I have not researched this thoroughly, but I suspect that last Sunday - "Speed Sunday at PB City" Team SRM Captain Pete Dans may have broken the WA record for the following BIG categories;
- 500 metres (38.50 knots vs Slowboat with a 37.8 Melville Beach on 21-7-07)
- 5 x 10 ave. (39.69 vs Slowboat with 39.54 at Pt Walter 30-7-07)
- Nautical Mile (35.20 vs Slowboat with 34.3 at Hardies 8-12-07)
Unless someone can find some data to prove otherwise this warrants a HUGE congratulations to PD who has added some new vigour to WA speedsailing with a massive day out at Hardies Run, and three WA records in one session!!
This should also prove some serious motivation to Slowboat to regain his title as WA's fastest in home waters.
The race is now seriously on for the first 40 knot 500 in WA- bring it on!
PS; Yoyo, how about a WA Speed Table for the 500 and/or 5 x 10?
I like how you guys use the true format of speedsurfing 5+10sec , 500m n NM , thats what counts in this sport!!
Maybe we shall get something like that done in QLD too.
But your times down there are really good , who knows maybe one day soon i'll come and have a speed session with you guys.
Pierre, you and Vando should really get over here for the Lancelin Ocean Classic too - Saturday January 12.
Yeah I think you're right Chris. 
PD takes the lead for sure. Well done Capt Pete!!! 
I just checked my sessions from WA and sure enough- my best 500m was 38.4 back in '05, and I got a 38.3 earlier this year. Best 5x10 was 39.60 earlier this year too. All at Pt Walter. But I did do a 40.0 5x10 in winter one day, when I mixed the times from runs at Pt Walter and Lake Preston. But I reckon thats really 2 sessions... So PD has pipped me in the 500 and 5x10, and caned my NM time.
Bring on some more of that strong wind [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
PD takes the lead for sure. Well done Capt Pete!!! 
And then put it into production
Hey Ado , I only started the display speed WA table because I've got no stamina and I gybe like crap and it made me look good! Now you want me to hold it flat for 500m?
Seriously, it will be a bit more complicated and 5x10 may be easier and is becoming the standard but there is a lot to be said for 500m (1/2K). Non windsurfers get it.
Perhaps guys who are interested can PM me their best 500m and 5x10. Most sports have State Champs and record holders. The Champs are already covered and gps provides a great way to record speeds.
I'll see what I can come up with.
Yo
Thanks Yoyo. My 5 x 10 is 36.33 on 31/12/07 at Woodies, and 500 is 35.00 at Hardies 5/12/07.
Regarding your comments about WWA in the other thread, I think you are right - maybe there should be a "Speed sub-committee" to oversee the keeping of records for WA waters.
Speed is probably the biggest part of organised WA windsurfing now anyway, so it would be good to have this info on the WWA website, and also to have the record data verified.
By the way Slowy, sorry to have highlighted some of your records being broken, but I reckon 2 sessions in one day adding up to 5 x 40.00 is still 5 x 40.00.
So if we all agree, you can hang onto that one but you will have to up the ante if you want the 500 & the NM back!
Personally I reckon the 500 is more likely to go at Woodies than Hardies - it's windier.
They had a week long speed trial there in the 80's, around the time of the Americas Cup, sponsored by Swan Premium. I vaguely recall that Jean-Pierre Siret may have won it with a speed of 29.71 or thereabouts. Fred Haywood was there and I'm sure PD was too. Brad Hiles held the Australian record for a long time with a speed around 30 knots.
maaate, I still reckon its 2 sessions- since I had to drive to the other spot. I guess I'd have to say that about the canal too- every run is a session cos you have to drive back to he start!!!
As for the best 500 place in WA, it surely has to be hardies. The first time I sailed there my 500 time was less than 2 knots under my 2 sec. That was cruising with a 6.6m... Looking forward to sailing there on a 5.8m one day 
Problem with woodies is the wind is gone by the time you have accelerated through the first 200m. I've sailed there wound out on 5.8m and struggled to get the same 500s I get at the Peli Pt Ocean in less wind.
Pt Walter has some serious potential in a good squall at the right angle, which seems to have not eventuated the past 2 years. I remember getting some crazy fast runs there in a front a few years ago. With a shedload of wind (30-45kt wsw) Pt walter will be damn fast. Considering on that rig I went exactly the same speed at Sandy Pt a few weeks later on a day that we'd be pushing 45 on our current gear.
But meanwhile, I reckon hardies is the most realistic place for a 40kt(+) av and/or 500m. If we EVER see 30kts of wind there again
30kts of wind there again
Chris,
Definitely get yourself a 45º fin sorted out.
Hardies Nm Line needs it, but it is worth it from the speeds which were achieved.
A lesser rake may end up bogging down or worst.
Noice thread Ado!
Yes - around America's Cup time summer 86/87 we had Pascal Maka, Eric Beale, Haywood, Patti Wittcombe, and yes - Siret won. Bloody hell Ado great memory - you would have been about 15 [and Slowey would have been 9!!]!! Mal Wright was certainly there and I think Tony Wynhoven even made the trip over!! It was a 500m event. Haywood saw a shark and freaked!! This was a few months after Pascal had done his ground breaking 38.86 at Sotovento Feuteventura [Canaries].
In response to Yoyo - we never had any way of telling how fast were going at Woodies back in the late 80s when it was at its best! You could do a just decent 500m there back then but now days it would need to be 35+ kn to get the full run! I was sailing with Pascal for a few weeks before the event [he was over here with the French Kiss AC syndicate] and he reckoned we were doing 35s at Woodies on the big 25-30kn sea breeze days!
My view is that Hardies will probably give the best here in WA - if you hit the right window. Both Snides and I had our best in the first 45 odd minutes last Sunday. As the tide rose we slowed. I regret wasting time stuffing around rigging my 5.0 and stashing it on the beach. For the "good" 45 or so mins the run in was managable such that you could get a good slingshot onto the flat bit! Afterwards the run in was a bit hairy at 37+ and the flat bit wasn't too flat. Elmo was sailing all over the place so he may have some secret local slippery spots on the large and varied expanse that is 'Hardies'.
The Yoyo run may do it but I have burned alot of LPG over the past winter and have yet to have anything of substance there. I reckon Woodmans will probably still do a good 5x10 but it will have to stay SW and not go too S. It is a good option for the Perth crew who cannot make the hour plus run down to Hardies.
Love the La Nina!
Well done YoYo!!!!!!
Re 500m runs, I'm not sure whether it's quite 500m (think so) but Howard's Way near Hardies Run, on a W or WSW in winter is probably one of the best speed runs in WA, did my previous best speed run there in winter.
What about the speed event held in Safety Bay, probably mid 80's?
Anyone remember more about that?
Was before I started sailing but remember the event held out where the 'pond' area is now. The sands have changed since then !
The secret line is right through the middle of the lime stone reef and many a fin has been destroyed through there.........MWAHAHAHAHA
Hey Peter do you remember the speed events at Halls head in the late 80's with the speed gates hooked up to a commodore 64 by Bruce Andrews and his techie mate?
I remember when Anders Bringdal, Pascal Maka and Tom Luedecke all showed up with Jane Parker. Pascal had all his rigs rigged ready to go in the back of a truck. Anders' board was so light you could pick it up one handed!!!
Do you remember the speed gybing contest before fast laydown gybes had been invented. I think Scotty Mc won one of those events. I still have the photo of you two from the local paper, both going round the mark throught the gates. It was hydro Z booms and santosha's aplenty.
For some truely amazing speed proto ideas from woodies you have to see the video stuff the Sampsons have got on tape from the 80's.
that's a great pic PD. Look no houses on the hill and coogee!
there was a guy sailing safety bay last weekend with almost the same rig, and doing very well with it. Leaving some guys on new stuff looking a little worried.
Current Western Australian Waters 500 metres Record Holder, Peter Dans
WA Windsurfing Speed - All Time Top 10 for 500m
1 Peter Dans (25)......................38.50 knots.......30.12.2007.......Mandurah
2 Chris L (Slowboat)...................38.40 knots.......27.09.2005.......Pt Walter
3 AlbyVdB (Elmo).......................37.90 knots.......30.12.2007.......Mandurah
3 RobbieR (82)..........................37.57 knots........31.12.2005......Pelican Pt
4 SteveS (Snides8)...................36.30 knots........30.12.2007......Mandurah
5 TimS (tim90)..........................35.93 knots.......30.12.2007......Mandurah
6 DavidB (Yoyo)........................35.72 knots.......26.03.2007......Pt Walter
7 Claude (181)..........................35.10 knots.......30.12.2007......Mandurah
8 JosephP (Hardie).....................35.04 knots.......05.12.2007......Mandurah
9 Dan (KA-18)...........................35.02 knots.......12.09.2007......Pt Walter
10 ChrisA (Aus1111)...................34.99 knots.......05.12.2007......Mandurah
The challenge is out, 36 will see you in the top 5 all time 500m on WA waters.
Windsurfing WA are looking at maintaining these records on their website following suggestions from the speedsailing community (namely me!)
Anyway, my idea is that WWA should maintain records for the 500, NM & perhaps the one hour. The potential record holders would need to submit their tracks to the WWA speed committee (to be formed) for verification - in doppler. Might as well start out with the most accurate method available since PD, who holds the 500 & NM recorded them on Navi, and I belive Claude would be the one hour record holder. Did he use Navi?
We would also seek out the womens & junior (<18) records too of course - can anyone supply these?
Comments & suggestions? Lets thrash out the details on this forum.
I reckon that recognition of the GPS records on the WWA website will only encourage more speedsailing.
Yes I agree.
Re: measurement method, doppler vs trackpoint, I think claude uses Garmin so would be unfair to exclude his time/speed.
My opinion is to set the date as 2009, that everyone interested in speed must measure in doppler to be recognised, but that till then either both are submitted with one in brackets, or if just a Garmin user, that trackpoint be valid.
I kinda like the unofficial nature of things as they are now. Will WWA regard a non members speed as valid? As soon as thing become "official" then the red tape starts. Like "officially" F2 XS Missle has the record for a production board at 44.71. But Chris has done 47.6 on his production Carbon Art, almost 3 knots or 6.5% faster.
I prefer the low key approach.... but that is just my opinion and I'm just one voice.
I think the "WA Speed table" that Yoyo maintains is great and interesting and certainly read by many. This is not an attempt to supersede that.
I should clarify that what I am suggesting is, as the official windsurfing body in WA, it should be WWA's responsibility to maintain the "official" WA record, albeit measured by GPS. I'm not suggesting there be a list of 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, only the record itself, but in the categories of open, womens and junior <18.
Obviously this begs the question of whether we are talking about WA sailors sailing anywhere, or sailors from anywhere sailing in WA. The answer should be the latter - so it would be the record for speed in WA waters, set by anyone (not necessarily WWA members - though we all should be).
Holding this type of record could and should be beneficial to the sailors concerned when they are dealing with potential sponsors, or when information is provided to media organisations.
This forum, along with GPS Team Challenge, GPS-Speedsurfing and any others as they arise will continue to be the main keepers of stats for the vast majority of sailors.
All valid points. Then if someone does better the records they can send the track(s) to ??? Dan? Chris? for verification etc.
I agree it should be open to all comers on WA waters. This is where we live and sail. It's one thing for Finian to do 48 on the canal or Chris 47 at Sandy Point but it is what they can do here that is relevant to WA sailors and lets us know what we can shoot for.
I don't mind if someone takes over the tables. I just thought someone should try to collate all the speeds in WA. I kept it informal so as to encourage as many as I can to be listed , however there are still some fast sailors out there with gps units that keep their speeds to themselves. I might send my spies out on a good day to see if I can get some numbers.
You are doing a great job Yoyo. I just hope your list continues to get faster, and more importantly, longer!
What constitutes an official record? A WSSRC ratified 500m time or a non ratified GPS time? The 500m times from Woodies in the 1980's are official I believe. Just playing devil's advocate, if official records are to be kept what defines them.
Just out of interest
