
brown water with zero visibility, probable car bodies/parts, bottles cans ,tree branches , drowned bushes(insitu) roos ,or parts thereof, wire(plain or barbed)RUSTY!!!!!!!,varying depth of 0.1 t0 3m average of 0.3m.
and rocks
maximum sailing leg length 100m( I wish)

FormulaNova
WA, 14670 posts
12 Feb 2010 3:53PM
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landyacht said...

, no already got some of those,
brown water with zero visibility, probable car bodies/parts, bottles cans ,tree branches , drowned bushes(insitu) roos ,or parts thereof, wire(plain or barbed)RUSTY!!!!!!!,varying depth of 0.1 t0 3m average of 0.3m.
and rocks
maximum sailing leg length 100m( I wish)


Strewth, you're sailing in the Kalgoorlie sanitation plant! That takes some guts...



It's good that you have got somewhere to sail though, it will be good to see how it goes. Mine is still a partial project.



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