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Forums > Windsurfing Victoria

Parks Vic Boating Regs Port Phillip Bay

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Created by Old Salty > 9 months ago, 25 Jan 2014
Old Salty
VIC, 1271 posts
25 Jan 2014 5:31PM
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Dropped in on the retailers this morning and found this useful guide

http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/600392/new-boat-swim-zones-brochure-June-2013.pdf

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
25 Jan 2014 6:28PM
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Good find Doug, thanks!

baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
26 Jan 2014 9:47PM
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Yep, signs have appeared at Hampton Beach over the past few days.



ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
28 Jan 2014 10:17AM
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I looked at this over the weekend.... they've actually been pretty good about it.

Dendy is launchable at the top.
Green point allowed.
Ricketts point south - ok ish at the south end


Most importantly

Mentone - Naples street (end of my road) is launchable too


baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
28 Jan 2014 6:42PM
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So is Hampton up the north end as long as you are careful to dodge the dirty big rock. Between the groynes is open slather if u don't mind being with hundreds of kiters. It's all doable, I agree.

Old Salty
VIC, 1271 posts
28 Jan 2014 8:07PM
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WV and IWC caught wind of the original proposal at the eleventh hour as it was almost going to print. There where several meetings and what we see now is the outcome of those negotiations. A much better outcome than what was originally proposed.

LittleOnion
VIC, 25 posts
28 Jan 2014 10:19PM
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Got one of the signs at my launch in safety beach. Too bad the jetskiers dont take note.

Retzy
VIC, 130 posts
28 Jan 2014 11:38PM
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That picture of the kiter on the sign is begging for some modification

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
29 Jan 2014 9:48AM
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is it just me or does the jet skier picture looks like someone trying to hump a dolphin....?

and the kitesurfer one looks like a guy trying to eat a giant pizza...?

if it's just me, don't say anything please

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
29 Jan 2014 10:09AM
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ginger pom said..

is it just me or does the jet skier picture looks like someone trying to hump a dolphin....?

and the kitesurfer one looks like a guy trying to eat a giant pizza...?

if it's just me, don't say anything please


Hmmm.... I wonder how long it will take for "dolphin humpers" to start trending as the new nickname for jetskiers....:)

echunda
VIC, 764 posts
29 Jan 2014 11:07AM
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LittleOnion said..

Got one of the signs at my launch in safety beach. Too bad the jetskiers dont take note.


Might be hard to see from the water

WIndsurfVic
VIC, 55 posts
29 Jan 2014 9:15PM
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Please note; Windsurfing Victoria has not made a broadcast about these changes yet, as Parks Victoria is still waiting for final approval of their installations. They will advise WV and others once approval has been given. An official notice will be issued. This comes over a year since the first windsport zones were installed at a Rye and Rosebud. Please Be careful and check the current rules and regulations that are in place.

www.parks.vic.gov.au/water-management/boating-and-swimming-zones

sv2
VIC, 26 posts
29 Jan 2014 9:51PM
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I gotta be honest I really need one of these signs in my backyard there cool,
But because of jet skis not following the rules of the water this is the bug bear we have to live with
The surfers are going to have a field day when it hits western port bay as they complain about everything and a lot of
Our breaks will be no go zones ,even if its no good for surfing
Well that's my 2cents worth (although it means nothing to the parks vic )

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
30 Jan 2014 10:38AM
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WIndsurfVic said..

Please note; Windsurfing Victoria has not made a broadcast about these changes yet, as Parks Victoria is still waiting for final approval of their installations. They will advise WV and others once approval has been given. An official notice will be issued. This comes over a year since the first windsport zones were installed at a Rye and Rosebud. Please Be careful and check the current rules and regulations that are in place.

www.parks.vic.gov.au/water-management/boating-and-swimming-zones


Thanks for sharing this. Any chance to provide feedback on Stage 3? I see they've tried to be very accomodating, but they have the Parkdale area wrong. They have created a shared wind sports area east of Parkers road. All the windsurfers launch just west of Parkers Road next to the yacht club. It would make far more sense to have the areas around the yacht club as a shared wind sports area. Seems like they've tried to do this but got it wrong? No-one launches to the west of Parkers, there's no-where to rig up and frankly, there are more swimmers there so its less safe.

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
30 Jan 2014 10:42AM
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Sputnik11 said..

WIndsurfVic said..

Please note; Windsurfing Victoria has not made a broadcast about these changes yet, as Parks Victoria is still waiting for final approval of their installations. They will advise WV and others once approval has been given. An official notice will be issued. This comes over a year since the first windsport zones were installed at a Rye and Rosebud. Please Be careful and check the current rules and regulations that are in place.

www.parks.vic.gov.au/water-management/boating-and-swimming-zones


Thanks for sharing this. Any chance to provide feedback on Stage 3? I see they've tried to be very accomodating, but they have the Parkdale area wrong. They have created a shared water sports area east of Parkers road. All the windsurfers launch just west of Parkers Road next to the yacht club. No-one launches to the west of Parkers, there's no-where to rig up and frankly, there are more swimmers there so its less safe.


Also not exactly sure, but the guys who sail at Bonnbeach might want a look, there's a large swimming only section there. I don't know the exact launching spot (although I sail there a bit). This might be changing.

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
30 Jan 2014 1:40PM
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The launching area at Bonbeach is outside the 'swimming only' area. It starts at Williams Grove car park and the swimming zone ends well before that.

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
30 Jan 2014 5:49PM
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The launching area at Bonbeach is outside the 'swimming only' area. It starts at Williams Grove car park and the swimming zone ends well before that.


That's good news. I wonder how they got Parkdale so wrong. I mean, there's a yacht club there. Its a shared space, so that's something I suppose, but they've created a shared wind sports zone where no-one current, or will likely, want to sail. And the yacht club is literally right next to it. Makes no sense unless they've made a mistake.

ian0703
VIC, 6 posts
1 Feb 2014 12:30PM
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Looks like Pookipa and Point Ormond are limited to 5 knots within 200m of the beach. That's going to be a challenge for local sailors and King of the Bay pilots.

fabulon31
VIC, 74 posts
1 Feb 2014 2:24PM
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ian0703 said..

Looks like Pookipa and Point Ormond are limited to 5 knots within 200m of the beach. That's going to be a challenge for local sailors and King of the Bay pilots.


I was thinking the same thing... Somone is going to be made an example of for going over 5 knots when it's blowing 20 knots.... Ridiculous.... Anyone swimming 50 meters off the beach when it's 20 knots should be fined for being stupid....
Far out..have I made a mistake? .. Next they'll ban people from walking on the beach because the sand might be too hot..

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
1 Feb 2014 4:58PM
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I just

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fabulon31 said..

ian0703 said..

Looks like Pookipa and Point Ormond are limited to 5 knots within 200m of the beach. That's going to be a challenge for local sailors and King of the Bay pilots.


I was thinking the same thing... Somone is going to be made an example of for going over 5 knots when it's blowing 20 knots.... Ridiculous.... Anyone swimming 50 meters off the beach when it's 20 knots should be fined for being stupid....
Far out..have I made a mistake? .. Next they'll ban people from walking on the beach because the sand might be too hot..


I just wonder about some errors here. Am I right i thinking Pookipa isn't much of a swimming spot? Sorry to bang on about it but Parkdale yacht club should be a shared wind sports area, but its not. If you can't do that in front of a yacht club, where can you?

ian0703
VIC, 6 posts
1 Feb 2014 7:54PM
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Currently there isn't a single shared wind sports area between Middle Brighton and the kite area at West Beach St Kilda - the guys who sail from Elwood Sailing Club don't even get one! A shared wind sports area wouldn't preclude swimming either. It just requires you to slow to 5 knots when within 50m of a swimmer - sensible really.

TristanF
VIC, 230 posts
2 Feb 2014 9:18PM
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Sputnik11 said...
I Am I right i thinking Pookipa isn't much of a swimming spot?


It's horrible, and plain dangerous where we all launch South of the outflow. Doesn't stop the occasion idiot swimming breaststroke through the shore break, barely visible to a sailor until you're on top of them.

What every happened to the concept of voluntary assumption of risk?

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
2 Feb 2014 9:38PM
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What every happened to the concept of voluntary assumption of risk?


I share your views.

But consider, if all the idiots were to die, who would be left to run the country. Hence the link between government and idiot-protection.


fabulon31
VIC, 74 posts
2 Feb 2014 9:59PM
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TristanF said..

Sputnik11 said...
I Am I right i thinking Pookipa isn't much of a swimming spot?


It's horrible, and plain dangerous where we all launch South of the outflow. Doesn't stop the occasion idiot swimming breaststroke through the shore break, barely visible to a sailor until you're on top of them.

What every happened to the concept of voluntary assumption of risk?


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fabulon31
VIC, 74 posts
2 Feb 2014 10:30PM
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TristanF said..

Sputnik11 said...
I Am I right i thinking Pookipa isn't much of a swimming spot?


It's horrible, and plain dangerous where we all launch South of the outflow. Doesn't stop the occasion idiot swimming breaststroke through the shore break, barely visible to a sailor until you're on top of them.

What every happened to the concept of voluntary assumption of risk?


It always amazes me when I see parents letting their kids swim there when people are sailing. On a couple of occasions I've gone over and politely pointed out that the windsurfers are only using a small section of the beach and suggested that it's probably not the safest place to be... The first time I did it the idiot parent looked at me like I was being completely unreasonable and did nothing...
I've never said anything when an adult is swimming there. It's just not worth it..

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
3 Feb 2014 7:04PM
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Makes me think not enough research/consultation went into this. There are a few no brainer spots for shared wind sports that seem to have been ignored.

Relapse
VIC, 601 posts
4 Feb 2014 1:45PM
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Hey WV who do we need to lobby to get Pookipa up as a shared spot? Swimming there should be strongly discouraged anyway given the proximity to the storm water outlet. Not sure its a big enough to safely launch or land a kite there so maybe they need a new 'Windsurfing' only catergory!!! Just like the real thing in Maui

TristanF
VIC, 230 posts
8 Feb 2014 9:59AM
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People need to have a look at this, it's unbelievable. Sailed at Pookipa last night, and there's a new marker (the right hand X circled below) that is 200m directly off the beach South of the outlet.

My take on the effect of this is (at one of the most popular windsurfing spots in the bay):
1. No ability to sail downwind to get the ramps in front of the poo pipe. You basically can't sail in front of it with these regs - say goodbye to KOTB
2. No ability to sail from Pookipa at all if the wind is South West, unless you're prepared to do about 10 tacks to get the 200m off the beach
3. If the wind drops, or you're underpowered, no ability to get back into your launching point
4. Creation of a swimming only zone where the poo pipe dumps into the bay!

So they've buggered a great sailing spot, to give swimmers the unencumbered right to swim in ****.

I know a few people are already saying, "this is stupid, just ignore it" but last night, there were already people swimming between the two yellow X's - right through the regular sailing path off the beach. I reckon it's only a matter of time before there's an incident.

WV, what can we do to get this changed??


TristanF
VIC, 230 posts
8 Feb 2014 10:13AM
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You've really got to read this document to realise how absurd some of it is. See this definition:

"Shared Wind Sport Area – this zone provides an area for
kite boarding, sail boarding and other wind based boating
activities which may exceed 5 knots except within 50m
proximity to other vessels and swimmers. Other vessels are
permitted in this area."

So if you're within 50m of another kiter or windsurfer, no plaining!

SpaceCoyote
VIC, 147 posts
8 Feb 2014 10:57AM
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ParksVic haven't put any thought into these zones at all. I regularly kite at Hampton and the entire main beach is now a "swimming only" zone. Windsports area is now to the north between 2 rock groins. Clearly whoever has come up with these zones does not do any wind sports. It's an absolute joke. The area between the rock groins can be a handful for beginners (because of the swell) and will get very crowded. On top of it in a SW when the wind is cross on there is only one line out to clear the rocks and with everyone in there I am sure it will lead to few incidents.

Having said that I was out at Hampton yesterday and everyone was still going from the main beach without any drama. There were few windsurfers and few of us kiting.

WindRider
QLD, 837 posts
8 Feb 2014 11:28AM
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ian0703 said..

Looks like Pookipa and Point Ormond are limited to 5 knots within 200m of the beach. That's going to be a challenge for local sailors and King of the Bay pilots.


Please note this rule has been in place at most beaches (outside no boating zones areas) for many, many years. The new zones are like the kiting zone at StKilda and will be put in place to help with safety. If you abide by the very long running rules at the other beaches then you can sail.



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