i toying with the idea of adding some side fins to my slalom board and hopeing to use a smaller fin on speed runs, the problem is i havent got a clue on where to put them and at what angle to set them at,
keef,keef,keef
open the door in your shed and put the lid back on the thinners
careful,dont spill it on your board and dont get it anywhere near those plastic fins,they'll melt!
we'll talk later,it will make sence then
i'll be back on friday
i'm going to vote no on the tri fin.
after toying with single fin versus tri fin in my latest board i can feel the drag that the tri fin setup gives.
lucky you mentioned those jocks choco ive been looking for those for ages im hopeing to cut the main fin down to maybe 16 to 18 on a 5/8 sail i'm not sure how it would go, im not useing the board so i thought id put a cutout in and the side finns
KA360 it sounds like youve bin in my shed those plastic finns are just a trial ill have to take the foil off the inside of the side finns and if it works ill make some glass ones , cu on friday
would be interesting to still see what happens with your setup.
what i haven't tried is symetric foiled fins as the ones i have are 80/20 so that may make a difference.
i also only had a 25cm centre fin so could be i was over finned.
for me the extra fins are for grip. i would think if the fins were very short they may end up doing nothing as the board lifts and they leave the water.
Please forget your idea. It dont work for speed. People get from me for speed
fins from 18-25cm. Singlefins. And they should not be small and thin. My
fastes fin is Rake 30° elliptic 12-13cm wide 12mm thick and 22cm long.
Doubleasymm. profile, for both tacks. Cut out at the base. Use it please in waves.
Topspeed 50 knotsThomas Döblin. GPS. I thought to long time,small and thin.
Wolfgang
these side fins are 9cm and maybe a bit big, im not looking for lift just fins small enough for tracksion when bareing away and reduce the fin cavitation at high speeds, what i need to know is are they set strait or like surfboards that are offset, i tend to think for speed sailing they would be set strait and close to the rail
To save you time & with out punching numbers into the software that will say;
NO x 3.
1/ Use T-Plate cutouts, for wide/ normal tail board.
2/ Use single "small fin".
3/ Once feel comfortable in using the small fin", go smaller.
You will be surprise how small you can go,
Small fins is a learning curve, bit like learning to windsurf.
Small Fins are pressure sensitive, once you have overcome the fear & have an advance style of sailing go another size down.
nice idea, but i would rather a small small speed fin less drag too i guess and try and sail shallow waters.
Hi Keef, I have been sailing a hifly Madd twin fin board for the last 4 years or so and from my experience, they are no good for speed. You tend to get drag from one of the fins and when you try to drive the fins hard one of them will start to spin out while the other still has grip.
In Safety Bay for the last three weeks I found that I could go from sailing the Madd to sailing a 115L S-Type and straight away the speed was typically another 2 or 3 knots. It probably has a bit to do with the board shape too, but I suspect the drag of the second fin was a limiting factor.
Funnily enough I use two of Wolfgang's Chameleon weed fins in the Hifly. I initially tried it with two 23cm fins but they were too small and would break away into spin out easily, but with two 28cms it works okay.
With short fins you really notice how easy it is to spin out when there is a bit of chop. When you see some guys use 23cm asymmetric fins for speed sailing, keep in mind they are going downwind, way off the wind, and in very smooth water.
The one advantage to having two fins on my board is that for a 135L board it only has a fin depth of 28cm instead of 35 or more. If anyone has followed me over the sandbar at Safety Bay at low tide and wondered how the 'heavy' guy got over it and they didn't, I apologize It is great fun gybing in a foot of water though!
thanks dale, congrats on breaking the 30's in WA sounds like you had some great wind, and thanks for the info on your twinfin, im in two minds on wether ill stick the side fins in but i am modifiying the tail and it's not a big job tos stick them in while im glassing the tail, and then again i should take wolfgangs advise and can the idea
hi sailquick,
could you go deeper into why the twins would need to be parallel? i have been thinking about trying out parallel tri fin setup. is there any theory or anything you know of that may shed more light for me.
hi keef,
this is a fantastic read. a lot of things in this article i have been told by others, especially the twin fin outcomes.
somehting i was wanting to experiment with was the different foils of the tri fins. reading through the witchcraft article i am definately going to do it. i have suspected the main cause of drag was the 80/20 foil.
as i am using the side fins for control i'm not that bothered by the drag. my tri fin board has amazing grip and turns in an instant. but always kee nto try new things i've been keen to try some different foils to see the outcome.
another thing i find interesting about the witch craft boards is how the *board quad looks from the rear like a witchcraft tail. [}:)]http://www.pierrefremion.fr/HTLM/News/THE_RETURN_OF_THE_TRIFIN.htm
You have just giving me a idea, you are awesome dude. i might get some fitted by a surf board maker to my jp excite. So if i have two small fins on the sides i should be able to have a smaller fin in the middle and miss all the sand bars and reefs out there. plus the board should have less bounce.
What about the Bonzer boards? I rode one years ago in the Columbia River Gorge. It was a lot different to other boards of that era, being quite short and thick. Not a bad board to ride though I don't really remember it being particulary fast. This sort of setup would be good for riding in shallow waters.
Ok Guys,
If you want small & smaller than you could ever imagine!
How about 20cm Fin + Large Board + Neilpryde RS Slalom MKIII 9.5m Sail.
Check these numbers out & the "FIN SIZE"
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=56601&uid=179
Now Luke is a very experience Sailor,
fastest windsurfer in NZ, cracked 50 knots on a Kite & completed the coastal classic.
These Fins have not yet been finalised as the tank testing white papers have to be studied.
Will have some of these fins with me at Burrums Heads in March.
I worked in 39 years 155boards for Windsurfing. Only for myself. Only some boards
for Lechner. The last years make I only in front broken boards shorter. 2m long
no problem. I tried from one to five fins all it. I am a friend from concaves at the
bottum. The last years no time for boards, only fins.
What should a fin can do? Speed and no spin out. So I worked only asymm.fins
so how they do it in Sandy Point. Only for one way. Leewards flat. That was okay
later leewards a concave from the thickest point of profile to the end,2mm deep.
That was faster and no spin out. So there were 2fins. A right and a left.
There I are windsurfing in Netherland Srand Host, was it it always the same. In
front fast and back slowlier. Over 4km 20m in front, the first.
So I said , 10m in front, thats the half, but i am the first. So I worked the
concaves diagonal. A concave left and one right do not work. Diagonal works it good. The half concave for in front works leeward, the other works on the way back. 40cm fin, 20cm concave from the base to the middle, on the other side
from the middle to the tip. What happend? The concave for the way back
reduce the vacuum on the other side so good, that there was no difference.
Not 10m in front, 20m. Thats all. Cut out at the base? Helps to start very big
sails, witout to get spin out. Thats only for the first meters where you have not enough speed. Select asked me for Prototypes, they got some, they said to thick,
I said no, but now they work the Weedfins with cut out. They are the first who
wake up. Wolfgang