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need help finding info on SUP/windsurfer.

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Created by evelyntrembl > 9 months ago, 7 Dec 2010
evelyntrembl
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7 Dec 2010 4:20AM
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This might be a long explanation and this is a topic that have probably been covered before. I am looking for a windsurfing package and I have no idea what it is that I should look for nor where. I was told not to buy some old ebay kit as they have progressed quite a bit. Then I found out that they make SUP windsurfers. This for me would be the best of both words as I could paddle about the lake and sail it as well. do I want this? or should I just get an sup AND a windsurfer? and Is there a company out there that sells the complete kit? Board, paddle, mast, sail,? Also what type of situation should I be looking for? I am about 5’8” and weigh in at about 140. I am an avid surfer, long boarder, and sailor, wake boarder etc.. have not windsurfed in years. I am reading around the web and being acquainted with terns such as cruising, gliding planning etc. I am not wanting something I can hot dog around the waves with. Just something to sail about and paddle.. and who would sell the complete kit?! Thanks!!!!

DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
7 Dec 2010 9:11AM
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I suggest going to your nearest windsurf shop, and asking them, it will be certainly the best place to get a package, I doubt there are that many windsurf / SUPs available second hand.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
7 Dec 2010 9:21AM
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There will be next to none used on the market. If you insist on being able to paddle, then a brand new SUP will do, but do not expect incredible performance, neither speed nor upwind. It's a compromise.

I had the chance to try a Starboard SUP 12'6" for a season - big, but rather OK for social, teaching, and the 5-20 knot range. Even planes if you work at it. Comes with complete rig, but I recommend building your own SUP rig(s) at the local shop.

Another alternative might be a modern Windsurfer OD.

Gorgo
VIC, 5049 posts
7 Dec 2010 9:57AM
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All the larger Starboard SUPs come with a hole to bolt on a mast. You're supposed to sail them with a small sail and it emulates the speed of paddling. It's not windsurfing, as in blasting about. They are not strong enough to do any serious windsurfing on.

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
7 Dec 2010 10:26AM
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Here's some fantastic use of Starboard SUPs in windsurfer mode in flat beach and in decent size full waves. Looks like heaps of fun. I'd love one!

Look in Seabreeze's SUP classified, there are about 6 or more SUP/windsurfer type boards (with mast insert), most of the Starboards have them, also a Mistral Pacifico in there too. If in doubt look at the pics and see if you can spot 'dots' on the stringer line (centre) near the carry handle, they are the mast plugs. All you need to do next is go to your nearest windsurfer shop and source out a suitable rig, I'd recommend used to start with especially if you will play in the surf....are you 140 kg or 140 pounds? If you are 140kg go for a 5.5-6.5 sail or if 140lb (64kg) around a 4.5-5.5 sail. These sails should get you to paddling speed or more in light winds.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
7 Dec 2010 10:58AM
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All the Camo finish Starboard SUP's have mast plugs, and the smaller ones also have footstrap plugs. A lot of Naish and Fanatic boards also have them, due to the sailing background of those companies. Most of the dedicated SUP brands do not. The older 14' Naish Glides have them but the new ones coming through do not.
I've tried sailing mine, and it's OK, but not great. I spent a bit of time getting down-wind last week, which was not great fun. Bad tide not helping.
If you have not windsurfed in ages, you might be in for a shock as to how much fun that can be on modern gear.
DEdicated gear for both sports is going to be a lot more rewarding.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
7 Dec 2010 4:58PM
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Those widebodys look the goods!

I'm in a similar boat, want to pick up a lightwind w/surfer to teach the kids on, that doubles as a sup. I've been out flatwater supping on my 165lt JP Xcite, but it's not too good in waves & the sugarcoat trashes the kids skin! All searches have come up with either a sup that's crappy with a sail, or not strong enough to handle choppy conditions...or a w/surfer that doesn't paddle too well.

evelyntrembl
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8 Dec 2010 3:31AM
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If you have not windsurfed in ages, you might be in for a shock as to how much fun that can be on modern gear.
DEdicated gear for both sports is going to be a lot more rewarding.


after more reaserch and your answers, (thank YOU!) i now realize that the above statement is the way to go.. so now, for the nitty gritty.. I am 140 pounds, I am five feet 9 inches tall. I want to go fast, but need something for light winds as well as heavy winds> (beach and lake if there is such a thing) have not windsurf in YEARS, would need soemthing intermediate as i would, I think quickly curb up in learning. again,, not interested in hotdogging or freestyling about the waves, ( I use my fish surfboard for that) basically looking for something not TOTAL beginner but easy that i can grow with. what am i looking at? thanks fellas!

Dr Duck
SA, 450 posts
8 Dec 2010 8:09AM
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Can I add the Exocet Kona One as an option on this list. IMHO it's probably the most versatile board ever made. It can be used for teaching, one design racing, lightwind wave sailing, longboard freestyle, high wind blasting (30 knots board speed on flat water), cruising. It's OK as a part-time SUP - a little narrower than a dedicated SUP. Perfectly useable for flat-water SUP, probably a bit heavy for SUP in anything but small surf (much better as a very light wind waveboard).

To be honest, as soon as the wind hits 5 knots, I ditch the paddle and put up a sail because it's more fun :-)

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
8 Dec 2010 9:51AM
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evelyntrembl said...


after more reaserch and your answers, (thank YOU!) i now realize that the above statement is the way to go.. so now, for the nitty gritty.. I am 140 pounds, I am five feet 9 inches tall. I want to go fast, but need something for light winds as well as heavy winds> (beach and lake if there is such a thing) have not windsurf in YEARS, would need soemthing intermediate as i would, I think quickly curb up in learning. again,, not interested in hotdogging or freestyling about the waves, ( I use my fish surfboard for that) basically looking for something not TOTAL beginner but easy that i can grow with. what am i looking at? thanks fellas!


Now that you mentioned that you want to go fast, I would concur with Dr Duck, Kona/Exocet make ideal boards if you have a leaning towards a windsurfer more than a SUP. SUPs are very slow in comparison. Kona's are NOT just beginners boards either! They are the kind of board you can learn/re-learn on, advance with and hang on to while you add other boards to the quiver.

I have a Kona One, 220 litres and 3.5mtrs (11'5") long, 80cm wide, foot straps and it has a centreboard (fold-up or removeable - I removed mine) and it is very fast in high winds and glides resonably well in light. It is a very popular One Design race class in Europe too which backs up its performance. However at your weight it might be a tad large but they make smaller ones too with or without a centreboard in 11.5', 10.5', 9.5'. The ones without a centreboard are specifically designed to play in waves or blast around. Dunno how far back you go in your previous windsurfing but the newer boards are much wider than they used to be which makes them much more stable.

I haven't windsurfed in near 20 years but had a solid wave sailing experience in the '80s, I hopped on the Kona One this year and it was so easy to re-learn on. I'm 100kg so the 220 litres helped me get out in light under 15 knots and now that I've reached intermediate stage again it's showing how well it can handle 20+ knots. It's fast and manouverable for its size!

It can be SUP'd but a tad narrow compared to those boards which makes it a little wobbly but you can get used to that, rails are a bit chunky and square which takes it away from being a wave weapon but waves under 3' is OK-ish, I've yet to try it in this mode.

The RRD Easyrider is a similar board and in my eyes and a little sexier due the slightly slimmer rails and graphics but the Kona One has proven racing cred, you can enter any sailing longboard event and be in it with a chance.

Downside is they're not cheap, it's a 3.5 metre board and 18kg so it is big and heavy compared to other "intermediate" shorter boards, but very few boards can offer its wind range and versatility. You can cruise, blast, race, tour, teach and SUP it. The next smaller size down is a 10.5 with or without a centreboard, better for a lightweight and has more curvy rails which makes it a better surf proposition. A friend of mine has one of these and she uses it for everything. They're worth a look if the above fits your brief.

The Kona One is doing more than I expected which is a pleasant surprise. Does it sound like I like 'em?

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
8 Dec 2010 11:04AM
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At your height and weight, something like a 100-120L Freestyle Wave will work well.
They are fast enough to be fun, but very forgiving. Single back strap makes getting into the straps easy. Soft rails gybe easy and lap up the chop when the going gets brisk.
All the major brands do one. I'm most familiar with the JP version but they are all pretty similar. I had a 101L one for a year while I got back into sailing after a 6 year lay-off. FSW boards are very popular for good reason.
They are a real Labrador.

kamadokite
QLD, 15 posts
8 Dec 2010 12:48PM
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I'm using a Mistral, SUP Windsurfer for me to paddle (flat water mainly) light wind silly sailing, and teaching kids to sail and anyone else, perfect for all this...nice soft padded deck also, winner all round, picked mine up at WSP for around $700 ex demo...+ freigth and paddle.... only downside it doesnt have a carry handle cut out, paddles nice, sails liek an old school big long boards, works to my KISS program...this is the family and friends toy....i have more complicated toys just for me!



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