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Ultimate High wind rough water Speeeeed tips.

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Created by TASSIEROCKS > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2010
TASSIEROCKS
TAS, 1651 posts
25 Nov 2010 7:55PM
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I am so ready for some high wind now!!!

Come on Zeus send some High wind our way!!!


Cheers Russ


Glitch
QLD, 291 posts
25 Nov 2010 7:58PM
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The advice form Firiebob is on the money. When sailing in any conditions always keep as much tension on the harness lines so that as much of your body weight is supported by the sail and not the board. Use your legs as shock absorbers so that you sail as if you are skiing moguls. This helps the board to get planing smoother over the chop. As others have said, always look ahead to pick the best line. Now get as much TOW as you can get.

Haggar
QLD, 1664 posts
25 Nov 2010 8:56PM
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Thats great sailing Firie, next time your down this way, come for a sail at Queens beach, love to see what you can do here

Scope
65 posts
25 Nov 2010 7:10PM
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great thread.
Here's my tuppence worth for rolling chop(not open ocean)...rig bigger than everyone else, get a C3 slingshot and go deep, deep, deep. If your going fast enough and deep enough chop is your mate.
If your sail is comfortable going back up wind it's too small.
Finally getting dialed into my speed set up ie CA SP50, 7.0 Overdrive & C3 slingshot 23cm. Boom has gone up, longer harness lines and mast base just behind centre.

Also having a boom mounted Gopro has really shown how badly my X9 boom flexes at the clew, so i'm in the market for a race boom to stiffen things up!!
Should be called $peed $sailing really...

last speed session..

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
25 Nov 2010 7:13PM
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firiebob said...

vando said...

Hey Firie Burrum not too flat on a high tide heading over the other point.

Not wrong Vandoman, as nasty as anywhere, good fun chasing da man

Also why I was using my 34 Venom and not the 30 Venom with the same sail & board I used the year before at Burrum. C U next year mate

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
25 Nov 2010 7:16PM
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firiebob said...

firiebob said...

vando said...

Hey Firie Burrum not too flat on a high tide heading over the other point.

Not wrong Vandoman, as nasty as anywhere, good fun chasing da man

Also why I was using my 34 Venom and not the 30 Venom with the same sail & board I used the year before at Burrum. C U next year mate




Vando, you back on the water, or still stuck on the interchange bench?

vando
QLD, 3416 posts
25 Nov 2010 9:29PM
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mineral1 said...

firiebob said...

firiebob said...

vando said...

Hey Firie Burrum not too flat on a high tide heading over the other point.

Not wrong Vandoman, as nasty as anywhere, good fun chasing da man

Also why I was using my 34 Venom and not the 30 Venom with the same sail & board I used the year before at Burrum. C U next year mate




Vando, you back on the water, or still stuck on the interchange bench?


Off the bench and starting to do my warm ups and stretches not ready for the water just yet but getting there.
When are you down this way mineral.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
25 Nov 2010 10:02PM
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Great videos Firie and Scope - thanks.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Nov 2010 12:49AM
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Mux
QLD, 226 posts
26 Nov 2010 11:17AM
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great video scope showing the boom flex at speed. Great to read all the tips on going fast will be putting them on trial next time I go out looking for speed.

sailpilot
QLD, 783 posts
26 Nov 2010 1:30PM
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In the chop or the ocean I always go faster over all on freeride boards instead of the slalom boards, the slalom boards will give the better 2 sec but the damage rate (2 battens and 1 boom this week) using slalom gear doesn't seem worth it although firie seems to keep his Carbon art in shape pretty well on the rough stuff. I find its a lot more successful for higher averages on a boards made for rougher water and not so fatigueing on body and mind.

TASSIEROCKS
TAS, 1651 posts
26 Nov 2010 3:20PM
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I think there is something in the freeride comments posted by Sailpilot. I still love sailing an old yellow JP freeride 270 1998 version for that reasion, 55 wide heaps of V and Jumps so well, I did a 35knot peak on that board years ago in a huge blow.
(bit hard to fit into the car these days but I don't think I will ever sell it)

I know Dave Morehead or AUS02 has a old freeride starboard 90L with a US box and he has done over 36 or 37 knots in rough water which he makes look so easy.

So who owns a freeride (old or new) board for high wind speed that they can not bare to sell? If so what? this would be fantastic advice for new converts to speed to find a cheaper board that RIPS in the Buy and Sell.

Mine is a 1998 JP 270 freeride 90L 55w

Russ

Pointman
WA, 435 posts
26 Nov 2010 1:04PM
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I've got a 2007 Starboard 93 S-Type that I love.

Probably hasn't quite got the top end of the equivalent iSonic, but it's a joy in chop and really easy to gybe, even in the rough stuff.

I liked it so much I also bought a 111 Futura, which was the model that superceded the S-Types. Likewise the Futura is an awesome board and very comfortable in rougher water. I've done 33s on the Futura a few times, I reckon its good for a 35 in the right conditions.

I do a lot of ocean sailing, so for me freerace boards make a lot of sense.

AUS02
TAS, 1993 posts
26 Nov 2010 4:09PM
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Yep, HyperCarve 90L from 2004 - got a custom Venom 30 with US box for it and it's fast and fun to sail!!! However, not sure it is as quick as an iSonic of the same size (for example iSonic 86 from 2009). May feel more comfortable (less jarring), but I think it will reach it's top end quite a bit earlier!!

drum
WA, 30 posts
26 Nov 2010 2:31PM
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I'm not a superfast guy.
However I enjoy my naish hybrid 89(2004) in chop. The stock 28cm fin sanded down to 24cm losing the flex part that had me spinning out. And a North 5.3 wave sail with main batten replaced with a carbon race batten forcing knuckle forward shape(fangs upwind when wave sailing to). The sail still feels soft in the chop and nice for jumps with the 7 foot long board.
I'm 93kg so don't sail this set up that often and my isonic 86 goes faster
but for fun on the ocean when there's no swell that 89 hybrid is great.

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
26 Nov 2010 3:12PM
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Great video Scope, it's got a good speed feel to it, and I know you are flying cos I checked up

Scope
65 posts
26 Nov 2010 4:18PM
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hahah thanks Firie, amazing how those Gopro's
make it look much faster.
Enjoyed your vid when you posted it on YT. 30knots on the ocean is not easy anywhere

jp747
1553 posts
26 Nov 2010 5:05PM
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sausage said...

jp747 said...
...................... and a 2cm shorter fin to bleed off excess torque and limit tailwalking


JP, I have to disagree on going for a shorter fin in rough conditions. This is where you need some extra fin as the board is in and out of the water constantly with the fin the only thing stopping you from completely wiping out or powering through some wicked piece of chop. Smaller fins for flatter conditions - larger for rougher.

PS - Red, you sure that vid above wasn't shot in Yeppoon.


I will give way and take the advice Sausage there some point to what your talking about so when skipping chop fin still bites..maybe I was talking if overpowered in not so choppy conditions only swelly

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
28 Nov 2010 8:41AM
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Didn't read every post, but just as with smooth water, sailing broad is the ultimate criteria required for real speed. Also smooths out the bumps because less pressure on the fin and you can fly over the chop rather than get out-of-control-wobbles. Easily add 5 knots to beam reach speed if sailing broad. I've managed 34knots in choppy northerlies in PP Bay at Dendy and Spotty's hit 36 in the B to B race.

Oh, you need huge nuts too.

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
28 Nov 2010 8:58AM
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Ian K said...






One of my faivs too Ian. Notice how Robby always points the board the leeward before landing the jumps to help plant the fin back in. Fins are much better now but this is still a good technique. That first jump is still one of the craziest around. I mean, double/triple forwards are cool, but jumping 20 meters - that takes courage too.

TASSIEROCKS
TAS, 1651 posts
28 Nov 2010 3:49PM
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Got a chance to do some high wind rough water sailing today
Mortimer Bay, TAS, AU

5am start with Dave, Kaleb, Houston

heaps of fun on the new Fanatic 79, KA 6.6 2011

2 sec 32.13 (D)
5 x 10 30.84 (D)
1 Hour 20.69 [PB] (D)
Alpha Racing 19.19 (D)
Nautical Mile 28.33 [PB] (D)
Distance Traveled 92.39 [PB]



Thanks for all the advice everyone it helped me today.

Kind regards Russ

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
28 Nov 2010 6:45PM
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TASSIEROCKS said...


2 sec 32.13 (D)
5 x 10 30.84 (D)
1 Hour 20.69 [PB] (D)
Alpha Racing 19.19 (D)
Nautical Mile 28.33 [PB] (D)
Distance Traveled 92.39 [PB]



I don't think you need any help Russ

kato
VIC, 3403 posts
28 Nov 2010 10:03PM
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firiebob said...

TASSIEROCKS said...


2 sec 32.13 (D)
5 x 10 30.84 (D)
1 Hour 20.69 [PB] (D)
Alpha Racing 19.19 (D)
Nautical Mile 28.33 [PB] (D)
Distance Traveled 92.39 [PB]



I don't think you need any help Russ




Yep no more from us either [}:)]

...........well done

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
28 Nov 2010 9:34PM
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Russ,
On reflection I forgot to tell you that you should keep your fin cover on and always sail without your feet in the straps

AUS02
TAS, 1993 posts
28 Nov 2010 10:47PM
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And keep the Drake, it seems to work fine

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
29 Nov 2010 11:30AM
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firiebob said...

TASSIEROCKS said...


2 sec 32.13 (D)
5 x 10 30.84 (D)
1 Hour 20.69 [PB] (D)
Alpha Racing 19.19 (D)
Nautical Mile 28.33 [PB] (D)
Distance Traveled 92.39 [PB]



I don't think you need any help Russ




NOICE!

jasonc
WA, 41 posts
29 Nov 2010 12:32PM
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"you cant absorb all the chop sometimes, so i just make a great big whitey shaped hole in it" qoute Dave White



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