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HOW WIDE IS THE SKINNYEST SPEED BOARD THAT WORKED

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Created by stroppo > 9 months ago, 18 Jun 2012
Revhead
ACT, 372 posts
21 Jun 2012 5:09PM
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back in the late 80s I got hold of an experimental home made board, and soon after gave it away. It was about 15cm wide on a good day, maybe 180cm long, and 10cm thick. Bit like a thick water ski, never got it going (on the small lake in 15 knots and a 5.0 flat semi battened sail).

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
21 Jun 2012 6:56PM
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slowboat said...

sick_em_rex said...

looks like you have to put the fin in before screwing in the back footstrap. What a clever design feature.....not!
Seriously? The alternatives are custom finbox, or custom footstraps (eg with a hole in). . Neither are acceptable solutions for a production board.



slowboat can you tell me your reasoning why custom straps " Neither are acceptable solutions for a production board" the offset strap on Antoine's board may be acceptable but maybe he hasnt given it any thought, here's a bunch of allsorts, there is some good eva foam on the market but a bit $$$excy for a backyarder, the bottom pic shows how well these straps sit up without any support.
any idea's are appreciated, but it will have to be better than the strap configuration than the mistral






ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
22 Jun 2012 7:46AM
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Roo said...

The first board to break the 40 knot barrier over 500 meters was a 11" wide Mudshark shaped by Jimmy Lewis, back in November 1988. Erik Beale was the rider and always had the narrowest boards but 11" was his smallest.





I saw this board in the flesh at the london boat show.

It was truly the smallest board I have ever seen. For the time it was short too at 2.20 ish I think.

Volume must have been around 40-50 litres.

slowboat
WA, 553 posts
23 Jun 2012 11:44AM
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keef said...

slowboat can you tell me your reasoning why custom straps " Neither are acceptable solutions for a production board"


We need to supply production boards with production straps that work. We supply premium DaKine straps.

The inserts will happily cater for custom footstraps if you feel the need.

keef said...
any idea's are appreciated, but it will have to be better than the strap configuration than the mistral




keef
NSW, 2016 posts
23 Jun 2012 4:35PM
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slowboat said...

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keef said...

We need to supply production boards with production straps that work. We supply premium DaKine straps.


im with you, these speed boards need to be fitted with a production strap that works , surely dakine or other production strap manufacturers can come up with a strap with an eyelet to access the front fin screw , the back strap i made for decrepit is wider at the back than the front with an eyelet for the screwdriver or socket, the wider back screw either side of the box and you only need one screw for the front
my straps aren't good enough for the open market , but the idea definitely is


slowboat
WA, 553 posts
23 Jun 2012 3:04PM
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keef said...
im with you, these speed boards need to be fitted with a production strap that works


and they are supplied with a strap that works great. I know because I used it.

Toyed with the hole in the strap idea a few years ago when I was developing the SP40, but its not so simple on an adjustable strap. And when I actually used the normal strap and found that it was no big deal to change the extra screw, it was an obvious conclusion not to complicate things for no advantage.

I was using light weight webbing straps with foam sewn in 20 years ago, but when the foam collapses they are dangerous. I broke my foot getting stuck in one of those damn things.

Also, lending boards between runs is common practice so having a velcro adjustable strap is really important. I have big feet. Other guys dont. So the straps need to be easily adjustable without having to piss around with screws.

decrepit
WA, 12137 posts
23 Jun 2012 6:43PM
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slowboat said...
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Also, lending boards between runs is common practice so having a velcro adjustable strap is really important. I have big feet. Other guys dont. So the straps need to be easily adjustable without having to piss around with screws.


This is a point, a few people have expressed interest in trying my board, but my custom keef straps are set up for my feet with boots on, without boots they'll probably be too loose for most feet.
Thanks for the warning slowy, if the foam deteriorates, I'll make sure I replace it quick smart.

Jancassmit
11 posts
25 Jul 2012 5:24AM
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The skinnyest speedboard ever used in official speedtrails is the one that i own. It was shaped by Jimmy Lewis and was made for Erik Beale and it is 10 inch wide (25cm). I bought this board recently from him. As I am using a Ipad at this moment I can not upload a picture. I will upload some pictures later today.

Edit. I switched to a PC so here are the photos






aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:35AM
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Revhead said...

back in the late 80s I got hold of an experimental home made board, and soon after gave it away. It was about 15cm wide on a good day, maybe 180cm long, and 10cm thick. Bit like a thick water ski, never got it going (on the small lake in 15 knots and a 5.0 flat semi battened sail).


If you got it in Canberra and it's all white (well yellowed epoxy) it could have been mine.

I had at one stage a 14in and 12in home made boards. I think the 14 was always faster as it was far easier to sail, the 12 was just too narrow and twitchy, which made it slower over all.

mathew
QLD, 2045 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:59AM
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Jancassmit said...

The skinnyest speedboard ever used in official speedtrails is the one that i own.


Interesting to see the fin is so far back... many of the old speed board had fins and straps quite far forward.

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
25 Jul 2012 2:26PM
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Jan when was the last time you used it?

Like a lot of people I am about 20kg heavier now than I was 20 years ago. What was possible then just ain't going to happen now :-))

stroppo
WA, 728 posts
25 Jul 2012 5:57PM
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That is the skinnyest board i have ever seen it would be nice if one of those dutch gurus would give it a blast with some video shots 4 us all 2 see it go? dose it have a nickname like banana or monkey meal !

lelos12345
NSW, 453 posts
25 Jul 2012 8:10PM
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nioCE !! CAN I HAVE A GO ? ;-)

Jancassmit
11 posts
25 Jul 2012 6:54PM
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I never used it, and I will never use it! I bought it as 'a work of art' and it will be displayed in my livingroom. I also own a 16 inch Jimmy Lewis speedboard that he made for Pascal Maka in 1986 and that was used by Pascal in Fuerteventura that year (were he broke the world record by beating crossbow) and I have a 1992 , 13 inch Jimmy Lewis speedboard that was made for Roddy Lewis.

B.t.w. Erik Beale concluded that with the 10 inch boards the max was reached. You need extremely constand conditions for a 10 inch needle. For a 500 meter run 11 inch and 12 inch boards were the better choice for him, and he was light! For a 2 second top speed the 10 inch might be faster, but we will never know....

lelos12345
NSW, 453 posts
25 Jul 2012 10:59PM
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great collection ! please post the pascal board was one of my faves as a kid ;-)
thanks for sharing

Jancassmit
11 posts
26 Jul 2012 4:07AM
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I will post some more photos next week, when I am back at home.

Jancassmit
11 posts
26 Jul 2012 4:13AM
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B.t.w.. The yellow board dous have a name. It's written underneath the laminate. The name is: Canal Plus MK.II

sailquik
VIC, 6094 posts
28 Jul 2012 7:52PM
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Jancassmit said...

The skinnyest speedboard ever used in official speedtrails is the one that i own. It was shaped by Jimmy Lewis and was made for Erik Beale and it is 10 inch wide (25cm). I bought this board recently from him. As I am using a Ipad at this moment I can not upload a picture. I will upload some pictures later today.

Edit. I switched to a PC so here are the photos









Did Erik ever actually sail this board in competition? Do you know what event and dates or have/know any results?

Jancassmit
11 posts
3 Aug 2012 7:06AM
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Have been away for some day's. Thats why I reply now.

When I bought this board, one month ago, I had a long talk with Erik Beale on the telephone. He told me that he used this board on the canal. I have no reason to doubt him.

Also the german surfmagazin wrote about the 1989 Masters speedtrails in Saint maries de la Mer sailed in march, were Erik did beat Pascal Maka in a direct face-of with a maximum speed of 74,31 km/h. in this magazine the board is featured, including pics.

Erik told me that he used more than one board during this competition. Sailing the 25 he found out that the board had a verry good topspeed, but the avarage speed was not that good. The extremely gusty wind in Saint marries de la Mer made it impossible to reach record speeds over 500 meter on the 25. When entering a lull the board slowed down to much. The 27cm and the 30cm boards had similar topspeeds as the 25, but they were better in gliding thru the lulls. The 30cm board proved to be the fastest board in these conditions.

I can not show you the speed done by this board because in those day's only the top speed of a competitor at the end of the speedweek counted, and was made public. In this case that was done on the 30cm board. In the mid 90's the rules changed. From then on the 2 best speed in every heat did count.

I have competed on the canal in 1990 and in 1991 myself and I know that in the rankings only the topspeed counted and they were publiched. My personal runs were handed to me on a small printout. Even if Erik has these printouts, I don't expect him to be able to tell you wich run he did on what board.

Andrew, I hope I have answered you questions to your likings.


sailquik
VIC, 6094 posts
3 Aug 2012 1:11PM
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Thank you Jan Cas. Great information and wonderful to hear more details of the performance and history of those boards.


TASSIEROCKS
TAS, 1651 posts
3 Aug 2012 3:21PM
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Speedsurfing reminds me of how we would get things done in the old days!!

Every idea and development looks so good on paper

tony wyn
VIC, 81 posts
23 Sep 2012 3:51PM
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Hi all
Late '80's I had an 8'3" x 12" . Always a bit of a bugger when u have size 15 feet - it was about 8" at the front strap... I think mid 30's was about the best out of it. But then again it was the 80's...

tony wyn
VIC, 81 posts
23 Sep 2012 3:53PM
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Hi all
Late '80's I had an 8'3" x 12" . Always a bit of a bugger when u have size 15 feet - it was about 8" at the front strap... I think mid 30's was about the best out of it. But then again it was the 80's...

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
4 Oct 2012 8:12PM
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Jancassmit said...
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You can't go to sea on a biro Jan. I think Erik is having a lend of you.



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