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windsurfing photography tips from a beginner

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Created by Gestalt > 9 months ago, 25 Jun 2008
Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
27 Jun 2008 12:03AM
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stehsegler said...





also not entirely correct, as you become better you will notice that you can actually hand hold at much slower shutter speeds... I regularly take indoor shots at speeds as low as 1/15th with acceptable results. it all really depends on what creative effect you are after...


here is my attempt at slow shutter speed effects which i mentioned today. iso at 1600 no flash and WB set to incandescent. not perfect as the shutter speed and iso should have been reduced a little. i have tried this with windsurfing and not had any success. any tips for motion blurring?



i'm keen to also try some other effects.

like flash fill effects. haircut showed me this where i jumped in the air and he used the flash to fill me with a super fast shutter speed so the background was dark. cool effect and lots of fun. the fanatic photos are excellent at showing this for windsurfing.



i've also tried into the sun contrast shots to. not got any good outcomes there either to date. have tried spot metering on sky or water as well as average but no luck. was thinking of trying sunset white balance and bracketing to see if that helps.
and recommended settings? jono knight's photo below does it well.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
26 Jun 2008 10:39PM
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This is one moment I wish I'd had a bigger lens...

Sunset at wello:



The sails were luminescent. Amazing to see.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
27 Jun 2008 10:36AM
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this is a bit biased but is an interesting take on things. creativepro.com/framed-and-exposed-the-other-side-of-photoshop/


Interesting article - thanks Gestalt. I see this is going to take me some time to get my head space thinking in different ways, and learning new techniques. One thing that he did mention that is very true - once you have the equipment, digital photography is relatively cheap when compared to film. I would expect that the time involvement would be about the same until you become proficient with the technology also.

RE: Black and white digital bodies - unsure. I think my canon has a B&W setting - but I have not had a real chance to check this camera out yet.

Regarding motion blur - not really sure what the effect was you were going for, if you wanted the people moving and the stautes completely still, you could try a tripod with low iso manual shutter and remote release - that might give you the appearance of a wave of motion moving in and around the stationary objects. But you would have to be careful that the overhead lights did not burn into the image.

Flash effects can be really interesting - you should invest in a dedicated speedlite if you really want to exploit flash photography from a hobbyist point of view. If you want more than you need bigger and better stuff again. My speedlites of past allow for strobing flash, changing timing of flash at the end of the frame as the shutter closes and so on. But I'm not sure about pushing a shutter speed to super fast. My flim body would not let you push the shutter past 1/200th with an on body unit. I was never really into flash photograpy apart from necessity so I have never experimented much with these effects.

Silhoutte shots - i would suggest you switch to manual. Base your settings on the metering of what you want the detail in foreground / background and then shoot your subject. Definately bracket a couple of stops each way. I don't believe that you will achieve the results with a aperature or shutter priority - because the camera may continue to hunt for exposure correction based on its light metering.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
27 Jun 2008 3:14PM
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DAM71 said...
RE: Black and white digital bodies - unsure. I think my canon has a B&W setting - but I have not had a real chance to check this camera out yet.


At work so not much time but I recall the best way to convert to B&W was via the LAB colour space. Google Search: www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=black+white+convert+LAB&gws_rd=ssl


Regarding motion blur - not really sure what the effect was you were going for, if you wanted the people moving and the stautes completely still, you could try a tripod with low iso manual shutter and remote release - that might give you the appearance of a wave of motion moving in and around the stationary objects. But you would have to be careful that the overhead lights did not burn into the image.


I'm guessing Gestalt is looking for motion blur. You want a slow shutter speed < 1/100th and then you just track the windsurfer so they stay in focus and sharp, the background water gets all blurred because it has moved, relatively. The Ezzy freeride ads use this a bit. You might get a real killer shot in the surf if you can track effectively. Digital so just keep trying, you gotta love that!

Here's where you might actually need that polariser lens to slow things down/darken (you can buy filters just for this). You might find on a sunny day you just can't get anywhere near a slow enough shutter speed, even at F22 and ISO 50.



stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
28 Jun 2008 1:31AM
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DAM71 said...
My flim body would not let you push the shutter past 1/200th with an on body unit.


There is a high speed flash sync function on both the Canon Flash and Camera. You will need to set it manually but it will dramatically reduce the battery live and power of the Flash.

Also, if you have the EX580 there is a good change it will overheat after a couple of shots and shut down for a few minutes. Problem doesn't exist with the EX580 II.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
28 Jun 2008 10:42PM
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I only went to a 430 EX. Originally had a 540 EZ back in the day with my first slr Canon A2 (5 without eye control). Never got into flash stuff that much so when i needed to upgrade for the digital just went for the smaller unit. That high speed function sounds interesting - sounds like you would be better off with separate battery packs.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
30 Jun 2008 12:24PM
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DAM71 said...

...sounds like you would be better off with separate battery packs.


the external battery pack (cp-e1) increases the recycle times but doesn't increase overall flash power. I got an article kicking about on high speed flash photography using Nikon and Canon speed lights... only just got back from an overseas trip... will post it for you as soon as I get around to digging it out.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
30 Jun 2008 6:26PM
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not using HSS - i can manage a full frame @ 1/300 from the 40d by covering up the small pins on the 580II, and about 85% of the frame is usable at 1/320. Apparently nikon owners are managing 1/500 taping up the pins, from the standard 1/350

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
30 Jun 2008 9:53PM
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would you guys happen to know of any australian second hand slr camera websites or stores?

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
30 Jun 2008 10:20PM
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Haircut said...

not using HSS - i can manage a full frame @ 1/300 from the 40d by covering up the small pins on the 580II, and about 85% of the frame is usable at 1/320. Apparently nikon owners are managing 1/500 taping up the pins, from the standard 1/350


My old (stolen) Nikon D70 managed 1/500.
My new D80 only manages 1/200.

Most everything else is an improvement. Go figure.
www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/

(I'd ask how you tape up the pins but I know I'll never do it.)

Aiolus
NSW, 102 posts
1 Jul 2008 12:06AM
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For those who have Canon cameras, there is a great firmware "add-on" that turns a $200 camera into a >$1000 camera .. like saving into RAW mode, increasing shutter speeds to 1/32,000 or as slow as 65 seconds, increase/decrease ISO and Aperture beyond "standard", running scripts that use the lcd sensor as a motion detector (great for lightning photos) etc.

Its called the Canon Hackers Developers Kit (CHDK), see this website
chdk.fandom.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief

Here is a brief blurb about it:

What extra capabilities does CHDK provide?

The current set of extra capabilities fall into six categories:

a. Enhanced ways of recording images - you can capture still pictures in RAW format (as well as JPEG), and for video images you can have increased recording time and length (1 hour or 2 GB), and a greatly increased range of compression options.
b. Additional data displays on the LCD screen - histogram, battery life indicator, depth of field, and many more.
c. Additional photographic settings that are not available on the camera by itself - longer exposure times (up to 65 seconds), faster shutter speeds (1/25,000 sec, and faster in some cases), automatic bracketing of exposure, etc.
d. The ability for the camera to run programs ('scripts', written in a micro-version of the BASIC language) stored on the memory card - these programs allow you to set the camera to perform a sequence of operations under the control of the program. For example, a camera can be programmed to take multiple pictures for focus bracketing, or take a picture when it detects that something in the field of view moves or changes brightness.
e. The ability to take a picture, or start a program on the memory card, by sending a signal into the USB port - you can use the USB cable to take a picture remotely.
f. The ability to do a number of other more useful (and fun) things, such as act as a mini file browser for the memory card, let you play games on the LCD screen, etc.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
1 Jul 2008 11:47AM
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(I'd ask how you tape up the pins but I know I'll never do it.)




i just cut margarine lid the size of the hot shoe, then cut a slit out wide enough for the centre pin to make contact, then slide the flash on

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
1 Jul 2008 1:18PM
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for the newbies amongst us.....

1/300 hss???//?????



p.s. love that shot nebs. everyone that sails wello will know the beauty.

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
2 Jul 2008 8:34AM
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Gestalt said...
1/300 hss???//?????


HSS = high speed flash sync

meaning you camera will sync with a shoe mounted flash up to the listed shutter speed

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
3 Jul 2008 1:39AM
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might finally see the long awated 5d update now that nikons d700 is out and starts taking a slice of canons cheapo full frame market



photographybay.com/2008/06/18/nikon-d700/

stehsegler
WA, 3469 posts
4 Jul 2008 2:03PM
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Haircut said...

might finally see the long awated 5d update now that nikons d700 is out and starts taking a slice of canons cheapo full frame market


don't hold your breath. Canon knows that a lot of photographers are locked into the Canon EOS lens system based on the number of lenses they own.

While some people have reported that there actually will be a 5D Mark II (or 7D) announced sometime in August, I wouldn't hold my breath though. However, if the rumors are true the new camera might smoke the D700/ D3 on all fronts. Supposed specs: 21.8 Mpixel, 25k ISO and possibly including HD video recording. The HD video recording is probably more wishful thinking but the other specs could be a possibility.


Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
4 Jul 2008 6:51PM
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yeah i've seen all the guesses at what it will include and look like for the last year and a half. might be a lot of either elated or very disappointed folk when it comes out



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