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Video of jetskiiers doing the wrong thing

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Created by Mobydisc > 9 months ago, 5 Nov 2012
Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Nov 2012 10:57PM
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Hi,

my wife tooks some video of the windsurfing at Kyeemagh last Sunday. She also took footage of jetskiiers going flat out close to windsurfers and close to the shore.

What is the rule with the distance jet skiiers should keep from other water craft and the shore.

In the video there are two jet skis that are around 100 meters from the shore at low tide going flat out, travelling parallel with the beach around 20 meters past the netted swimming area.

Unfortunately their registration can't be made out in the video.

I normally wouldn't care but it seems like its pretty well inevitable that more people will get hurt or killed because of one of these jetskiiers travelling well over 60km/h makes a mistake.

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
6 Nov 2012 1:00AM
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"PWC are not permitted to be operated in an
'irregular manner' within 200m of the shoreline
of the above. Examples of operating in an
irregular manner are:
„„Driving in a circle or other pattern.
„„Weaving or diverting.
„„Surfing down or jumping over or across any
swell, wave or wash.
This means that PWC are required to be
operated generally in a straight line within 200m
of the shoreline"

„60 metres from persons or non-powered
vessels (sailing and passive) that are underway
or if that is not possible, a safe distance.

dweller
NSW, 134 posts
6 Nov 2012 12:55PM
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They were doing the same thing yesterday, just out past the shark nets. Your right an accident waiting to happen

Where are the rego numbers on those things

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Nov 2012 1:45PM
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Next time I'm at Kyeemagh and the jet skiiers are there blasting away close to shore and other water users I'll take footage and pictures. I'll try to get their rego numbers and then will see if I can pass the footage onto the MSB or whoever is meant to be running the place.

Another thing that pissed me off about Kyeemagh last Sunday was all the rubbish left around. Some people are lighting fires there using what looks to be charcol. Also a big glass bottle too.

Its a real shame what use to be a great place to go is turning into a garbage tip.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
6 Nov 2012 5:49PM
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I start by saying I really dislike Jet Ski's, they simply have no attraction for me at all, and unfortunaly they do seem to attract a certain type of individual.

But in saying that, seeing you said they were 100m from shore, unless there was someone swimming in the netted area and they didn't come with-in 60m of any windsurfer they might not have actually doing anything wrong (however that can always be interpreted many ways).

It's also worth noting that accoring to Maratime NSW some of the same rules apply to windsurfers:

Sailboarding/Kitesurfing

Sailboarding (sometimes referred to as windsurfing) and kitesurfing (sometimes referred to as kiteboarding) are surface water sports that combine elements of surfing with sailing and kiting, harnessing the power of the wind.

Both sailboards and kiteboards are classified as vessels and therefore come under NSW marine legislation.

Distance off

When travelling at 10 knots or more, sailboarders/ kitesurfers and their equipment, including kite and lines, must:
•Maintain a minimum distance of 60m from any persons or non-powered vessels or 30m from powered vessels and any objects in the water or, if that is not possible, a safe distance.
•Stay out of a designated swimming zone.


This means everytime you pass close by another sailor and you are on the plane you are actually breaking the law (ie, traveling greater than 10 knots with-in 60m of an unpowered vessel).

The above rule seems silly to us, and I have never heard of it upheld. Just think of the number of times you have sailed close to a mate, or sailed past a guy who has fallen and is in the water. Just pointing this out because sometimes you do need to be careful what you wish for in chasing down these guys, as it could come back to bite you.


174
NSW, 190 posts
6 Nov 2012 8:08PM
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aus301 said...

It's also worth noting that accoring to Maratime NSW some of the same rules apply to windsurfers:



The closest calls I've had/seen at Kyeemagh were with other sailors, not Jet skis. E.g. a guy who decided to overtake an beginner about 3m upwind and then spin out into them. The excuse being "I lost control" - which is why you shouldn't put yourself in that spot to start with!

DunkO
NSW, 1144 posts
6 Nov 2012 8:53PM
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174 said...
aus301 said...

It's also worth noting that accoring to Maratime NSW some of the same rules apply to windsurfers:



The closest calls I've had/seen at Kyeemagh were with other sailors, not Jet skis. E.g. a guy who decided to overtake an beginner about 3m upwind and then spin out into them. The excuse being "I lost control" - which is why you shouldn't put yourself in that spot to start with!


Even worse you have idiots doing twirly wirly spinny things, stay well away from these from these out of control sailors.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:07PM
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We took some video and have pictures with the rego number of the idiot jetskiing just off the shore at Kyeemagh on Sunday.

As far as I can see he stopped his antics when the MSB boat came around but started up again once when they departed.

Any ideas whether we should submit the footage to the MSB or not? The bloke was jetskiing like a complete lunatic and clearly in breach of the regulations about jetskiing within 100 meters off the shore in a straight line.




JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:15PM
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i have photo eveidence of them doing the wrong thing around our kite racing lats weekend.

The dickheads where no further then 5 meters from me doing donuts, i told them to piss off, and they just looked at me like confused puppies.

cant win

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
20 Nov 2012 4:42PM
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Post it here via youtube then we can decide on it

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
21 Nov 2012 9:22AM
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i'm the one sitting in the water waiting for them to move off at "under 4 knots from any wind or human powered vessel". right

ric was caught upwind behind me

Hot Sails Maui
NSW, 35 posts
5 Dec 2012 11:44AM
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I've just had a chat with one of my contacts at NSW Water Police.

All above is pretty much accurate:
- Jetski must be under 10 knots within 30m from shore
- Jetski NOT to drive in an irregular manner i.e figure 8, doughnuts within 200m from shore.

The NSW Water Police will follow up on any video footage so long as there is a visible rego number on the jetski. One thing to take into consideration, is that if the driver pleads not guilty, the video filmer will have to give evidence in court. So just need to keep that one in mind.

If you see any of the above, then you can contact the Water Police boat crew on:

0418 221 100
If they are in the vicinity, then they can respond immediately. Won't work so well if they are in Sydney Harbour etc....

The Station number is: 9529 8140

Sail Safe

Jonathan

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
5 Dec 2012 12:00PM
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What about the Police Jetski Patrols announced in Oct.

"THEIR intolerable noise has them denounced as the leaf blowers of the sea but NSW police will rely on a squadron of jet-skis to patrol Sydney's waterways this summer.

Ten of the vessels will form the basis of the newly created marine enforcement team, unveiled by the Police Commissioner, Andrew Scipione, yesterday.

Conducting random breath tests, compliance checks and search and rescues, the squad will patrol Sydney Harbour as well as Broken Bay and Botany Bay in the same way police cars roam residential streets and highways.


Read more: www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-patrols-become-more-buzz-than-fuzz-20121023-283lf.html


Haven't seen or heard much about them since

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
5 Dec 2012 12:16PM
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There were a couple of border-line jet-ski behaviour last Sunday at Kyeemagh just south of the shark net. The police boat eventually showed up and caught one of them who was getting out of the canal full speed. (though only by luck, cause the jet (with his driver looking in the opposite direction*) was going faster than the police boat trying to catch him, but then decided to stop)

But honestly, jet-ski drivers can see the boat coming and have this strong tendency to beach when he's around, only to resume their action once he leaves. Thus I don't believe it's really going to reduce the problem. However that Police jet-ski squad is another story, that's a lot more sneaky**. But I'm assuming they would focus on the harbour, not Botany Bay.


* I assumed he didn't see them chasing him. He stopped for some reason so they manage to close on him, but there were definitely outpaced... And they didn't use their siren until they were on him....

** Think about the jet-ski driver dismay, trying to show off or race this new comer, only to realise that it's actually a policeman...

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
5 Dec 2012 3:57PM
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Get onto them before it gets worse. You perhaps don't appreciate how utterly devoid of watercraft Botany Bay really is, comparably.

This happened last year in my usual town:
www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
5 Dec 2012 6:05PM
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evlPanda said...
Get onto them before it gets worse. You perhaps don't appreciate how utterly devoid of watercraft Botany Bay really is, comparably.

This happened last year in my usual town:
www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes



I read about that when it happened last year...

My point is that you can't get onto them. The small portion of rogue drivers don't get any real efficient sanctions, and are smart enough to avoid getting caught anyway... If you're 30m from the sand, if doesn't take you long to beach before police is on scene....

Not to mention that I've never seen the police boat in botany bay when it really matters: during peak hour, around 12-1pm on a sunny day. If they show up at 3pm once the NE has cooled the air and made the water choppy, there's nobody left to catch....



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