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windsurfing specific wetsuit

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Created by R1DER > 9 months ago, 9 May 2012
marco gribi
WA, 196 posts
11 May 2012 10:18AM
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Hi AUS4,

Did you happen to visit our website? The Flux is not the only suit we design, as with most brands we make suits for specific conditions / temperatures.

Not many sailors in Australia would need the warmth of a single lined suit, so our Lava series is mostly aimed at the European market. Single lined suits require far more care in handling and not everybody likes the restriction in harness movement around the body.

So the Flux is far more fit for purpose in the Australian market. A 3/2 smoothie may have similar warmth than a 5/3 double lined, but the 5/3 DL will be more durable, as warm, with less restriction in movement. I know which I would prefer

Cheers
Marco

Lava Series - Single lined (smooth skin)



Diablo Series - More price conscious & durable


NR
WA, 517 posts
11 May 2012 11:02AM
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Mike

I use a 3x2 Simmer generator. So nice and flexi with the windsurf cut. Its a top suit with all the trimmings. Sealed, the furry fleecy stuff on the chest inside, the quality zip, the neck lining, super stretchy. Best suit I have ever had. I use mine for surfing as well and its fine for that.

Back in the day, I had a single skin 5,3 N.P. Would be far far too hot over here. I wouldn't go single skin all over again, unless you absolutely needed it for somewhere freezing.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
11 May 2012 3:35PM
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yep agree with NR and others. Stay away from single skin unless you will be sailing in sub 10deg temps. I had a 5/3 NP single skin that probably only got worn 5 or 6 times and I lived somewhere cold.

AUS4
NSW, 1260 posts
11 May 2012 4:54PM
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I have had shorty, spring suits and steamers that have lasted over 10 years, but of course if you buy a cheap suit you will get problems. I have never heard of any wetsuit smooth or double lined having the surface peel off. I have sold and designed wetsuits for 20 years, I am just trying to help someone who wants to stay warm and have over sized arms.

husa said...

AUS4 said

you will get the same warmth from a 3/2 smoothie as you would from a 5/3 double lined.

That may be true, but how long is a smoothie going to last? From my experience, that stuff they use to keep the wind out, peels off, tears, and lasts maybe one season.


kato
VIC, 3409 posts
11 May 2012 5:20PM
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Ion 4/3 for me, with no arm issues

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
11 May 2012 5:22PM
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custom made wettys are the same $$ and way warmer, and you can design it exactly how you like, a mate gets one every year from seatec.com.au in west sydney and rates it very high.. wing also do it but they are ****.. just my 2 cents

WindmanV
VIC, 744 posts
11 May 2012 7:08PM
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Husa said “That may be true, but how long is a smoothie going to last? From my experience, that stuff they use to keep the wind out, peels off, tears, and lasts maybe one season.”

Au contraire and for the record, my first NP 5000 was replaced only after 10 years of winter service here in Vic. It had not peeled (never heard of that before) but had deteriorated in the shoulder area, due to the stress in that area plus UV degradation.

It has to be recognised that the single-lined material IS more susceptible to cuts and abrasions, but my experience shows what is possible with care (and given their price, who wouldn't look after them?). Being more than happy with it, I replaced it with another NP 5000 model for mid-winter, then added an NP 3000 model for the autumn/spring cool water plus 25+ knot winds that we get here (and are due tomorrow).

Marco, I found you information very helpful and I was not aware that FO suits had many of the same design features of NP. Whilst I'm right for wetties at the moment, I'll keep your info in mind for the future. Many thanks for replying.

Jezstrt
TAS, 1471 posts
11 May 2012 10:08PM
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I wore a 4/3 flux all winter down here in TAS last year and have just started wearing it again as the temps a lowering, really warm/comfortable and didn't feel the cold at all. Heaps of the guys down here wear the 4/3 flux, most popular windsurfing suit down here!

R1DER
WA, 1463 posts
11 May 2012 8:18PM
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Wow! Heaps of replies. Thanks, looks like I opened up a can of worms. I thought I'd only get a couple of replies and suggestions.
I have found the various web sites use a lot of high tech jargon, I need them to dumb it down for me

evets
WA, 685 posts
12 May 2012 8:10AM
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R1der I have the same problem with fore arm cramps with wetsuits despite buying large wetsuits and having thin forearms!
I asked a wetsuit manufacturer about making mods and they suggested stretching the arms. This has worked well for me. Might sound daft as neoprene is elastic but what I do is stick a piece of plastic drainpipe wrapped with old towel to adjust the size into my wetsuit arms. this stretches the neoprene long enough for a 6 or 8 hour sail. It tends to return to it's original size after this so I just remember to refit it.
that way I wear an off the shelf $200 wetsuit.
p.s. Remember to take the drainpipe out before putting wetsuit on

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
12 May 2012 8:50AM
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I always get a new wetsuit every season tho....

ac17
NSW, 51 posts
24 May 2012 12:31AM
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How warm are Tri Suits?

- I can't find much info about them, but I ask because they are 2/3/4mm, and are completely covered in what looks like wind-proofing material.

eg this Speedo for under $100: www.chainreactioncycles.com/speedo-tri-event-full-sleeve-wetsuit-2013/rp-prod88129

Other brands of tri suits are Orca.

Anyone worn any of these who can comment on their warmth?

In the meantime, I am also looking at these (Hyperflex Amp-3 wind):
hyperflexusa.com/product/amp-3-wind-series-front-zip-wetsuit/

h20
VIC, 456 posts
24 May 2012 10:04AM
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do not sail in a tri suit. The skin is fragile to finger nails and you need to wear gloves to put them on. They will not survive one session sailing. Stick with surfing or windsurfing wetties.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
25 May 2012 7:47PM
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she's a kiter but I just had to post the pic.... Jenna your legacy lives...

Te Hau
481 posts
25 May 2012 6:08PM
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NP make real warm and real flexible suits.
I'm sitting here right now repairing the split seams on mine at less than a year old.
CAN'T RECOMMEND THEM.....
This is the second one I've had.The first did 2 seasons and even though it fell apart I was silly enough to buy another.They really are that warm and comfortable.
But that's enough, never again.
Guarantee, you ask...yea right!
My nephew, who works for them, asks why I no longer sail their stuff .
This reminds me.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
25 May 2012 8:46PM
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The other worthwhile feature for a WS wetsuit is a Velcro seal on the ankle. I hate it when you hit some chop or stack and get that shot of cold water up your leg. what's more the water stays there in a big bulge around your ankle until u can stop to let it out!

sideskirt
328 posts
25 May 2012 6:48PM
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For colder weather I bought Spartan 5/4, very soft neoprene, easy to dress and undress, really warm, nice touch ad the neck and by the hands. It has wider sleeve at the forearms.

www.spartanwetsuits.com/

firiebob
WA, 3148 posts
25 May 2012 8:46PM
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seanhogan said...

she's a kiter but I just had to post the pic


And I thought there'd be nothing of interest in this thread for me, thanks

TerryA
WA, 98 posts
25 May 2012 9:25PM
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Try Seventh Wave wetsuits in Christchurch.New Zealand. They do custom fit. I have been using them for 15 years . I replace them every 4-5 years .Each new one is better as the materials improve. Price should be Ok with the exchange rate

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
25 May 2012 9:33PM
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Te Hau said...

NP make real warm and real flexible suits.
I'm sitting here right now repairing the split seams on mine at less than a year old.
CAN'T RECOMMEND THEM.....
This is the second one I've had.The first did 2 seasons and even though it fell apart I was silly enough to buy another.They really are that warm and comfortable.
But that's enough, never again.
Guarantee, you ask...yea right!
My nephew, who works for them, asks why I no longer sail their stuff .
This reminds me.


your buying a size too small then

Te Hau
481 posts
26 May 2012 4:53AM
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jsnfok said...

Te Hau said...

NP make real warm and real flexible suits.
I'm sitting here right now repairing the split seams on mine at less than a year old.
CAN'T RECOMMEND THEM.....
This is the second one I've had.The first did 2 seasons and even though it fell apart I was silly enough to buy another.They really are that warm and comfortable.
But that's enough, never again.
Guarantee, you ask...yea right!
My nephew, who works for them, asks why I no longer sail their stuff .
This reminds me.


your buying a size too small then

Ha ha no, it's the right size and has all the dazzle dazzle features like Marcos adverts but the reality is....they are a one season suit which is Mr Prydes policy with much of his product line.
It (5k series) has a beautiful lining set up which is let down by 10mm wide seal tape. Mine has pulled away here and let the seam rip. Wider seam tape would probably stop this happening, even though the tape shouldn't be a load bearer.
Mine now has wider seam tape (courtesy of Seventh Wave Wet Suits ChCh NZ) after last nights mod session but that should have been NP's job.......not impressed.


seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
26 May 2012 6:54AM
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And I thought there'd be nothing of interest in this thread for me, thanks




Same for me, was actually wondering what was the purpose of a wet suit.... staying dry ?
Must be bloody hot inside, couldn't stand it !!!

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
27 May 2012 10:46AM
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AUS4 said...

Neil Pryde


terrible build quality. Don't do it.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
27 May 2012 8:55AM
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If you want a wetsuit that will last 5-10 years,buy one a size too large.

It's more comfortable,has heaps more flexilibility and due to less stretching of material will last much longer.

I bought a 5mm drysuit once from cash-converters,wore it for a few minutes in a 15 degree C day and i nearly died of heat exposure.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
27 May 2012 2:45PM
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ginger pom said...

AUS4 said...

Neil Pryde


terrible build quality. Don't do it.


I have a NP spring suit, it's on it's 5th year now ans still looking great, however a bit of care goes a long way.

A question for the rubber experts. I have a rip curl steamer, a super stretchy one called elastic...something. I like it because is so flexible and reasonably warm for the thickness. however the shoulder is starting to come apart. The inner material has separated from the outer which is starting to fray. Is this fixable and any suggestions on how to patch it up?

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
27 May 2012 4:10PM
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kato said...

Ion 4/3 for me, with no arm issues


Another vote for Ion here. I used to have an O'neill Psycho and while it was an awesome wetty I suffered pretty bad arm pump with it...to the extent that I cut the arms off it at the elbows, wore it for another two years though no issues; I think it is clear though at the new breed of super stretchy wettys won't last as long as the old school stuff as all that stretching etc to get them on/off takes its toll, I think if you get two season out of one you are doing well (if you sail a lot).

Back to Ion, I bought an Ion Strike 4/3 with short arms (because I hate arm pump). It's awesome, windsurfing specific, smooth skin in all the important areas, has 'crash padz' (their words) on shins etc which makes it good for freestyle and other radical pursuits. Has a warm lining (can't remember their buzz words) etc...very warm. When it's so cold that I can't deal with the short arms (rare) I just throw my NPS, smooth skin, long arm wetty top over the top and problem sorted, best of both worlds

vando
QLD, 3416 posts
6 Jun 2012 7:24PM
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+1 for the new F/O flux 3/2 I got just before going to France.
Plenty warm enough and good wind resistance tested in 40 knots.
nice stretchy mat in the arms so issues with arm cramps
certainly a much better wetsuit than what I had before very happy.

AUS4
NSW, 1260 posts
7 Jun 2012 3:23AM
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ginger pom said...

AUS4 said...

Neil Pryde


terrible build quality. Don't do it.


IDIOT ! .......NP factory makes 70% of the worlds wetsuits for other companies.

redsurfbus
304 posts
7 Jun 2012 7:11AM
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Dont know if you can get the simmer generator suits out there, they are brilliant. Surf suits are tight on my calves, back, shoulders and arms. The simmer is great, almost baggy on upper arms but doesnt leak. Sailed this winter in the 5/4 in very cold temps without getting cold once. Takes a few dropped gybes for the water to get through. I have the 3/2 on order at the moment, they also do a short arm option.

redsurfbus
304 posts
7 Jun 2012 7:12AM
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AUS4 said...

ginger pom said...

AUS4 said...

Neil Pryde


terrible build quality. Don't do it.


IDIOT ! .......NP factory makes 70% of the worlds wetsuits for other companies.


Still terrible build quality! Where on earth did you get the 70% from?



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