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crack next to fin box

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Created by bmanners > 9 months ago, 27 Dec 2011
bmanners
WA, 38 posts
27 Dec 2011 7:14PM
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I have a small crack forming around the front of the fin box on the under side of the board. I was thinking of digging it out a little with the dremel and filling with it epoxy to re-seal the board, then keep a close eye on it. Hopefully there is nothing too bad underneath and the seal holds - otherwise I have some deeper surgery to do...

Has anyone done a similar repair or should I be taking this to a professional?

Cheers
Brett



lungs
QLD, 492 posts
27 Dec 2011 9:53PM
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it might just be the photo, but it looks like there is some damage happening to the right of the fin box aswell

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
27 Dec 2011 11:24PM
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that looks like a power box and my guess is its a tabou or simular fiberglass box , have a look at the top where the fin is bolted and see if there is any damage to the cavity

decrepit
WA, 12062 posts
27 Dec 2011 8:36PM
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Most of my fin boxes end up looking like that.
It's probably a chinook box, that has groves in the sides to key into the resin but none front and back.

The bottom flexes but the fin box doesn't so eventually there's a delam between front of box and the bottom sandwich. My fin boxes are set in closed cell foam and surrounded by fibreglass, so I'm not concerned when it happens.

If you drill down the crack you could damage any fibreglass around the box, then when it cracks again, (as it will) you'll have made it more likely to leak.
Not knowing how your board is made it's hard to give advice, but I'd watch for any sign of salt forming around the crack after the board is left upside down for a few days. If there isn't any it's probably best to ignore it.

Mark _australia
WA, 22285 posts
27 Dec 2011 10:13PM
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Agree with Decrepit - no water exiting the crack when left in the sun with the breather screw tightened, means no water has got in.
It looks so tiny (thin) as to be just a crack in the paint only, due to finbox movement on the smallest of scales.

On the other hand, I am inclined to fix things anyway

If so - drill a 1mm hole at the ends of the crack - this stops it going further.... 3-5mm deep holes should be plenty.
Grind out the crack with a thin cutting blade in a Dremel so you just have a cut in the board- or if you cant get one, a 40mm ish washer, with some cuts in the edge to rough it up, on a bolt in the drill will do. Be careful, we are talking a tiny cut.
Then fill with epoxy resin.

joe windsurf
1480 posts
28 Dec 2011 1:34AM
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once you are shure no water got in, why not just cover it ??
something like SolarEZ or MarineTex should do the job, non ??

decrepit
WA, 12062 posts
28 Dec 2011 8:49PM
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well I think it's probably a waste of time tying to fix it.
I'm fairly sure the crack is because of the poor bond between epoxy and the plastic the box is made from. there is a good bond to the side of the box because of the dovetail grooves there, but the front of the box is just straight plastic. Any flexing in the bottom sandwich will cause a hairline crack there. Your repair attempt may only last a few sails.

I guess if you can drill a few of small holes, in the front of the box, so that the holes are about 70% in the box and 30% in the foam that will act like the dovetail grooves in the side, and give a better bond, but you're still in danger of drilling thru any sealing that's there.

It's possible that I'm wrong and it's not a chinook box. If you scratch the paint behind the crack I predict you'll find black plastic.
If not and it looks more like fibreglass or carbon fibre, then a fix may be in order.

Some boards have a layer of cloth over the box, the crack is still there, but the layer of cloth covers it up so you don't see it.

bmanners
WA, 38 posts
28 Dec 2011 11:07PM
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Thanks for the input everyone.

the board is a Starboard Carve about 3-4 years old. The fin did meet a sand bar so there was some movement there. I will turn the board upside down and see how much water comes out of the crack (might wait until friday to do this as it will be 39 tomorrow).

I can see any other damage to the fin box.

Cheers
Brett

actiomax
NSW, 1575 posts
29 Dec 2011 8:25AM
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I can see the whole fin box getting pulled out if theres some movement.I think it would be cheaper & easier to cut the box out & repair it properly now than ending up with a massive whole were your fin box used to be & then you lose your fin & box When it lets go when your sailing. Have fun

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
29 Dec 2011 9:24AM
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there are 2 types of boxes, one has a housing box from the bottom to the deck, the other is just the box recessed 5mm into the bottom with a pole anchored to the deck where Th fin is bolted, by looking at the photo you have the second box, id be still looking at the cavity where its screwed in fore cracks

actiomax
NSW, 1575 posts
31 Dec 2011 7:25AM
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Yes i learnt about the two types of fin boxes the hard way the one that goes thought to the deck is whats in my board now the short box that only has post for screw is the one that ripped out of my board .Honestly i think if it was me & after ripping a box out i would have to pull it out & repair it just for peace of mind when sailing.
I cant understand why people are red thumbing the reply's to this thread .

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
31 Dec 2011 8:04AM
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now i am getting confused i thought it was banners that posted this thread but it sounds like you did i think you should get a red thumb for confusing the matter
"EDIT" sorry actiomax i misread your post i can see now your talking about a thread you did on your repair , and well done excellent job and i totally agree with your previous comments im sure that box has a post
you can now have a green thumb and go strait past GO

bmanners
WA, 38 posts
1 Jan 2012 9:53PM
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Update: No water has come out of the crack (with plug sealed). so it looks like there hasn't been any leaks. The top deck where the fin bolts go also looks fine - cant see any cracks there. Might do a shallow repair just to smooth over the crack and if it returns take the board to a shop.

Cheers
Brett

albers
NSW, 1737 posts
2 Jan 2012 2:05PM
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IMO, the uneven area to the right side of the box looks like the result of a previous repair job that was not "feathered" enough to blend in.

I would get your local windsurf shop to give it the once over.

Cheers



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