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Wrist tendonitis.

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Created by Obelix > 9 months ago, 8 Oct 2010
Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 12:22PM
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I liked the one on the shoulder injury. Very educational.
Maybe we should start a "hospital thread"

I just learnt how to get into straps and harness, however, to learn how, I had to hang of the boom a lot, and hold the sail in strong winds which has caused some damage to my left wrist outer tendons.

The pain has been present since February.

My GP, superficially checked it , and said it was tendonitis. My Physio helped somewhat. Still, every time I go windsurfing, it gets aggravated.

Now, both of them would like to fill me in with Voltaren but I almost died from internal bleeding after a single Voltaren pill so that's not an option.

I can live with pain, but I fear it may develop to something more serious.
Unfortunately, I cannot get myself to stop now that I'm fully strapped/harnessed in, and the "Ashes" are in

Has anyone experienced something similar and can give me an advice?

RumChaser
TAS, 624 posts
8 Oct 2010 3:41PM
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It's not exactly the same but I get tennis elbow in the left elbow which is strange seeing I'm right handed. As you get better with the harness you will find things get easier. When you are riding along you should be able to "play the piano" on the boom you can just about rest your hands and keep them quite relaxed. If my arms get really tired I let go of the boom with one hand altogether and just travel along with that hand hanging down getting the blood going again.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
8 Oct 2010 3:55PM
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Depends on where the pain is.
If it's sore right on the edge of the wrist on the little finger side, it is more likely a ligament sprain, which will take 12 mths to heal. I did it once playing hockey, and had to quit some activities for a while, esp guitar.
Extensor tendonitis, which is more commonly known as "tennis elbow" gives most pain at the elbow, but can affect the whole extensor tendon complex, from your elbow right across the back or your forearm. Hard to know without being able to examine you.
Both will heal slowly regardless of treatment.
I had the extensor tendonitis for a year before I banged my shoulder, and it settled eventually.
Cortisone shots are popular for that too, but again, I declined, on the basis that I wanted maximum strength in my tissues.

I agree about the hospital thread. Most of us are in our 40's and very active, so we bang ourselves around a bit. I reckon most of us have musculo-skeletal pain of some sort most days. The trick is to keep moving.

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 1:16PM
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KenHo said...
If it's sore right on the edge of the wrist on the little finger side, it is more likely a ligament sprain, which will take 12 mths to heal.


It's that then.
So 12 months? At least it may heal...

re: As you get better with the harness you will find things get easier
It is easier already, but it doesn't take as much to hurt myself again.
I'm struggling with the harness positioning too, and often have to keep correcting the sail angle, which often takes some effort.

Also, as I pick up some speed and hit some waves, I get scared from being catapulted so I unhook, and hang of that wrist again.

WindmanV
VIC, 749 posts
8 Oct 2010 6:12PM
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Hello, Obelix,

Would the Palm Harness help?

www.solutionsdept.com/palmharness/

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
8 Oct 2010 6:27PM
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Try a Power balance band...

It is well worth getting a second opinion from a specialist,,,not saying your GP is no good,, but doctors like to use the "its just tendonitis" diagnosis.I had wrist problems for a year after a broke it.My local doc said thats as good as it will ever be,get use to it.
Flew to Sydney and saw a hand and wrist specialist,had an opp, can now bend my wrist,no pain.If I listened to my local doc,I would still be in pain.

Oh, and mybe slow down on the gerkin jerkin

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 4:14PM
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WindmanV said...

Hello, Obelix,
Would the Palm Harness help?
www.solutionsdept.com/palmharness/


That seems interesting.

My physio was talking about braces, and has shown me pics, but none of them protects you from the pull as this one would.

re: It is well worth getting a second opinion from a specialist
I'll see how it develops by the end of the year.
It wasn't a trauma after a breakage. Just started with a dull pain after one hard session.

>>>Try a Power balance band...
She gave me a stress ball and a wide and thin rubber band (is that what you call Power Balance Band?) to strengthen the wrist, and It did, but the pain persisted.

busterwa
3777 posts
8 Oct 2010 4:39PM
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dont kid yourself!

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 4:48PM
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busterwa said...

dont kid yourself!





But this one looks real : www.solutionsdept.com/palmharness/

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
8 Oct 2010 8:55PM
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Obelix said...

KenHo said...
If it's sore right on the edge of the wrist on the little finger side, it is more likely a ligament sprain, which will take 12 mths to heal.


It's that then.
So 12 months? At least it may heal...

re: As you get better with the harness you will find things get easier
It is easier already, but it doesn't take as much to hurt myself again.
I'm struggling with the harness positioning too, and often have to keep correcting the sail angle, which often takes some effort.

Also, as I pick up some speed and hit some waves, I get scared from being catapulted so I unhook, and hang of that wrist again.



Stop doing that. The harness is your friend. Bend your knees and dig in (by which I mean to brace your core, like ski-ing powder) for chop.
Sounds like you are progressing well, but adjusting the sail by steering with your feet.
If the sail is falling back, steer downwind a bit, and if it's falling forward, steer upwind a bit.
Experienced sailors are lazy bastards who expend very little effort, but it does take a while to get there. I like the piano playing analogy. Beats the skin flute.
Try using an under-handed grip for your front hand too, just to change the mechanics.


Mark _australia
WA, 22722 posts
8 Oct 2010 7:17PM
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lotofwind said...



It is well worth getting a second opinion from a specialist,,,not saying your GP is no good,, but doctors like to use the "its just tendonitis" diagnosis.I had wrist problems for a year after a broke it.My local doc said thats as good as it will ever be,get use to it.
Flew to Sydney and saw a hand and wrist specialist,had an opp, can now bend my wrist,no pain.If I listened to my local doc,I would still be in pain.




Agreed.
I hurt my ankle sailing... a real bad twist when foot got stuck in the strap. The GP said no probs, take anti-inflammatories and see a physio.
The physio (reputedly a good one) said 1 week rest, then a bit of really gentle use (slow walking when strapped), and after 3 weeks ish on easy does it and some anti inflammtories we will get you on the wobble board

I didn't like it, went to a specialist and had an MRI within a week of the injury.
Has a minor break in a bone and 3 partially torn ligaments. I was in a cam boot (comfy version of a plaster cast really) for 6 weeks with zero movement and didn't sail for 6 months.

And they were going to get me moving it almost straight away!

EDIT: ****ked if I know how one person can get green thumbs and I agree with them and get red.
Looks like Mr redthumbs is back again playing kindergarten games.
stop being juvenile and get a life.

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 9:14PM
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KenHo said...

Also, as I pick up some speed and hit some waves, I get scared from being catapulted so I unhook, and hang of that wrist again.


Stop doing that. The harness is your friend. Bend your knees and dig in (by which I mean to brace your core, like ski-ing powder) for chop.
Sounds like you are progressing well, but adjusting the sail by steering with your feet.
If the sail is falling back, steer downwind a bit, and if it's falling forward, steer upwind a bit.


Thanks for the advice. I'll try next time.

It's not that simple for me though. I'm still in the inner straps position.
Lately, I've been using 8m sail (lack of wind), and when I get overpowered (and that's often) I release some pressure from the sail which gets me closer to the tip-over position. If I hit a wave then, I get totaly unsettled.






Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 9:29PM
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This was not a trauma for me.
No sudden twists causing sharp pains. No breakage, no swelling, just a dull pain as I stretch or twist the hand.

But as you metioned the GPs...
The GP just said : "It'a tendonitis" . No advice on how long, what to do, nothing.

I'm trying to stay away from them if I can because they are unwilling to give me time.

I can imagine they are tied up to the KPIs on high patient turnaround.
In the end it's a business. Always has been... still..


stonesurf
WA, 77 posts
8 Oct 2010 9:34PM
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Try changing the diameter of your grip, ie the boom. Move things up or down a bit, different length harness lines. l have found that by having a different position puts the strain else where so does not keep aggravating the injury and allows it to settle down. Stops the RSI in one paticular position. Good luck.

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
9 Oct 2010 1:13AM
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Obelix said...

busterwa said...

dont kid yourself!





But this one looks real : www.solutionsdept.com/palmharness/


I like the idea and can see how it works, the idea of the hook worries me though, anything with a hook is bound to catch on something? Good idea for those who like to cruise or for long distance blasting. Anyone on this forum using it? Perhaps this should have gone under a new topic.

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
8 Oct 2010 10:28PM
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But this one looks real : www.solutionsdept.com/palmharness/

I like the idea and can see how it works, the idea of the hook worries me though, anything with a hook is bound to catch on something? Good idea for those who like to cruise or for long distance blasting. Anyone on this forum using it? Perhaps this should have gone under a new topic.


True, I get catapulted easily. Now I woud be even more firmly hooked in

Not bad as a general idea while healing. I.E. carrying shopping bags, etc.


lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
9 Oct 2010 8:39AM
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Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...



It is well worth getting a second opinion from a specialist,,,not saying your GP is no good,, but doctors like to use the "its just tendonitis" diagnosis.I had wrist problems for a year after a broke it.My local doc said thats as good as it will ever be,get use to it.
Flew to Sydney and saw a hand and wrist specialist,had an opp, can now bend my wrist,no pain.If I listened to my local doc,I would still be in pain.




Agreed.
I hurt my ankle sailing... a real bad twist when foot got stuck in the strap. The GP said no probs, take anti-inflammatories and see a physio.
The physio (reputedly a good one) said 1 week rest, then a bit of really gentle use (slow walking when strapped), and after 3 weeks ish on easy does it and some anti inflammtories we will get you on the wobble board

I didn't like it, went to a specialist and had an MRI within a week of the injury.
Has a minor break in a bone and 3 partially torn ligaments. I was in a cam boot (comfy version of a plaster cast really) for 6 weeks with zero movement and didn't sail for 6 months.

And they were going to get me moving it almost straight away!

EDIT: ****ked if I know how one person can get green thumbs and I agree with them and get red.
Looks like Mr redthumbs is back again playing kindergarten games.
stop being juvenile and get a life.


OMFG..........did I read that right.
Did markie agree with me or am I missing some hidden meaning somewhere????

Dont let the red thumbers make you upset,,,its not really important,its only an internet forum. I gave you a green thumb,,,,I know,,,I never thought I would see the day either.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
9 Oct 2010 10:51AM
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Over-powered on a monster sail is always tricky, but staying hooked in maintains mast foot pressure, which keeps your board composed.
You can sheet out while staying hooked in and organised.




Obelix said...

KenHo said...

Also, as I pick up some speed and hit some waves, I get scared from being catapulted so I unhook, and hang of that wrist again.


Stop doing that. The harness is your friend. Bend your knees and dig in (by which I mean to brace your core, like ski-ing powder) for chop.
Sounds like you are progressing well, but adjusting the sail by steering with your feet.
If the sail is falling back, steer downwind a bit, and if it's falling forward, steer upwind a bit.


Thanks for the advice. I'll try next time.

It's not that simple for me though. I'm still in the inner straps position.
Lately, I've been using 8m sail (lack of wind), and when I get overpowered (and that's often) I release some pressure from the sail which gets me closer to the tip-over position. If I hit a wave then, I get totaly unsettled.









Mark _australia
WA, 22722 posts
9 Oct 2010 8:23AM
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lotofwind said...

Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...



It is well worth getting a second opinion from a specialist,,,not saying your GP is no good,, but doctors like to use the "its just tendonitis" diagnosis.I had wrist problems for a year after a broke it.My local doc said thats as good as it will ever be,get use to it.
Flew to Sydney and saw a hand and wrist specialist,had an opp, can now bend my wrist,no pain.If I listened to my local doc,I would still be in pain.




Agreed.
I hurt my ankle sailing... a real bad twist when foot got stuck in the strap. The GP said no probs, take anti-inflammatories and see a physio.
The physio (reputedly a good one) said 1 week rest, then a bit of really gentle use (slow walking when strapped), and after 3 weeks ish on easy does it and some anti inflammtories we will get you on the wobble board

I didn't like it, went to a specialist and had an MRI within a week of the injury.
Has a minor break in a bone and 3 partially torn ligaments. I was in a cam boot (comfy version of a plaster cast really) for 6 weeks with zero movement and didn't sail for 6 months.

And they were going to get me moving it almost straight away!

EDIT: ****ked if I know how one person can get green thumbs and I agree with them and get red.
Looks like Mr redthumbs is back again playing kindergarten games.
stop being juvenile and get a life.


OMFG..........did I read that right.
Did markie agree with me or am I missing some hidden meaning somewhere????

Dont let the red thumbers make you upset,,,its not really important,its only an internet forum. I gave you a green thumb,,,,I know,,,I never thought I would see the day either.


Yes I gave you one too cos u were right

I better go abuse kiters in another thread now before this becomes like a kiter and windsurfer hug n cry session

Mister Dugong
368 posts
9 Oct 2010 9:34AM
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^^^^^^^^^
aawwwwww you two are so sweet, whose gonna propose first?

extra:
My wrist is a bit dodge from my previous life as chef..cuttn pumpkins was the starter, making coffee on them machines does it too.... Now I swing a hammer and it gives me grief every now and then. Recently did the diagnosis with the doc trail and nothing obviously wrong, so strains and overuse syndromes declared with rest and anti inflamatorys perscribed....which never happens unless pain is shockin.

What I find helpfull is to massage the upper forearm near the elbow, the inside of the elbow facing the ceiling with fingers pointed straight toward your toes, it seems to work better if the fingers are hyper extended on something for support.
There is no pain in the wrist while doing this but a fairly intense strech is felt in the meaty bit of muscle. I got this from a physio, Im no doctor so go easy,

For me a few days of this and pain is significantly reduced, I stop doing it and im good until I upset it again...If I massage direclty on the join it gets worse or not better, or even turn it from good to bad!!!



And a toast to old blokes making comebacks..Physically run in and mentally superior!!!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8069 posts
9 Oct 2010 4:36PM
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I've got 2 tennis elbow which are a bit different but I rely on the harness heaps..if overpowered I luff the sail a little ( let it out) sit in the harness to keep the weight on the mastfoot/boom .If there is more pull on my front hand as a result of letting the sail out I'll move the front harness line forward a bit to take the pressure off my arm.
Try & stay relaxed..I find I often don't realise how cramped /tense I am sailing especially overpowered and have to focus on relaxing my grip , stance etc..If the harness is doing the work you should be able to lightly hold the boom.
Don't ignore it & hope it will go away.Massage & icegel might help after + stretches if you can get specific ones..

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
9 Oct 2010 6:04PM
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sboardcrazy said...

if overpowered I luff the sail a little ( let it out) sit in the harness to keep the weight on the mastfoot/boom .If there is more pull on my front hand as a result of letting the sail out I'll move the front harness line forward a bit to take the pressure off my arm.
Try & stay relaxed..


I know I'll get there. So far, I only had 3-4 sessions fully strapped and harnessed, and getting more and more comfortable each time I go, but being catapulted whilst hooked was a very unpleasant exeprience so fear takes over

I do stretches, and wrist strengthening exercises. Ice didn't do much as I was doing it for some days. Physio's electro-therapy helped a bit.

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
9 Oct 2010 9:06PM
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Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
9 Oct 2010 6:07PM
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wotzy77 said...



What I find helpfull is to massage the upper forearm near the elbow, the inside of the elbow facing the ceiling with fingers pointed straight toward your toes, it seems to work better if the fingers are hyper extended on something for support.

There is no pain in the wrist while doing this but a fairly intense strech is felt in the meaty bit of muscle.



I tried, and interestingly enough it made an immediate result. It's not like I fully recovered, but it does feel much better.
Thanks for that, I'll keep doing this.

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
9 Oct 2010 6:09PM
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flipper4444 said...






Is this like a "Tiger Balm". A thing with a strong smell and a sort of a cooling effect?

Mister Dugong
368 posts
9 Oct 2010 6:52PM
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Obelix said...

flipper4444 said...






Is this like a "Tiger Balm". A thing with a strong smell and a sort of a cooling effect?




Ive been wanting to share that forearm move for ages!!!!!! Funnilly its good for my ankles as a placebo mind jedi trick...forearms relax, so calves relax...wierd eh.

The Goanna spray bottle i assume is emu oil....
liquid gold
A remedy as old as australia itself. Not only supposed to be great for joints but Is renowned for its 'absorbing deep into the flesh properties' and so often mixed with other ingredients.
Expensive but beautiful to massage with and an ingredient in many wonder creams.
Try mixing it with wintergreen oil (feels like menthol), eucalyptus oil (which ive only just converted to) Both are supposed to be great for muscles. Comfrey for bones (and broken hymens back in the day apparently????!!!!!!).

Glucosamine is a definite everyday affair for me.
fish oil.
magnesium.

But by far correct stretching and strengthening i find effective...being lazy I also do this too little!

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
10 Oct 2010 11:00AM
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THe other thing I forgot to mention about tendonitis, is that it does respond well to "eccentric loading exercises".
In the OP's case, it more likely a strain of the medial collateral ligament of the wrist, so unlikely to help.

Obelix
WA, 1103 posts
10 Oct 2010 9:39AM
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KenHo said...

THe other thing I forgot to mention about tendonitis, is that it does respond well to "eccentric loading exercises".
In the OP's case, it more likely a strain of the medial collateral ligament of the wrist, so unlikely to help.


I looked it up. My physio measured the hand grip strength and it was 20% under the other hand, so she gave me a rubber band and the stress ball and shown me the exercises.
After 4 days, my grip was almost the same, but there is still clicking in the wrist when rotating, and it hasn't healed.

I'll keep stretching and will get this Goanna ointment.
And and keep windsurfing....



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