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Rose Bay tomorrow suitable for a learner?

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Created by Wollemi > 9 months ago, 14 Jan 2013
Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
14 Jan 2013 7:35PM
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NE 15 to 25 km/h in the middle of the day. 125L board. 5.2m sail.

These factors OK for a gumby?

Ta!

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
14 Jan 2013 5:07PM
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Yes

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
14 Jan 2013 7:35PM
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My thoughts on this topic are:

Go for it.

The stronger the conditions the faster you will learn. I took my old long board that I had out in 25kt winds with 30+ gusts I had a ball, really teaches you boom control and board control, not to mention balance. Plus you can only try as it allows you to push your limits and see what YOU are capable of. If you find it too hard, it's not hard to call it a day and sit back and watch the day go by.

Good luck and have fun.

Dezza
NSW, 937 posts
14 Jan 2013 8:59PM
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But keep an eye out for seaplanes

powersloshin
NSW, 1732 posts
15 Jan 2013 10:10AM
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deejay8204 said...
My thoughts on this topic are:

Go for it......



I agree. Only precaution make sure you sail in onshore conditions, so if anything happens you will be able to make it back.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8072 posts
15 Jan 2013 10:25AM
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Wollemi is talking kms/hr not knots so yes if onshore and not too much boat traffic it should be good.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
15 Jan 2013 10:25AM
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powersloshin said...
deejay8204 said...
My thoughts on this topic are:

Go for it......



I agree. Only precaution make sure you sail in onshore conditions, so if anything happens you will be able to make it back.


It's also a good idea when starting out to have a spotter with you. Especially in condition you are not familiar with, take a friend that won't mind sitting and watching out for you. One of my mates recently got blown about a fair way from where he started, lucky his wife was with him and able to follow him to pick him up from where he was able to get back to shore

Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
16 Jan 2013 4:34PM
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Arriving at 1pm, found the wind to be a light southerly. Later to a SE. By the time I was leaving ~6pm, the NE kicked in.

The tiny sandy grassy area above the stormwater outlets (at the bottom of Caledonian Rd had people lunching on it, so I rigged on the sand - I guess that is a no-no, so I put a blanket down. I tapped out or blew out sand before putting stuff together.
Now I can't take the inner extensions of the boom, off.

Brass(?) sliding ladder-lock of top of this 6m broke on downhauling sail. But then it was easy to tie off excess cloth tape into the 'turban'.

When (and how) should one insert the cam-inducer thingys? They were about the the last thing I shoved into place prior to hitting the water. I guess this should be done before tensioning battens.

From the first picture, it can be seen that two battens of this 6.0m sail (HK-made Neil Pryde slalom) want to push through beyond the mast.
Why - are the leading-edge pockets broken?
If so - will a sail maker sew these up? Or are the battens too long?
Either way - the battens may need rounding by filing?

I can't remove this fin, for some reason, but I can move it back and forth, as well as remove the screw and angle the fin leading edge out, but not the trailing edge. Otherwise, I set the fin as far forward as possible for me.

Is it true that the clear panels are mylar - and so I can't strap the sails to the board and roof-racks? I drive a '99 Forester.


Up hauling the remaining 2/3'rds of the line seemed tricky. Maybe extra knots would help? I wore sailing gloves.

Dual pin of the mast base came out 1cm+ at one stage while out on the water.

No, I didn't sail - but did step down from the board a lot... A passer-by thought the board is too small for me 'just now'. Anyway, I took pleasure from 'building' something - the rigging. And this seemed constructive compared to those sunbaking for hours.

Anyone know about this board?

Board specs;
10.5kg
296 x 61 cm
fin depth when in board is 32cm



deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
16 Jan 2013 3:59PM
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It might help to give your weight etc. the board should be ok for around a 70-80kg weight mark I would think. Not sure on the battons though. If you can take the board up to someone when they have just finished a good run, ask them to check it over for you and Elaine a few things as well. It helped with me to get a couple of lessons as well.

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
16 Jan 2013 3:17PM
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That looks like a Neil pryde raf/cam slalom circa 91. Take the cams off it'll be easier to sail when you're learning

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
16 Jan 2013 7:58PM
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That board is not suitable for a learner. You are making life hard for yourself trying to windsurf with it. The board is quite narrow and would be quite tippy. It would be difficult to get forward momentum on it. Its basically designed for planing, not for learning in non planing conditions.

Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
16 Jan 2013 10:49PM
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DeeJay (and Mobydisc) - I weigh 78kg.

The pictured 125L board is too narrow at 61cm?! Another board I have on permanent loan is a plastic German-made TC/TenCate at 370cm x 66cm - but does have a deep centre-board (with since-decayed gland removed).
I guess this board is stable though - I have used it as a SUP without centre-board nor fin on a windy day upon the Woronora, and to my surprise - stability and steerage were good.

I have tried to rig this board (TC/TenCate), but found a rectangular mast base is almost impossible to remove from the board now without a flat tool on hand to lever it out... And I don't have a mast extension to suit between base and mast - the sails are too tall otherwise.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8072 posts
17 Jan 2013 11:07AM
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You could get some advice from other sailors even if you just go to a popular spot where people are rigging and get some help to rig everything without going out.
Probably be best to get some lessons though. Once you've had some lessons on modern gear it will really make progress more enjoyable to buy some 2nd hand kit c 2000/2005 . At least then the equipment shouldn't let you down and you can get out and enjoy sailing.
If you buy wisely ( ask advice here) you can either resell and get smaller gear or keep the larger stuff for lightwind practise and just buy another board or sail.
I know it costs a bit to set up but at least then you can get some TOW and have some fun!

evlPanda
NSW, 9204 posts
17 Jan 2013 4:22PM
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I think I met you down there one afternoon? I had a black sail. I don't remember that board though.

As everyone has pointed out that is by no means beginner gear. It is (older) slalom gear. A 125 litre board and a 5.2m sail is good for a learner, just not in that form.

That said I learnt on very, very similar. It was definitely harder but I did it. Once you get planing on the gear it will be OK. Actually, I wouldn't mind a go.

Also I've found Rose Bay to be a bit of a handful. The wind is very gusty and comes through in bullets. On, off, on, off. Tiring stuff. The chop is all triangular and hard to both read and ride. More 'bad' conditions than 'advanced' conditions. Sea planes, ferries and even cruise liners make it even more a handful. Gybing with a view of the Opera House and Harbour Bridge do make it kinda special.

The sand bank on a high tide is excellent for a beginner though. If I see you there again I'll help you rig it and such. I suspect the other board, with the centreboard might be better.

Plan B) Learn to waterstart immediately.

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
18 Jan 2013 5:50AM
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The stingrays will definitely help with learning to water start.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
18 Jan 2013 9:18AM
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dan berry said...
The stingrays will definitely help with learning to water start.


Yep, I cant water start yet, but I know I can get up fast on a board when I stand on one at my local water patch. Scare the living day lights out of ya. Jellies come up second on most hated things. Sharks dont bother me, only get shovel-nose and Gummies where I sail,

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
18 Jan 2013 7:38AM
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Rose bay is a really good learner s spot in winter westerlies too. W-nw is best.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
20 Jan 2013 1:52AM
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Gotta go onshore there, southerly about worse possible.

Just out of curio, is there still a renting outfit there? I'll bet not...

evlPanda
NSW, 9204 posts
20 Jan 2013 6:25PM
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I was at Nielsen Park/Shark Bay today and it looked totally sailable (but not for a beginner). Maybe 50m of wind shadow from the hill and then clean wind/fetch from Manly all the way through to the slums of Point Piper. You could sail most of the way to Port Jackson (is that right on google maps?) before gybing back, or a shorter run with a lot of gybes if ferries, cruise boats, cruise liners and/or missile frigates became a problem. I find gybing a lot more enjoyable most times; ~300m runs.

Ample parking day or night, friendly folks without... what the? Ample parking, but not on public holidays, good rigging and launching areas. Only negative I can see is perhaps one of those fast ferries surprising you from around the corner, or gear breaking on an outgoing tide.

If I sail there I'll write a comprehensive report like I never do.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
21 Jan 2013 1:27AM
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Thought was not legal to windsurf the harbour in these parts ??
But yeah you're right, Nielsen offers a great angle for most wind directions...

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8072 posts
21 Jan 2013 10:24AM
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pierrec45 said...
Thought was not legal to windsurf the harbour in these parts ??
But yeah you're right, Nielsen offers a great angle for most wind directions...


Yes I thought there was a ban on windsurfing etc..?

evlPanda
NSW, 9204 posts
21 Jan 2013 1:19PM
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I've seen you out there. You know who you are!

Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
21 Jan 2013 6:18PM
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Friday 18th January. Blog. It swings back to windsurfing a couple of times, as with Sydney Harbour enviro issues. <Thanks in advance for reading.>

All four lanes of the M4 were absolutely mad with traffic from Blacktown to Homebush Bay drive - at 0515hrs.

I guessed it was going to be hot when I saw women in string bikinis at 0700, although all surfaces were still saturated in dew. I needed a spoon to get the air that I breathe - so thick.
It was to be almost 36 degrees at Observatory Hill (near the S end of the Harbour Bridge) - at 7pm. Records were exceeded statewide, including almost 45 degrees at home. Kanangra Main canyon was off for tomorrow - the leader - well, he had the two 60 metre ropes we needed for that anyway, was flying Bankstown to Cooma in a RAFT team at short notice. And the Blue Mountains National Parks weren't to be closed on the weekend.

Surprised myself by paddling my expedition kayak 9km in 70 minutes from Rose Bay to Clontarf, where I met up with many others from the NSW Sea Kayak Club to paddle to Manly Cove. The noise of the children by the Waterworks theme park was insane. At the beach, many more little boys insisted on holding onto deck lines of the sea kayaks. I saw two older blokes paddling with six children each attached; one of these blokes has taken on the quiet qualities of Bass Strait - so different here. Another guy we know of finished his fourth sea-kayak crossing of Bass Strait this week (with three other guys from the Lane Cove Kayak Club). Others joked that I was slacking off, having only three Xings in the past five years.

I continued on alone to Balmoral to practice kayak rolling, and to ask at the Sailing School/Club about lessons and a replacement rectangular mast base/UJ for the clunker. I was treated respectfully although I was holding a possibly 30-year old part. But why are all the young employees there English?

Had thought the weather forecast was incorrect as I was about to land at Balmoral. Then I landed... people ran from the grass to the waters edge. The deep shade of the many Moreton Bay figs offered little respite, although the sky was becoming a bit leaden.

It poured down by Hermitage and Queens Beach - for 30 seconds max. I rolled again to cool off, using a full face mask. My sinuses were still troubling me a bit after being hammered and pulling the spray deck a few times at Penrith White-water Stadium days prior. The mask is new, after driving away from Watsons Bay last week with the combo mask/camera probably falling off my car roof. The finder, on his daily 0430 bicycle ride from Coogee to Watsons Bay, posted it back to me - in pieces. The microSD is OK... I still reckon I never put stuff on my car roof. Except water-craft.

The kayak on the Subie at Rose Bay, the unweildly clunker of a sailboard and one-piece mast came off. The 5.2m sail does rig OK without a mast extension to suit this retro gear - but there are no jam cleats to lock off the 4mm/5mm cord. I managed to fairly easily tie it off without losing too much bend in the mast. The thunder increased, as did the wind. I practised rigging again. The battens still want to push through the leading edge/luff of the sail - although the cam inducers seem to reduce this pressure a bit, yet the worse batten pressure is well away from cam-inducer placements.

A txt cautioned me of a Severe Area Thunderstorn Warning. What I feared worst, although the 'damaging winds' never eventuated (but did gust to 70km/h about 2130), was wind catching the long sail board (3.7m TenCate) and/or 5.1m sea-kayak and wrenching them off the car. Worse, I had a few near misses with dog droppings in the park. There is a letter in today's SMH about this, as inspired by an article about formal-fireworks remains found on the seabed in Sydney Harbour. I wrote said letter :)

Although I saw a few more paddlers and arrive, set-up without looking at the water and paddle across the bay, in everything from kevlar ocean skis to clunky double SOT's, I drove home - woose. Yet, for my birthday, I just received a gift certificate of wind-surfing lessons at Balmoral - woohoo !


Other stuff noticed on this interesting day;

- didn't I screw it with respect to the wind and my want of wind-surfing TOW! - I should have ignored the kayak.

- MHYC at The Spit and Clontarf Marina appear to have gained approval respectively for noticeably increased marina/berthing size. Both, independently, are claiming it will improve their member or client base. This is 33%, or about 28 yacht spaces at MHYC. Construction commences in winter, subject to funding - yet state that they are loosing members due to 'Our Club is not alone and single purpose clubs around the country are similarly struggling with declining membership bases and the fierce competition from private sector entertainment, food and beverage outlets.' The area around MHYC is a very narrow and quite busy body of water for traffic - this may be an accident waiting to happen.

- Oceanworld Manly is now known as Manly SEA LIFE Sanctuary. Right... IMO, it is a zoo/circus combo still.
From their website 'Check out the BRAND NEW Penguin Cove where you can discover our own colony of Manly's iconic Little Penguins' and Visitors can also take the plunge with... Shark Dive Extreme is a unique opportunity of a lifetime to dive into our tank and come face to face with the resident Grey Nurse Sharks, turtles and stingrays.

Recently I encountered a turtle with a head as big as my fist near Forty Baskets Beach, I have snorkelled with a Grey Nurse Shark at Fairy Bower (between Manly and Shelly Beach), I have lost count of the penguins I have seen in lower Sydney Harbour. Perhaps if NPWS were given funding to patrol and penalise the disrespectful people who pull up at now opened-up (which is part of the problem with wildlife protection) Quarantine Beach in their motor-boats with their dogs (both are banned there, for goodness sakes!), we would not need to imprison stressed Little Penguins.

- Letter published in the SMH 21st January;

Not so dazzling

How timely your article, ''Fireworks spectacle is environmental fizzer'' (January 19-20). On Friday, while kayaking on Sydney Harbour and its pretty extensions (at least as viewed from the surface), I practised rolling my kayak just mere metres off Balmoral Beach, where I was alarmed at the amount of plastic bags of all sizes clinging to plant life.

Later the same day, while rigging a windsurfer at Tingira Memorial Park, immediately adjacent to the otherwise charming waters of Rose Bay, I had to continually look to keep myself from walking in or allowing my sailing rig to come in contact with several deposits of sizeable dog faeces across the grass.

The City of Sydney is not alone in being ''unaware'' - Mosman Council and Woollahra Municipal Council have some explaining to do, too. Biodegradable or not.


www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ofarrells-hunger-for-power-puts-lives-at-serious-risk-20130120-2d14v.html









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