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northern beaches-the coast's most frustrating NE?

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Created by tomp > 9 months ago, 7 Nov 2012
tomp
NSW, 688 posts
7 Nov 2012 4:24PM
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not sure what it is about the NE.

central coast 25 K
botany 25-30
syd harb 20-25

narrabeen/dee why/manly 13-15 K!!!!!!

qwerty
NSW, 807 posts
7 Nov 2012 4:41PM
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or more specifically...
Long Reef beach - 10 knots
1km out to sea from Long Reef - 20 knots

As much as I love the place, that part of it p1ssed me off year after year.
9th season living in the Gong now. Problem solved.

albers
NSW, 1737 posts
7 Nov 2012 8:57PM
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qwerty said...
or more specifically...
Long Reef beach - 10 knots
1km out to sea from Long Reef - 20 knots

As much as I love the place, that part of it p1ssed me off year after year.
9th season living in the Gong now. Problem solved.


And 2-3 km inland from Long Reef it's 20+ knots

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
8 Nov 2012 12:30AM
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qwerty said...
or more specifically...
Long Reef beach - 10 knots
1km out to sea from Long Reef - 20 knots

As much as I love the place, that part of it p1ssed me off year after year.
9th season living in the Gong now. Problem solved.


You reckon? Yesterday I went out at 330, was 25kts, swam gear back in at 4pm, <5kts. Went out at 415, 35kts, swam gear back in again 445pm. Looked at the Kurnell graphs, solid 30kts all arvo, Gerroa would have been the same!

Sometimes Wollongong, for whatever reason, suffers the same fate, 20kts 400m off the beach, nothing AT the beach...****s me. Has to be something to do with the escarpment being so close when the airstream has a bit more North in it.

ka43
NSW, 3075 posts
8 Nov 2012 9:08AM
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Long Reef used to be the most consistent nor-easter on the northern beaches. Just ask Qwerty That was a long time ago. Admittedly it always seems to have quite a bit of north in it and is windy quite offshore at the old spots.
However on Monday and Tuesday if you wanted strong then the sea breeze was funneling into "Brooky Bobs" on Narrabeen Lagoon.
Not the ocean but for B & J and some speed runs it was howling. Definite gusts to 30+. In the middle of the run there was 3 foot chop.
Most spots have changed over the years, dont know whether its the wind, global warming, whatever. Its frustrating but you adapt!!

qwerty
NSW, 807 posts
8 Nov 2012 10:23AM
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CJW said...
qwerty said...
or more specifically...
Long Reef beach - 10 knots
1km out to sea from Long Reef - 20 knots

As much as I love the place, that part of it p1ssed me off year after year.
9th season living in the Gong now. Problem solved.


You reckon? Yesterday I went out at 330, was 25kts, swam gear back in at 4pm, <5kts. Went out at 415, 35kts, swam gear back in again 445pm. Looked at the Kurnell graphs, solid 30kts all arvo, Gerroa would have been the same!

Sometimes Wollongong, for whatever reason, suffers the same fate, 20kts 400m off the beach, nothing AT the beach...****s me. Has to be something to do with the escarpment being so close when the airstream has a bit more North in it.


Yes I certainly do reckon. You don't know how lucky you/we have it. You need to spend a season in Sydney (and no that can't include freestyle at Kurnell).

Also Mr Glass-Half-Empty, what others would read from your post is that you sailed for an hour; half of which was in 25knts, and the other half in 35knts. All while most of us were at work. I can hear the sound of violins playing on the Nth Beaches now.

While I know exactly the frustration you speak of when the wind does weird things like you described, it' still the small minority of NE days that do that.

Longy with wind is an awesome spot to sail. Perfect angle and gets good swell.
But it came to the point where you'd be planing off the beach once, maybe twice a year tops. As Larko said, it used to be very consistent, and there's been many threads devoted to theories as to why it no longer is (CBD too big? Not as many concrete backyards in Dee Why as there are in Kogarah? who knows?).

The Gong doesn't suffer anywhere near the same fate as the Nth Beaches. Majority of days blow what is says it will blow, and for every day where it shuts off like that, there's a day where it blows more than it predicts.

But regardless of that, I'll still be cursing the wind as much/more than you the next time it does that at home. I'm a local through and through.

tomp
NSW, 688 posts
8 Nov 2012 11:41AM
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Querty, I too remember the classic days at Long Reef, the 80's more specifically.

I'm really not sure of all the (lack of wind) reasons, obviously a number of factors. NNE seems to be a real issue as the proper NE is slightly off shore and comes nicely across the golf course as you know and can be great even when moderate.

No doubt the Botany/Kurnell area has geographic advantages.

At the end of last summer I swam in with my gear at 6.30-7pm (when the wind dropped) so that 1 hour swim at dusk was enough to scare/p!ss me off to reconsider the light NE. 1. Don't be shark bait - not always avoidable. Get a bigger board - done. 3. Go to Botany/Wanda/Illawarra when possible - hard with a job and 3 kids but always hopefull!

stehsegler
WA, 3472 posts
8 Nov 2012 9:04AM
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The breaks around Long Reef with the right wind and swell is as good as anywhere in the world. The only problem is you need to be able to drop everything (including work) when it's on.

As far as NE wind is concerned, I was wondering about that myself the other day when I saw a video and some photos of the comps there in the 80s. It sure looked windy in the photos.

I am putting it down to the concrete that went up all over the place.

I wonder if BOM have ever done an airstream and temperature survey for the Sydney CBD area. That would give a good indication why the sea breeze is better in some coastal areas and worse in others.

Place like Gerroa are easy to pick but it get's a bit more tricky around other areas that don't such obvious topography.

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
9 Nov 2012 8:27AM
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tomp said...

not sure what it is about the NE.

central coast 25 K
botany 25-30
syd harb 20-25

narrabeen/dee why/manly 13-15 K!!!!!!


I guess thats what you get for living in the 2nd most beautiful region in Sydney

Putting flame suit on and bunkering down

tomp
NSW, 688 posts
9 Nov 2012 10:09AM
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lloydy,

northern beaches V the shire??!!

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
9 Nov 2012 10:24AM
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I dont care about who's area is better:

all i know is its windier in the shire.

stehsegler
WA, 3472 posts
9 Nov 2012 9:46AM
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JBFletch said...
all i know is its windier in the shire.


It just feel that way... because the people that live there are shorter and have big feet.

LeStef
ACT, 514 posts
9 Nov 2012 8:39PM
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Yes, can't imagine that that there would be less heat coming off the land on the north shore and would create less suction for the wind from the sea.
Would the amount of trees be that important (less forest, more buildings) ?
I wonder how far the land heat / cloud effect would be effective here, the Blue Mtn range ?
I lived in Hobart and the effect of Mt Wellington was very obvious to the breeze on the river.

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
9 Nov 2012 11:22PM
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stehsegler said...
JBFletch said...
all i know is its windier in the shire.


It just feel that way... because the people that live there are shorter and have big feet.



They do call us Hobbits sometimes...was up at Bowgowlah today...I love northern beaches...used to surf a lot up there in the early 80's as lived at Chatswood. Actually both areas are quite similar in culture etc...and a bit xenophobic

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
9 Nov 2012 8:34PM
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CJW said...
qwerty said...
or more specifically...
Long Reef beach - 10 knots
1km out to sea from Long Reef - 20 knots

As much as I love the place, that part of it p1ssed me off year after year.
9th season living in the Gong now. Problem solved.


You reckon? Yesterday I went out at 330, was 25kts, swam gear back in at 4pm, <5kts. Went out at 415, 35kts, swam gear back in again 445pm. Looked at the Kurnell graphs, solid 30kts all arvo, Gerroa would have been the same!

Sometimes Wollongong, for whatever reason, suffers the same fate, 20kts 400m off the beach, nothing AT the beach...****s me. Has to be something to do with the escarpment being so close when the airstream has a bit more North in it.


But how good are the southerlies? And the number of times they come in wide and turn up at Peggies 30 minutes before sunset? I've missed a few having given them up as lost.


Next time it happens I'll say "I told you so" Only just noted the graphs are shaded at sunset, but you can push it another 30 minutes.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
16 Dec 2012 6:53PM
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Is this close enough for an "I told you so" ?



Was ready but just a wee bit late.

Chris 249
NSW, 3353 posts
16 Dec 2012 10:15PM
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stehsegler said...

As far as NE wind is concerned, I was wondering about that myself the other day when I saw a video and some photos of the comps there in the 80s. It sure looked windy in the photos.

I am putting it down to the concrete that went up all over the place.



I did many of those Long Reef contests in the '80s. They were held in the windiest time of the year and yet we sometimes spent days on end without a decent NE. There were SOME good days, because the contests often ran for about 7 days, but there were also many very frustrating ones.

I can also recall being frantic with frustration at the lack of wind in the '80s, and then looking out to see the yachts sailing with small jib and overpowered, because they were designed with bigger rigs and more attention on light/medium wind performance than most boards.

We just build board for the winds we want, instead of the wind we get.

Ian K
WA, 4049 posts
16 Dec 2012 7:48PM
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Ah! so it does look like the passage of southerlies is synchronised with daylight hours. After only 3 yrs on the coast I've finally caught on. Maybe the real big ones travel a bit quicker. Those early ones were before daylight saving i suppose. It's worth watching out for them.

From the BOM website


Big busters in history

The following Southerly Busters brought the strongest winds to Sydney.

1942 Two notable Southerly Busters were recorded in 1942. The first gusted to 104 km/h at 4.00 pm on 25 January 1942 and was followed by severe thunderstorms. The second recorded a gust of 109 km/h at 4.40 pm on 4 October.
1943 Significant Southerly Busters in 1943 struck on 23 March (gust of 95 km/h at 3.40 pm) and 28 March (gust of 108 km/h at 9.50 pm).
1945 On 9 November 1945, a Southerly Buster gust of 105 km/h occurred at 6.10 pm, accompanied by thunderstorms.
1946 The largest temperature drop associated with a Southerly Buster occurred on November 6, when the temperature changed from 39.1°C at 4.00 pm to 19°C at 5.00 pm. (This buster also brought a maximum wind gust of 91 km/h.)
1948 The strongest Southerly Buster on record at Sydney Airport hit at 6.40 pm on 18 December 1948 with a maximum wind gust of 113 km/h. The maximum temperature that day was 34.8°C.
1957 After a maximum temperature of 40.4°C on 2 December 1957, a squally Southerly Buster reached Sydney at 5.30 pm, with a peak gust of 104 km/h.
1958 Wind gusts in a Southerly Buster reached 100 km/h at 5.10 pm on 10 January 1958.
1973 Notable Southerly Busters in 1973 struck on 6 February (maximum gust 98 km/h) after a maximum temperature that day of 39.7°C, and on 20 November (gust of 96 km/h) after a maximum of 38.4°C.
1982 A Southerly Buster on 25 November 1982 was accompanied by dust storms and preceded by a record November temperature of 41.8°C in Sydney. The maximum wind gust at Sydney Airport was 89 km/h at 4.10 pm.
1994 A very late Southerly Buster arrived at 2.00 am on 29 December 1994, with a peak gust of 98 km/h at 3.09 am.
2001 On 15 January 2001, a Southerly Buster with a maximum gust of 100 km/h caused blackouts, property damage and uprooted trees. Temperatures reached 46°C at Penrith. This was the hottest day in Sydney's western suburbs since 1939.
2003 The second strongest Southerly Buster on record reached a maximum gust of 109 km/h at 5.22 pm on 8 January 2003. Thunderstorms with small hail followed the change and 70 suburbs lost power after lightning strikes.
2004 A Southerly Buster with a maximum gust of 91 km/h reached Sydney at 4.30 pm on 4 December 2004, after a maximum temperature of 41.8°C.
2006 On 1 January 2006, a Southerly Buster reached Sydney at 8.17 pm with a maximum gust of 95 km/h. The maximum temperature at Observatory Hill that day was 45.2°C, the second highest on record.

174
NSW, 190 posts
16 Dec 2012 11:07PM
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If there's a seabreeze is that enough to hold back a southerly for a while, say until just after sunset?

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
16 Dec 2012 11:20PM
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I was ready too Ian but I held little hope, spammed the Nowra obs all evening

jdemol
NSW, 25 posts
17 Dec 2012 1:56PM
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Was very tempted to go out (on lake illawarra probably) during the night with a headlight. It's so frustrating when it hits just too late in the evening, and then blows all night, and then just dies before sunrise :(

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
19 Dec 2012 4:30PM
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Todays NE'r in the Northern Beaches is probably one of the worst yet. Watching wavesailing at Wanda on Swellnet and Manly isn't even whitecapping!

SUP time.

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
19 Dec 2012 5:15PM
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^^^ Just in case you wanted to know...I was blown off the water on a 5.0 at Gerroa today.

...But it was a bit gusty and the waves were only up to waist high.....So don't think for a moment that we've got it good down here.

fruitgum
NSW, 40 posts
19 Dec 2012 10:06PM
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hoping Long Reef will be good tomorow.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
19 Dec 2012 10:09PM
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Had a good sail . Somewhere along 7 mile beach . Some decent waves coming through.. 4.5m plenty wind .!!

jh2703
NSW, 1222 posts
19 Dec 2012 10:21PM
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r2908 said...
Somewhere along 7 mile beach


Are you keeping it a secret or was that you down at Berry Beach? Looked good.

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
19 Dec 2012 11:05PM
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Was a bit light in the Gong, had to run a 4.7 today ^_^

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
20 Dec 2012 8:57AM
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jh2703 said...
r2908 said...
Somewhere along 7 mile beach


Are you keeping it a secret or was that you down at Berry Beach? Looked good.


Ha . No secret .. was quite good . Just me and two billion blowflies

makesurf
NSW, 239 posts
24 Dec 2012 5:52PM
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tomp said...

not sure what it is about the NE.


Did it again today



The city used to suck, now it is like the northern beaches is under a bubble.



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