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downhaul crank tool

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Created by jp747 > 9 months ago, 20 Feb 2008
jp747
1553 posts
21 Feb 2008 11:31PM
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Wineman said...

My very expensive downhaul tool - works well with special slippery downhaul rope from WS&S.
Not for cammed sails though!




exactly what i have wineman without the holes before i had the tool made

Krisiz1
WA, 331 posts
22 Feb 2008 11:55PM
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I made a crank, best thing ever. In the middle of winter, after youve been out for a couple of hours and the wind really picks up and youve got no feeling left in your fingers, you can pull on an extra inch of downhaul. Also when you are downhauling with a winch on a normal day you can be watching the leech and mast rather than squintinting and straining and hoping you don't pop a haemorroid.

goodbrewster
55 posts
23 Feb 2008 11:40PM
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OceanBlue64 said...

I have a little nerve damage in fingers and toes so I struggle a little with downhaul. I have been thinking about buying one of those tools. Are any better than others?
Be interested in seeing a picture of the one you had made jp747, as I may even make one myself.


I own two cranks. One is a Gun which works for europin, the other an obscure manufacture for Chinook style. I found that one in the weeds at a beach. A guy once lent me his Chinook, but I couldn't really discover how to use it. Every one of them has it's own tricks, and all can be dangerous. You have to be careful about putting in too much downhaul as I have had sails snap and rip. Not only that you can catch a finger somewhere in the tangle. The downhaul line has to be strong enough to hold the tension for sure. However, the sail has to be built well. I've also had the cleat pull out of an extention. Some branded big sails (North, Loft, and others) require a huge amount of downhaul to extend their ranges.

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
24 Feb 2008 1:54AM
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I second the Ezzy knot! Couldn't be simpler.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30756

steve o
NSW, 34 posts
24 Feb 2008 12:23PM
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Mr Cranky...get the most out of your sail...only way to go.

steve o
NSW, 34 posts
24 Feb 2008 12:27PM
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Sorry photo wasent attached its in the photo section.

boardboy
QLD, 554 posts
25 Feb 2008 11:47PM
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i just wrap the downhaul rope around my hand and then apply downhaul with a bicep-curl type action. You get all the tension you need! Only problem is it is a little easy to over tension and snap the rope! Thinking about upgrading the downhaul rope to a 4mm braided stainless steel cable to rectify the problem.

mikey100
QLD, 1052 posts
27 Feb 2008 12:43PM
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Hydropuller ???

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
27 Feb 2008 12:32PM
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mikey100 said...

Hydropuller ???


www.hydrodynamix.com/assets/images/pulla-use.jpg

Available at all good windsurf shops Australia wide.

jp747
1553 posts
27 Feb 2008 10:00PM
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been using the crank tool made locally and in one rigging broke 2 ropesonly to figure out the hole on the lever was drilled correctly but wasn't 'chamferred' as not to nick the lines[}:)]so now it's sanded down conically and should work out fine..i noticed as you reach the prescribed luff length the last cm.'s tend to be the hardest without tool i guess it gets closer to the extension and gets pinched quite a bit..

steve o
NSW, 34 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:00AM
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JP747...Just make sure that you have the down haul rope threaded corectly...and yes the last one or two Cm's are critical to sail preformance and inevitably your comfort on the water... this is where i see the down fall in the broom stick types when you just want to make a small adjustment (one or two cms more down haul)...Good luck Steve O

Wet Willy
TAS, 2316 posts
29 Feb 2008 8:34PM
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Don't be a moron. Use a crank. So many people do their backs in one way or another; why add to the risk? If the rope snaps, or pulls through in a jerky motion, it can really hurt your lower back.

jp747 how did you get your crank made? Did you have some specs to show the guy or what? The ones I can buy in Singapore are like $70 or something; I'd rather get one made cheap if possible!!

Brick
SA, 66 posts
29 Feb 2008 11:21PM
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I've made a couple but my last effort is a beauty .I took a section of old mast extension ,drilled a hole ,took an old sidcrome ratchet spanner and a 10" extension ,drilled a small hole in the end to fit the rope ,inserted a piece of copper pipe into the hole drilled in the old mast extension as a bearing ,and then put the sidcrome extension thru and like magic, a downaul tool .Damn I'm just so cheap!

jp747
1553 posts
29 Feb 2008 10:20PM
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steve o said...

JP747...Just make sure that you have the down haul rope threaded corectly...and yes the last one or two Cm's are critical to sail preformance and inevitably your comfort on the water... this is where i see the down fall in the broom stick types when you just want to make a small adjustment (one or two cms more down haul)...Good luck Steve O


hey stevie i make sure that i get a couple of loops on the lever before cranking to make sure no nicks on the lines..Wetty, i brought the machinist a pic of a chinook crank tool and told him to follow using stainless tubing not solid and brought along a mastfoot so he could measure the little "dong" that goes into the extension..lever was 1/2"ss and hole for threading 5mm..i had him make a circular plate on top of the tube that will hold the dong..works a real treat and just as smooth as the original from a windsurf station..don't worry if you want a pic let me know i will take a pic and send it to you

25
WA, 319 posts
29 Feb 2008 10:35PM
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Looks like everyone missed the most important post in this string!

It was from Puffin in the US of A!!

Marlow Formuline [3.8 mm Spectra braid] is by far the best downhaul line in the world. Sure it costs a bit but I have one 1.5m downhaul that I have been using since August and there are very slight signs of wear (I have sailed quite a bit since August 07). When the cleat area looks really worn I'll end for end it and use the 'new' end in the cleat area. This stuff is so slipopery through the pulleys you will not believe it, but it sticks in cleat like you know what!

The weave is excetionally tight and apparently the cross section does not flatten much as it goes around the pulleys. I used to have to crank my KA Koncepts but with this stuff I can do it by hand or at worst use the harness hook for a minor pull!

I used to use Marlow pre stretched 4mm. I would be lucky to get 10 sessions out of after using the crank.

Surf Sail Australia has it - pre cut from Streamline - its $13 for 1.5m but my word its worth it - no tools no sore backs - get it today!!!

http://www.surfsailaustralia.com.au/showProduct/Windsurfing+-+Accessories/Ropes/416148/Ultra+Formula+Line

jp747
1553 posts
29 Feb 2008 10:59PM
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so that one too 25i think spectra which np has is around 1.50$ per meter? but it is the "toughest" one out there for abrasions and nicks where rope breaks tend to happen on a cranki would presume this is the kind they use for kite lines

jp747
1553 posts
29 Feb 2008 11:06PM
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here's another tough one to adjust and am thinking on what to add to the crank to set properly the luff length..as soon as you're down cranking i tend to over do the settings by at least 3cm's so as you let go of the crank to cleat it there's a loss of about that much and should be fine..do you mates do the same thing? it is quite hard on the fingers to push the line to the cleat if you are using a different mast base extension[}:)]

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
1 Mar 2008 6:39PM
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I have to STRONGLY agree with 25. Today whilst rigging my RS4 6.7 using a crank I snapped my downhaul rope. I only lost about 30cm so no major drama but there were other spots of wear so I decided to use the brand new piece of Marlow Formuline I had in my kit. This stuff is so slippery I physically couldn't wrap it around my hand to pull the initial bit of downhaul on without it slipping through my fingers. I grabbed a small piece of dowel that I used before I got my crank so I could get enough line through the downhaul cleat to then switch over to the crank and bugger me if I didn't then crank it on, by hand, MORE than I have ever been able to comfortably do with the crank. This rope is quite amazing. NEVER has such a small piece of gear made SUCH a difference to my rigging and enjoyment. I dreaded using that crank, I was always waiting for either it or my mast or extension to snap due to enormous pressure it puts itself under. Well thankfully it looks like that is all in the past now. Do yourselves a favour, go get some of this line, you won't regret it.

jp747
1553 posts
6 Mar 2008 9:26PM
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Wet Willy said...

Don't be a moron. Use a crank. So many people do their backs in one way or another; why add to the risk? If the rope snaps, or pulls through in a jerky motion, it can really hurt your lower back.

jp747 how did you get your crank made? Did you have some specs to show the guy or what? The ones I can buy in Singapore are like $70 or something; I'd rather get one made cheap if possible!!


here it is wetty..for 20us$



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