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catching a rail in chop as entering gybe

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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 13 Mar 2012
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
13 Mar 2012 10:44AM
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Grr..I've stacked it before doing this.Yesterday was the first day I only took one board with me when I went down to go sailing..It wasn't supposed to blow was it..So I ended up on the big board 125ltres ( + 63 of weight) in a choppy 20kts. I'd been blasting around with a big fin and 5.8m sail and felt very on the edge so I came in & went to a 5m with a smaller fin and everything felt really good.
I decided to gybe in a big gust and just grabbed the rail badly as I entered and landed on the boom teeth first..****..b tooth bashed..Doesn't hurt but the wallet is going to.. Sorry about the super close pic..didn't want to show my whole mug..





Think I'll be wearing a mouthguard from now on -if I can find one small enough for a woman.
I suppose I just need to be more careful picking my spot , not jam the edge on so quickly and use a smaller board..???? Going out again today- I hope I don't injure myself .. feel jinxed. I've been on crutches 2x this year due to sailing and now this ( + usual smaller injuries).
I wasn't going to get it fixed but someone said it might get decay in it and cost more..? My partner says I look like a witch..

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
13 Mar 2012 11:15AM
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Gee that looks close to exposing some nerves. You gotta get it capped or it will eventually wear down to the nerve endings-which surely must be half a mil away. Plus it looks a tad spooky.

PS- Sorry, can't help with any gybing info (on L plates there..), but you've certainly made me think about my teeth in relation to the boom.

WaynoB
NSW, 393 posts
13 Mar 2012 12:09PM
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Sorry to see your injury Sue. Can commiserate as I have put my top front teeth into my bottom lip when crashing into the boom when wave sailing after coming off a jump. What's a bit of pain and blood when compared to the joy of windsurfing?

Don't think a mouthguard would work as it means you would have to do all your breathing through your nose and have to keep you mouth closed most of the time.

As for your technique, if you commit your weight to the inside rail and hold the rig down so it loads up the board, you should make it more times than not. You may also have to make your turn a bit wider so you have a flatter board profile. Try it - good luck with the tooth.

Remember Jack Nicholson once said "You can't handle the tooth."

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
13 Mar 2012 12:36PM
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wbailey said...

Sorry to see your injury Sue. Can commiserate as I have put my top front teeth into my bottom lip when crashing into the boom when wave sailing after coming off a jump. What's a bit of pain and blood when compared to the joy of windsurfing?

Don't think a mouthguard would work as it means you would have to do all your breathing through your nose and have to keep you mouth closed most of the time.

As for your technique, if you commit your weight to the inside rail and hold the rig down so it loads up the board, you should make it more times than not. You may also have to make your turn a bit wider so you have a flatter board profile. Try it - good luck with the tooth.

Remember Jack Nicholson once said "You can't handle the tooth."


Wavesailing..yep my first thoughts were cripes I'm only sailing on the lake!.I think I might stay clear of the waves if I can damage myself this well on the lake!.
Maybe a wider arc would be the way to go..It's going to be hard to be game enough to enter choppy gybes as aggressively after this stack..eek.. Oh well i better not do it too often as I can't afford to! Sounds like it will be about c $300 to fix although they haven't seen it yet..I had visions of $1000 etc as I don't go to dentists much but have heard horror stories re $.
Don't understand the quote?

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
13 Mar 2012 11:11AM
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Gotta bend those legs in the gusts and get low, low, low actually just bending your knees and your elbows will absorb the shock from the chop before you over the bars...


Sorry bout the teeth,

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
13 Mar 2012 8:30PM
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So many things to think about gybing need to focus on the getting low & pulling down into the boom..out again today . Not as windy.Once I got up to top speed I whimped & came in to change down sail + board but murphy's law.. It died down again.. Good sail though.
Everytime I went into a gybe I thought about crashing..

FormulaNova
WA, 14811 posts
13 Mar 2012 6:42PM
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Ouch! My teeth feel nervous, just looking at your photo.

I guess the one rule of windsurfing (at least on the east coast) is take all your gear!

Can you get it capped with carbon fibre? Gold or plain white is just not good enough. Maybe a Neil Pryde logo there somewhere?

I think the quote wbailey was talking about was "You can't handle the truth (tooth)"...

busterwa
3777 posts
13 Mar 2012 6:50PM
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Just wear one of these !!



But don't say "Are you.... there Clarice" in a deep voice cause that would freak people out!

busterwa
3777 posts
13 Mar 2012 6:55PM
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Step more to the back of the board with the lead foot Probally best to slowdown and come off the trim Let the wave/swell carry your momentum. I think this can be a common injury for people who duckjibe!

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
13 Mar 2012 10:18PM
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looks painful!!

Lake chop can be worse than sea chop because it's closer spaced. If it's shorter wavelength than the board, then no amount of knee bend is going to solve the fact.

The board bounces less when it's on its side and when you're sheeted right in.

Most importantly, the boom shouldn't be in front of your face anyway - try to keep sight of as much of the nose of the board until you flip the rig, this will make you lean the rig to leeward plus make you come forward to look around it.

Boombuster
QLD, 576 posts
14 Mar 2012 10:12AM
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I have broken many teeth I go for the cheap cap they seem to last me well.
I have never broken one wind surfing but come close too it a few times I manly break mine biting on chops bone I alway find something hard in my food while my wife never finds anything but she has good teeth with no fillings.
Looks bad I know how you feel try keeping your mouth shut next time?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
14 Mar 2012 12:15PM
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busterwa said...

Just wear one of these !!



But don't say "Are you.... there Clarice" in a deep voice cause that would freak people out!


Where can I get one??..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
14 Mar 2012 12:18PM
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ginger pom said...

looks painful!!

Lake chop can be worse than sea chop because it's closer spaced. If it's shorter wavelength than the board, then no amount of knee bend is going to solve the fact.

The board bounces less when it's on its side and when you're sheeted right in.

Most importantly, the boom shouldn't be in front of your face anyway - try to keep sight of as much of the nose of the board until you flip the rig, this will make you lean the rig to leeward plus make you come forward to look around it.


I still can't seem to straighten my front arm and I keep the rig too close to my body..I know I do it but changing it is hard..I get it occasionally in flat water but in survival chop I go to bits. I definitely need to pull down into the boom more and get further forward..
Also now this has happened it will be hard to go charging in as usual..I think the chop was just short and sharp..I usually go further till I get to flatter water but there were strips of floating weed there so I turned earlier.MM good idea re looking to see if you can see the nose.. Only problem is need and try to look at the exit the whole way through the gybe as it goes better..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
14 Mar 2012 12:21PM
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Glynn Merrit said...

I have broken many teeth I go for the cheap cap they seem to last me well.
I have never broken one wind surfing but come close too it a few times I manly break mine biting on chops bone I alway find something hard in my food while my wife never finds anything but she has good teeth with no fillings.
Looks bad I know how you feel try keeping your mouth shut next time?


I was probably going @#@##!! as I went in...

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
15 Mar 2012 7:48AM
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sboardcrazy said...

ginger pom said...

looks painful!!

Lake chop can be worse than sea chop because it's closer spaced. If it's shorter wavelength than the board, then no amount of knee bend is going to solve the fact.

The board bounces less when it's on its side and when you're sheeted right in.

Most importantly, the boom shouldn't be in front of your face anyway - try to keep sight of as much of the nose of the board until you flip the rig, this will make you lean the rig to leeward plus make you come forward to look around it.


I still can't seem to straighten my front arm and I keep the rig too close to my body..I know I do it but changing it is hard..I get it occasionally in flat water but in survival chop I go to bits. I definitely need to pull down into the boom more and get further forward..
Also now this has happened it will be hard to go charging in as usual..I think the chop was just short and sharp..I usually go further till I get to flatter water but there were strips of floating weed there so I turned earlier.MM good idea re looking to see if you can see the nose.. Only problem is need and try to look at the exit the whole way through the gybe as it goes better..

Enter on a very broad reach for a while. You don't need to consciously extend when you do this cos the rig pulls you forward

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
15 Mar 2012 10:52AM
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ginger pom said...

sboardcrazy said...

ginger pom said...

looks painful!!

Lake chop can be worse than sea chop because it's closer spaced. If it's shorter wavelength than the board, then no amount of knee bend is going to solve the fact.

The board bounces less when it's on its side and when you're sheeted right in.

Most importantly, the boom shouldn't be in front of your face anyway - try to keep sight of as much of the nose of the board until you flip the rig, this will make you lean the rig to leeward plus make you come forward to look around it.


I still can't seem to straighten my front arm and I keep the rig too close to my body..I know I do it but changing it is hard..I get it occasionally in flat water but in survival chop I go to bits. I definitely need to pull down into the boom more and get further forward..
Also now this has happened it will be hard to go charging in as usual..I think the chop was just short and sharp..I usually go further till I get to flatter water but there were strips of floating weed there so I turned earlier.MM good idea re looking to see if you can see the nose.. Only problem is need and try to look at the exit the whole way through the gybe as it goes better..

Enter on a very broad reach for a while. You don't need to consciously extend when you do this cos the rig pulls you forward



If you let it..
I just almost gave myself a heart attack...I was ringing around to find a dentist to fix my broken tooth and the lady said.'.Ok that's fine he can take it out and have it fixed today and put it back in..' ??????!!! EEkk....
Then we realised I'd rung a denture place and she was talking about false teeth..lol's
Phew.. It sounded pretty drastic. How was he going to put my pulled tooth back in..?.

steveBayside
VIC, 169 posts
15 Mar 2012 11:39AM
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Ive had a longboard caught by the shorebreak when launching and its full weight went into my 2 front teeth, blood and pain but luckily no damage

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
15 Mar 2012 5:09PM
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bad luck Sue,

you need a big trailer or van to carry all the gear to the beach, or go back to Lord Howe where taz will bring a different board ready, like a golf caddy

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
15 Mar 2012 6:55PM
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FoS said...

bad luck Sue,

you need a big trailer or van to carry all the gear to the beach, or go back to Lord Howe where taz will bring a different board ready, like a golf caddy


Wow wouldn't it be good to have Tas set up everything! I could have carried the board its just that I believed the forecast....I've got the use of a van occasionally now but I don't seem to be getting to use it for sailing much somehow..
Whats the sailing been like down your way? Trying to pursuade my non sailing partner he needs to go to LHI this year..

Mungo
10 posts
18 Mar 2012 9:14PM
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Wow, bad luck. It looks like it should be painful.

Gybing overpowered in choppy water is much like bottom turning on waves here in the uk. It's really important to engage the rail so that you slice through the chop and make your turn more predictable. Here's a few tips to help you do this.

Move your back hand right down the boom before you initiate the turn. The extra leverage will help you control the power in the rig.

As you start turning, lean the rig into the turn and oversheet, pulling your back hand almost behind you. This does three things. It dumps the power in the rig so that it's easier to turn the board off the rail, it puts pressure on your back foot which engages the rail and it directs the power from your rig (through the mast base) sideways into the water keeping the nose from bouncing around.

Don't hold the over-sheeted position too long, perhaps a second at most. It'll help you turn faster and tighter so you'll need to open the rig faster too. Once the rail is engaged you'll have the control (hopefully) to open the rig and move it forwards.

Remember to ensure that your back foot is as far back as possible to engage the rail. Banking the board over on the soft rail further up the board is less effective and you'll be more likely to trip.

So, wide hands, wide feet and oversheet. Easy (not)
Good luck

Wood Duck
157 posts
18 Mar 2012 11:34PM
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You could probably do with a wax as well.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
20 Mar 2012 1:53PM
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Wood Duck said...

You could probably do with a wax as well.


Or a shave...

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
20 Mar 2012 1:58PM
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Got the tooth fixed..Next time my horse has his teeth done I'll feel really sorry for him. Not only does he have a big rasp in his mouth but he has to wear a gag ratchet thingy that holds his mouth open ..yick..
Dentist spent 30mins doing the tooth and showed it to me & it still looked like a fang..He'd made the perfect tooth..just that he hadn't filled the gap..
I know where he's coming from as when I paint a portrait I can get focused on getting great eyes or something and lose track of the overall effect.That's why I have to put them aside for a week or so and when I have another look so I can see the overall effect.
I got him to fill the gap so I have a normal smile again and no longer look like a 'witch' (as my partner said..)



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