i spotted this in the photo section, and was wondering what kind of sail this was, and why they would call it nerd?
is it a speed sail?
I wonder more about using black pigment in resin so it looks like rubbed back carbon 
and even worse on the bottom so it gets hot as hell in the sun (triple )
not sure if your just taking the piss, but i'll bite. its the new 4 batten HERO - but nerd is a cool name for a sail
I had a black and grey board years ago shaped by bob margets (surfboard) yep got hot, then cooled then heated, over and over. Was so hard after a season of curing you could have hit it with a hammer and not inflict a dent. Was looking at the new quad today, I reckon it looks unreal, nice shape, fine rails. The big thing is that finally someone is building boards that are colorful and fun. Two thumbs up for fanatic.
All good greg, except for the fact that expansion and contraction can cause delam. Anytime a few layers of different things are stuck together they will want to come unstuck, and expansion-contraction cycles speed it up.
Might be a few years with white, and considerably shortened with black.
Black might be great in euro land but in Oz I'd stay well away from it.
Why make a board black unless it is absolutely necessary?
Nortfanatic, all the right colours, all the riders, all the advertising, such 'white guy' kit..
Also: yep, black resin tint is a cardinal sin..
Yea Barney cause you so fly lol imagine someone designing something without checking with you first? Wow the cheek of them hey.
Funny that, I just got a memo thru from Kai, he wants me to design a sail with a huge profit margin to sell to zee Euros, apparently I'm the cheapest, just like the materials the sail will be made from.. It's going into production for 2013, start saving, white guys..
So Barn you sticking solid only sailing those brands that are, you know, for the people. Brands that struggle to make ends meet, like JP or Pryde?
Barn you crack me up. So if fanatic/north and JP/Pryde are evil I can only imagine what you think about starboard/severne lol. So tell me are your boards carved from virgin forest and are your sails stitched by hand? Mate the whole industry is set up for profit, no profit no sport. Pure fact of life. I reckon fanatic are smart, diversifying into other sports, bringing colour back making it all a bit of fun and maybe surviving and flourishing. So Barn are you saying fanatic/north shouldn't be running a successful business, allowing us to have access to good kit that keeps being developed and improved? Maybe it's just a holden/ford mindset you have where regardless of how good something is unless it has the right badge you just blow it off? Either way, it's a bit sad really isn't it?
Mark I agree if the board was black all over it would be a huge problem, maybe, it's only the bottom of it that is black, I would guess this means a little more care is needed if it was an issue. It would be interesting to track failure rates and warranty claims over a season or two, I would suggest though that the changes to these statistics would be minimal or non existent compared to other non black resin boards, or any board that has a strip of black carbon exposed to direct sunlight. Actually how does the end of a carbon boom do with exposure to the sun, wouldn't it have a bigger failure rate to a non carbon (not black)? I'm just wondering is all.
grec, The point is that heat cycling speeds up delam and all boards delam eventually. Warranty claim analysis will not help as we are talking the difference between a 5yr or 10yrs lifespan (for example).
You said only the bottom is black but that is the bit exposed to the sun the most! yes you can try and keep the board deck side up on the beach but I find the tendon stiffness and a puff of wind always flips mine over
Carbon booms are a different kettle of fish as it is laminated carbon and resin, nothing else, and is not a complex sandwich with 5+ layers like a board has. Those layers in a board want to spring apart (thats why the vac bag is needed to suck down the divinycell) whereas the layers of carbon in a boom do not want to separate. Thus, heat cycling of clack carbon pipe is waaay less of a problem than in a board.
Of course there can be UV damage to the resin in a boom but I imagine they are smart enough to use a UV tolerant resin - actually maybe not as UV can only damage the first layer anyway as it can't penetrate thru the carbon
Yea barn underground lol. Wow it must be good to be you hey? So these underground manufacturers are giving back to the sport how? We went through this with the whole back yard surfboard builder thing, that eventually gave way to real companies that were devoted to building the sport, that lead to more money and more people in the sport. On the other point absolutely we should be giving thumbs up to any company that brings some colour back to the sport, kinda needs it really, all a bit drab. Up till this season it's been boring boards with boring sails leading to smaller markets with less money to go around. I for one want a vibrant sustainable sport that continues to develop new stuff.
Okay my input is not about the sail design colour etc, but the board bottom colour. For my own good reasons I have nearly always not used board bags but do put the boards on van and car roofs with “dog bones” and of course they site bum up on the beach. All boards should be white or a very sun reflective colour on the base, almost all except white heat the board radically to varying degrees and cannot be good. The paint should be high quality because they turn powdery in time how do I know because of experience and having boards for up to 10 years at a time, I cannot buy a new one every fashion change! However, I have not so far suffered a delamination problem except from long term use in the foot strap area (with white or yellow bottomed boards used from Turkey to Oz). The idea of some manufacturers to save weight by not painting the base is too far-fetched for the average user. As far as I am concerned manufacturers please leave the board bases white and use graphics on the top side, its also easier to finish off a repair!
Yea pretty sure not under any rocks Barney just rattle off the colorful sails and boards from let's say 05 to 10 will be a short list I reckon. Wait I'll start it............ Nah got nothing. Strangely this season we have north and Pryde so far, will there be others or will we return to see through sails and white boards. Please god let's not
Aus innovation is one thing, paying your way I another. I'm not bagging out back yard operations and have known a few that have gone from garage to real business over time. Yep innovation will come out of the back yards occasionally, but exactly when was the last time major change took place in surfing, or windsurfing? Pretty sure it was simon Anderson and the thruster! That was a while ago though. Other than that we have seen rocker lines fiddled with, widths changed etc etc. Not really innovative though.
The 'masses' won't really be able to tell if a board has had 1/8 th of an inch added to it or that the wide point has been moved back 1/4 of an inch. Same as most normal sailors won't be able to tell if they tweak a rail design minutely.
Innovation in material, construction technique etc making things last longer etc, that is another story and none of it has come out of a backyard.
If I'm wrong then by all means give me some direction so that I can be educated
Easy then Barn rattle them off, happy for you to goggle or whatever but I reckon it may take some time. Oh wait there is one the superfreak from Maui sails. Other than that nada
Ben true enough and I will stand corrected on sails but boardwise really the last back yard innovation was..........?
Btw I'm not critising at all, but to build a business is a significantly different thing to building a board in your backyard isn't it? I just think this whole lone wolf pure surfer thing is a thing of the past. The whole soul surfer thing has been a carefully crafted marketing tool used to great effect. Once again I don't have a problem with that but let's at least be honest about it.
I just have a problem when any company does something that brings some colour back, which has been sadly lacking since many years ago and it cops a pasting. My point of view I guess.
