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Created by nobbie > 9 months ago, 14 Dec 2008
gazza
WA, 647 posts
9 Jan 2009 12:32PM
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WindWarrior said...

Mobile Church anyone ?






Thats the only Church that could get me up early on sunday

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
9 Jan 2009 1:40PM
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Behold the word of Elmo -

elmo said...

Here's a challenge for all those arguing

For the Believers in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god exists

For those who do not believe in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god does not exist

This proof must be backed up by hard and fast physical evidence (no theories or hearsay) proving for once and for all that God does or does not exist.




To make it easy on you all I'll give you the answer now

Neither side can prove beyond a doubt that God does or does not exist.


So what we have in reality is conflicting BELIEFS in either the existence or non existence of God.

Nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

We only have our perception in what is the right or wrong belief.


Here is a thought to ponder on realities.

What is reality?
My reality is my perception of the world.
Your reality is your perception of the world
Your reality is different to mine.
If my reality is different to your reality
Which is the right and which is wrong reality?
To the schizophrenic who hears the voices in their head, those voices are real yet we can't hear them.
Who is to say that you are not all a part of my twisted imagination or I part of yours.



I'm not one to begrudge a fellow human a comforting delusion. If you insist you are Napoleon I might go so far as to salute you, but if you were to invade Russia then I would probably regret not having been a little more forthright in dissuading you.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 2:50PM
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elmo said...

Here's a challenge for all those arguing

For the Believers in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god exists

For those who do not believe in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god does not exist




Good work Elmo, except we don't need to prove God doesn't exist; (you can't even prove that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist!) - we just need to prove that there's no compelling reason to think he does exist.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 2:55PM
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Greenroom said...
John 15:26




What's this, you're quoting the Bible in an argument about the existence of God?

Getting ahead of ourselves, aren't we?


BTW even if God exists, you have a LONG way to go before you can assume the Bible was written, or directly inspired by Him...that's an even bigger leap of "faith" than believing He exists in the first place; and if your belief in God is based on what you read in the Bible, you are basically running around in circles without your feet ever touching the ground...

Susie
SA, 837 posts
9 Jan 2009 3:55PM
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NotWal said...

Susie said...

hmmm "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day"according to that same book. Could it be that a creative DAY is a longer time period than ours?


Yep - time dilation. It's all explained in the Theory of Relativity. If you move very fast time slows down... umm for you, not a slow moving observer. So if the labeller that called it a "day" was hiking along at close to the speed of light he could have seen God's millions of years of handiwork happen in a day.

Gravity has a similar effect but it has to be absolutely massively massive. So for the fun of it let's hypothesise about the conditions just after the Big Bang.

What do you know - enormous amounts of matter synthesising out of energy (presumably). So dense that for the first 300,000 years it's just a chaotic plasma like the inside of the sun but a tad hotter, a nuclear explosion that lasts for 300,000 years. If you were there that 300,000 years would have been quite a bit shorter because under the influence of an absolutely staggering amount of mass time would have slowed down so your experience would have sped up. Voila - 100,000 years in a day .... ummm maybe

Don't quote me. I really don't understand this stuff. Just typing in tongues


Ha ha. funny... Sorry I'm quoting you in agreement.
After a bit of research....light from the Andromeda nebula can be seen on a clear night in the northern hemisphere. It takes about 2,000,000 years for that light to reach the earth, indicating that the universe must be at least millions of years old. End products of radioactive decay in rocks in the earth testify that some rock formations have been undisturbed for billions of years. So Genesis isnt discussing the original creation of matter or the stars/planets. Just the preparation of the already existing earth for human habiitation i.e vegetation, animals etc. All this is said to have been done within a period of six days. However, the Hebrew word translated "day" has a variety of meanings, including 'a long time; the time covering an extraordinary event' Therefore each "day" could have been thousands of years in length.

If there is no superior designer, then man is in big trouble with our planet.
..
Here is an interesting quote from Werner von Braun, who had a lot to do with sending American astronauts to the moon (thats supposing you believe they actually got there...on no, shut my mouth, there's enough tree shaking going on) anyway he said "The natural laws of the universe are so precise that we have no difficulty building a spaceship to fly to the moon and can time the flight with the precision of a fraction of a second. These laws must have been set by somebody"

And on the 8th Day God created wind. And it came to be. And it was very very good. And everyone grabbed their boards and went......windsurfing

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
9 Jan 2009 3:42PM
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I bet he (God) doesn't want to take the credit for creating Kiteboarders though.

[just thought some light relief would come in handy]

Leech
WA, 1933 posts
9 Jan 2009 3:50PM
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Absolutely right, elmo!

This is the only reason I got involved with this topic: to point out there is more than one side to every story, and different ways of looking at the same problems we all face, as humans.

As I said in one of my first posts, we've all got free choice in this country: each can make up his/her own mind.

peace.

elmo said...

Here's a challenge for all those arguing

For the Believers in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god exists

For those who do not believe in God
Prove beyond a doubt that god does not exist

This proof must be backed up by hard and fast physical evidence (no theories or hearsay) proving for once and for all that God does or does not exist.




To make it easy on you all I'll give you the answer now

Neither side can prove beyond a doubt that God does or does not exist.


So what we have in reality is conflicting BELIEFS in either the existence or non existence of God.

Nobody is right, nobody is wrong.

We only have our perception in what is the right or wrong belief.




and i don't think that science and religion are mutually exclusive.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 5:59PM
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Susie said...
Here is an interesting quote from Werner von Braun, who had a lot to do with sending American astronauts to the moon ...

... he said "The natural laws of the universe are so precise that we have no difficulty building a spaceship to fly to the moon and can time the flight with the precision of a fraction of a second. These laws must have been set by somebody"



That doesn't follow at all. These laws might have been set by somebody. Or they might have always been. Talking about natural laws is a whole different ballgame from talking about living things and all the physical things in the universe.

Perhaps it just so happens that E has always equaled MC2, light has always traveled at a certain speed, and so on. The existence of natural laws is not evidence to support the existence of God.

Nice try, though, Suzie. Keep at it!


Susie
SA, 837 posts
9 Jan 2009 5:40PM
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Wet Willy said...


Nice try, though, Suzie. Keep at it!





I'm not sure that would be the popular choice ww.

Laurie you should move this thread to the general section so scotty can peruse the wavesailing forum in peace.

I think any debate that provokes discussion and thought is a positive one. But its nothing to do with wavesailing.

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
9 Jan 2009 4:42PM
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Wet Willy said...

Greenroom said...
John 15:26




What's this, you're quoting the Bible in an argument about the existence of God?

Getting ahead of ourselves, aren't we?


BTW even if God exists, you have a LONG way to go before you can assume the Bible was written, or directly inspired by Him...that's an even bigger leap of "faith" than believing He exists in the first place; and if your belief in God is based on what you read in the Bible, you are basically running around in circles without your feet ever touching the ground...

Thats your opinion Wet Pen1s, and this is mine...
Like I posted before...



Just like you feel the presence of the wind and know its there, I feel the presence of God and know he is there.

Galatians 5:22-23


Leech
WA, 1933 posts
9 Jan 2009 6:14PM
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Ok I was gonna leave it alone, but since you asked

Wet Willy said...
What do you think?



Leech said...

The problem with science is that it can only deal with what can be seen, tasted, touched, heard or smelt.
Wet Willy said...
For the other stuff, we have philosophy and mathematics.


Cool, but phillosphy doesn't give answers, it gives questions.
And mathematics.... well if mathematics answered the questions, you'd already have answers for the three below, right?

Leech said...
If science was able to provide all the answers I'd be a Scienctian but unfortunately science is limited.

If you seek God you will find him. But seek him humbly, God doesn't tolerate arrogance.


Wet Willy said...
Now HOW the HELL could you possibly know that?




It's in the Big Book

***
Wet Willy said...
Here are 3 questions for you:

1) Where does the universe come from (or "how did it get here")?

Genesis 1:1 (first sentence in the Bible) "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

2) Does God really exist?

Well He must if he created the heavens and earth, right?

but seriously, I have experienced his presence, his power and his love so I have no doubt that he exists. The only "proof" I can offer is in this promise: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7

That sounds like something you can test.


3) What happens to us after we die?


I believe that our spirits go to judgement, our lives are judged and we all deserve to die because everyone is corrupt, the only chance we have is that Jesus sacrificed his life to pay the penalty for us, he was able to pay the penalty because he is the Son of God and was without sin. These are claims he made about himself ("Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."John 14:6-7) , they were confirmed by God through miracles and his resurrection. These claims were the reason he was arrested and condemned to death (Jesus life is documented in a number of historical sources other than the new testament). So if we put our trust into Jesus being able to save us from judgement, God judges Jesus instead of us and sees his perfection instead of our corruption. perfection deserves eternal life.

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."


So that's what I think. I know that talking about religious stuff is offensive to some people so to those, I apologise. But Willy asked what I think, and I thought he deserved to be answered?


What do you think?

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
9 Jan 2009 7:15PM
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good news, i found him and he takes double A batteries!

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 8:50PM
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Greenroom said...

Wet Willy said...

Greenroom said...
John 15:26




What's this, you're quoting the Bible in an argument about the existence of God?

Getting ahead of ourselves, aren't we?


BTW even if God exists, you have a LONG way to go before you can assume the Bible was written, or directly inspired by Him...that's an even bigger leap of "faith" than believing He exists in the first place; and if your belief in God is based on what you read in the Bible, you are basically running around in circles without your feet ever touching the ground...

Thats your opinion Wet Pen1s, and this is mine...
...



No it's not my opinion, Greenroom. It's just logical. As I said, "Even if God exists, you have a LONG way to go before you can assume the Bible was written, or directly inspired by Him" - that's the truth, like it or not. Even if you can somehow come up with enough of a reason to believe He exists, you can't automatically credit the Bible as being His word. It's a BIG assumption to make.

Some people even START by reading the Bible, automatically assume it's true, then believe in God as a result...balancing one off the other when neither has any solid ground to stand on. And even if they did, these people don't even think about it, they just jump in and believe blindly.







That toilet paper gimmick again; it just shows you have no substance to offer, just opinion and attitude.


Just like you feel the presence of the wind and know its there, I feel the presence of God and know he is there.

Galatians 5:22-23



You don't bl@@dy know it, you silly bugger, you just believe it. You get a warm fuzzy feeling and assume it's God. Nobody really knows, I thought we'd gotten that part straight at least! You like going in circles, eh?

Wind, God - No Same Same! kapeesh? Diff-rent! Difffff-Reeent! Unless you have a "God meter" or they're showing satellite photos of God on the weather tonight.


BTW calling me "Wet Pen1s" is going to send this thread in a direction where Laurie will be tempted to lock it...please let's refrain from insulting each other, ok?

It's a debate, an interesting one, where thought and logic, not emotion and blind belief, are the order of the day. If you can't hack the pace, just hang back and watch, sonny!

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 8:58PM
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Leech said...

Ok I was gonna leave it alone, but since you asked

Wet Willy said...
What do you think?



Leech said...

The problem with science is that it can only deal with what can be seen, tasted, touched, heard or smelt.
Wet Willy said...
For the other stuff, we have philosophy and mathematics.


Cool, but phillosphy doesn't give answers, it gives questions.



Actually, philosophy also gives us a useful framework for thinking about and discussing questions. It's like science, any old crap won't fly, it will be cut to pieces by logic.


And mathematics.... well if mathematics answered the questions, you'd already have answers for the three below, right?

Leech said...
If science was able to provide all the answers I'd be a Scienctian but unfortunately science is limited.

If you seek God you will find him. But seek him humbly, God doesn't tolerate arrogance.


Wet Willy said...
Now HOW the HELL could you possibly know that?




It's in the Big Book



IF you try to use the contents of the Bible in a debate about the existence of God, you are putting the cart before the horse; can't you see that? Even if God exists, the validity of the Bible as His word is a whole other story.



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Wet Willy said...
Here are 3 questions for you:

1) Where does the universe come from (or "how did it get here")?

Genesis 1:1 (first sentence in the Bible) "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

2) Does God really exist?

Well He must if he created the heavens and earth, right?

but seriously, I have experienced his presence, his power and his love so I have no doubt that he exists. The only "proof" I can offer is in this promise: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7

That sounds like something you can test.


3) What happens to us after we die?


I believe that our spirits go to judgement, our lives are judged and we all deserve to die because everyone is corrupt, the only chance we have is that Jesus sacrificed his life to pay the penalty for us, he was able to pay the penalty because he is the Son of God and was without sin. These are claims he made about himself ("Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."John 14:6-7) , they were confirmed by God through miracles and his resurrection. These claims were the reason he was arrested and condemned to death (Jesus life is documented in a number of historical sources other than the new testament). So if we put our trust into Jesus being able to save us from judgement, God judges Jesus instead of us and sees his perfection instead of our corruption. perfection deserves eternal life.

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."


So that's what I think. I know that talking about religious stuff is offensive to some people so to those, I apologise. But Willy asked what I think, and I thought he deserved to be answered?


What do you think?


Yada yada yada, can we cut out all the bible quotes please?

One more time: IF God exists, maybe the Bible is His word, and maybe not. IF He DOESN'T exist, then the Bible obviously isn't His word! Either way, using the Bible to support His existence doesn't work!!

Do you have any beliefs NOT taken from the Bible? They might be more useful here.

WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:04PM
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Yada yada yada, can we cut out all the bible quotes please?


Even better can we CUT OUT this entire thread

elmo
WA, 8765 posts
9 Jan 2009 8:16PM
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Ancient Near East
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The history of religion refers to the written record of human religious experiences and ideas. This period of religious history typically begins with the invention of writing about 5,000 years ago(3,000 BCE) in the Near East. The prehistory of religion relates to the study of religious beliefs that existed prior to the advent of written records. The timeline of religion is a comparative chronology religion.
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* 1 History of study
* 2 Overview
* 3 Origin
* 4 Organized religion
o 4.1 Neolithic religions
o 4.2 Invention of writing
* 5 The "Axial Age"
* 6 Middle Ages
* 7 Modern period
* 8 Development of new religions
* 9 See also
o 9.1 Shamanism and ancestor worship
o 9.2 Polytheism
o 9.3 Monotheism
o 9.4 Monism
o 9.5 Dualism
o 9.6 New religious movements
* 10 References
* 11 External links

[edit] History of study

Religionsgeschichtliche Schule, school of religious history was a 19th century German school of thought which was the first to systematically study religion as a socio-cultural phenomenon. It depicted religion as evolving with human culture, from primitive polytheism to ethical monotheism.

Religiongeschichteschule appeared at a time when scholarly study of the Bible and church history was flourishing in Germany and elsewhere (see Higher criticism, Historical-critical method).

[edit] Overview

The nineteenth century saw a dramatic increase in knowledge about other cultures and religions, and also the establishment of economic and social histories of progress. The "history of religions" school sought to account for this religious diversity by connecting it with the social and economic situation of a particular group.

Typically religions are divided into stages of progression from more simple to more complex societies, especially from polytheistic to monotheistic and from extempore to organised. (There are now claims "that religion evolved from polytheism to monotheism has now been discredited" p. 1763 Man, Myth and Magic 1995)

Thus, the starting point is the tribal band whose religion is animistic and involves shamans and totems. Since the group is tribal, there is no permanent sanctuary. Cultic rites centre on identification with wild animals and appeasing spirits, often of the hunted.

As society developed into chiefdoms and small kingdoms, religious rites began to serve different functions. Agriculture became important and so fertility gods were introduced (often female, as it is the woman who has the power to produce life). The status of the "big man" (or chief) was supported with mythic tales of heroes and demigods, from whom he may be descended.

When these small kingdoms merged into larger groups (often through conquest), different cults merged. The conquest of one group by another is therefore recorded in an epic tale of the conquest of the conquered group's god by the victor's (e.g. some Hinduism and the Babylonian Marduk). Another solution was to syncretise different religious traditions, for example, the Romans' identification of their Gods with the Greeks and the Greeks' adoption of Anatolian myths and characters.

Finally, the growth of the city state brought about progression to the most "civilised" level of religion, ethical monotheism. Students of the history of religions often learnt that this began in Egypt with Akhnaten and grew through 7th century BC Judaism, Persian Zoroastrianism and Greek Philosophy to endow Western society with the most progressive form of religion. The historical basis of this - that religion moved from polytheism to ethical monotheism - is now doubted.

Nevertheless, it is still widely held that ethical monotheism (e.g. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, some forms of Hinduism and Buddhism) was encouraged by the growth of city states. This was partly due to the role of a hierarchical society with a god-like absolute ruler. A more powerful social force was the isolation of the individual as he moved from the clan to a more cosmopolitan lifestyle. Questions of justice and value that had been previously answered by the family and small tribe were now to be pursued independently. The relative anonymity of the city afforded the opportunity for not only "sin" but also loneliness. Ethical monotheism answered society's need for a moral guide and motivation, whilst a unique personal God who was sovereign over all areas of life answered people's feelings of isolation and powerlessness.

Good examples of this are the prophetic literature of the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament), especially Isaiah, and the wisdom literature of the ancient near east dealing with apparently unjustified suffering. This includes Job, in the Judaeo-Christian Bible, and "The Dialogue of Pessimism", a Babylonian text.

[edit] Origin

See also: Evolutionary origin of religions and Timeline of religion

The earliest evidence of religious ideas dates back several hundred thousand years to the Middle and Lower Paleolithic periods. Archeologists refer to apparent intentional burials of early homo sapiens from as early as 300,000 years ago as evidence of religious ideas. Other evidence of religious ideas include symbolic artifacts from Middle Stone Age sites in Africa. However, the interpretation of early paleolithic artifacts, with regards to how they relate to religious ideas, remains controversial. Archeological evidence from more recent periods is less controversial. A number of artifacts from the Upper Paleolithic (50,000-13,000) are generally interpreted by scientists as representing religious ideas. Examples of Upper Paleolithic remains associated with religious beliefs include the lion man, the Venus figurines, cave paintings from Chauvet Cave and the elaborate ritual burial from Sungir.

[edit] Organized religion

See also: Neolithic revolution

Through the bulk of human evolution, humans lived in small nomadic bands practicing a hunter gatherer lifestyle. The religious practices of hunter gatherers revolve around shamanism, ancestor worship and animism. The emergence of complex and organized religions can be traced to the period when humans abandoned their nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyles in order to begin farming during the Neolithic period. Humans began domesticating crops and animals around 10,000 BCE chiefly in the Near East but independently in a number of locations around the world. The invention of agriculture during the Neolithic revolution was a major event in human history. The increased productivity provided by farming and the relative security of food surpluses allowed these communities to expand. Crop production led to the emergence of the first villages, chiefdoms, states, nations and empires. The societies born out of the neolithic revolution were characterized by high population densities, complex labor diversification, trading economies, centralized administrations and political structures, hiearchical ideologies and depersonalized systems of knowledge.

The transition from foraging bands to states and empires resulted in more specialized and developed forms of religion that were reflections of the new social and political environments. While bands and small tribes possess supernatural beliefs, these beliefs are adapted to smaller populations. Organized religion emerged as a means of providing social and economic stability to large populations through the following ways:

* Organized religion served to Justify the central authority, which in turn possessed the right to collect taxes in return for providing social and security services to the state. The empires of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, were theocracies with chiefs, kings and emperors playing dual roles of political and spiritual leaders.[1] Virtually all state societies and chiefdoms around the world have similar political structures where political authority is justified by divine sanction.

* Organized religion emerged as means of maintaining peace between unrelated individuals. Bands and tribes consist of small number of related individuals. However states and nations are composed of thousands or millions of unrelated individuals. Jared Diamond argues that organized religion served to provide a bond between unrelated individuals who would otherwise be more prone to enmity. He argues that the leading cause of death among hunter gatherer societies is murder. [2]

[edit] Neolithic religions

The religions of the Neolithic peoples provide evidence of some of the earliest known forms of organized religions. The Neolithic settlement of Catalhoyuk, in what is now Turkey, was home to about 8,000 people and remains the largest known settlement from the Neolithic period. James Mellaart, who excavated the site, believed that Catalhoyuk was the spiritual center of central Anatolia.[3]

[edit] Invention of writing

See also: History of writing

Following the neolithic revolution, the pace of technological development intensified. As human society became more complex, more sophisticated accounting systems became necessary. Writing was invented in either Sumeria or Ancient Egypt by 3000 BCE as a means of recording accounting transactions. Subsequently writing would be used to record myth. The first religious texts mark the beginning of religious history. The Pyramid Texts from ancient Egypt are one of the oldest known religious texts in the world dating to between 2400-2300 BCE.[4][5] Writing played a major role in sustaining organized religion by standardizing religious ideas regardless of time or location.

[edit] The "Axial Age"

Main article: Axial Age

Karl Jaspers, in his Vom Ursprung und Ziel der Geschichte (The Origin and Goal of History), identified a number of key Axial Age thinkers as having had a profound influence on future philosophy and religion, and identified characteristics common to each area from which those thinkers emerged. Jaspers saw in these developments in religion and philosophy a striking parallel without any obvious direct transmission of ideas from one region to the other, having found very little recorded proof of extensive inter-communication between the ancient Near East, Greece, India and China. Jaspers held up this age as unique, and one which to compare the rest of the history of human thought to. Jaspers' approach to the culture of the middle of the first millennium BCE has been adopted by other scholars and academics, and has become a point of discussion in the history of religion.

In its later part, the "Axial Age" culminated in the development of monism and monotheism, notably of Platonic realism and Neoplatonism in Hellenistic philosophy, the notion of atman in Vedanta Hindu philosophy, and the notion of Tao in Taoism.

[edit] Middle Ages

Newer present-day world religions established themselves throughout Eurasia during the Middle Ages by: Christianization of the Western world; Buddhist missions to East Asia; the decline of Buddhism in the Indian subcontinent; and the spread of Islam throughout the Middle East, Central Asia, North Africa and parts of Europe and India.

During the Middle Ages, Muslims were in conflict with Zoroastrians during the Islamic conquest of Persia; Christians were in conflict with Muslims during the Byzantine-Arab Wars, Crusades, Reconquista and Ottoman wars in Europe; Christians were in conflict with Jews during the Crusades, Reconquista and Inquisition; Shamans were in conflict with Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims and Christians during the Mongol invasions; and Muslims were in conflict with Hindus and Sikhs during Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent.

Many medieval religious movements emphasized mysticism, such as the Cathars and related movements in the West, the Bhakti movement in India and Sufism in Islam. Monotheism reached definite forms in Christian Christology and in Islamic Tawhid. Hindu monotheist notions of Brahman likewise reached their classical form with the teaching of Adi Shankara.

[edit] Modern period

European colonisation during the 15th to 19th centuries resulted in the spread of Christianity to Sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas, Australia and the Philippines. The 18th century saw the beginning of secularisation in Europe, rising to notability in the wake of the French Revolution.

In the 20th century, the regimes of Communist Eastern Europe and Communist China were explicitly anti-religious. A great variety of new religious movements originated in the 20th century, many proposing syncretism of elements of established religions. Adherence to such new movements is limited, however, remaining below 2% worldwide in the 2000s. Adherents of the classical world religions account for more than 75% of the world's population, while adherence to indigenous tribal religions has fallen to 4%. As of 2005, an estimated 14% of the world's population identifies as nonreligious.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_religion

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:16PM
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WindWarrior said...

Yada yada yada, can we cut out all the bible quotes please?


Even better can we CUT OUT this entire thread


Come on, as long as we keep it civil, there's no reason why it shouldn't go on. People are obviously interested in discussing it.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:19PM
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Nice one Elmo, let's hope nobody quotes you or Laurie's server will probably get overloaded and crash

elmo
WA, 8765 posts
9 Jan 2009 8:19PM
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Time lines on history of religions and their expansions and subsequent wars
www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html

elmo
WA, 8765 posts
9 Jan 2009 8:23PM
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religions of the world
Major Religions of the World


from www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

also

www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html

Susie
SA, 837 posts
9 Jan 2009 9:57PM
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Wet Willy said...
3) What happens to us after we die?

What do you think?



Again, Laurie please move this thread to the General section.

"For the living are conscious that they will die, but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all. neither do they anymore have wages for the rememberance of them has been forgotten, also their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite uin anything that has to be done under the sun"

In other words, the opposite of life = death. Non existance. Non thought. Non windsurfing. NOT GOOD.

Yes from the book you said not to quote. Not what Christianity preaches, I know.
But what the book says.

About no. 3.

OK now I'm gonna duck and run for cover. (a live dog is better off than a dead lion) from the same book.

LAURIE CAN YOU HEAR ME.....MOVE THIS THREAD.

BTW Elmo you just fried my brains, can't you use the KISS method.?

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:01PM
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i've also found what he eats!

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:09PM
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Move it if you feel the need by all means but PLEASE don't lock it.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:14PM
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elmo said...

religions of the world
Major Religions of the World


from www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

also

www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html


I reckon that's a pretty dubious pie Elmo. Half those Christians are just going along to avoid nagging.

Susie
SA, 837 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:51PM
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NotWal said...

Move it if you feel the need by all means but PLEASE don't lock it.

yes I agree
But out of respect for our wave sailing guys/gals, it should be moved.
I LIKE SCOTTY. And wave sailing is sacred.
Cos it may end up rivalling the never ending thread. Only make more sense. Or not. Or whatever. I don't know about you guys, but my brain likes stimulating. Or the 1 per cent of it that I use. So I wonder what the other 99 per cent of our brains is for?
Anyway NOBBIE you have a lot to answer for. You STARTED this!!!!

elmo
WA, 8765 posts
9 Jan 2009 9:27PM
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Susie said...


Again, Laurie please move this thread to the General section.

{Edit}

LAURIE CAN YOU HEAR ME.....MOVE THIS THREAD.

BTW Elmo you just fried my brains, can't you use the KISS method.?



No!!!!!!!!
this is the reason why the Wave sailing forum exists for such crap as this thread


I can't believe (well yes I can) that this all started because a certain brand of windsurfing board has "Jesus loves you" on it.
So farken what, Big deal, if you don't like it, don't buy it.


If you do or don't believe in God, So farken what, that is your personal choice, (maybe)not mine.


Life's to short peoples, get on with living it

ps Suzie

I haven't started frying brains yet.

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Susie
SA, 837 posts
9 Jan 2009 11:05PM
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Elmo, Elmo. .... And I thought you were so cute and cuddly.....btw how long did THAT TAKE you????

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:39PM
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but this thread is smokin!

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
9 Jan 2009 10:43PM
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NotWal said...

Move it if you feel the need by all means but PLEASE don't lock it.


Please don't lock it because then Greenleader won't be able to post....

Very amusing GL

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
9 Jan 2009 9:48PM
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Susie said...

Elmo, Elmo. .... And I thought you were so cute and cuddly.....btw how long did THAT TAKE you????


Knowing the big red cuddly bugger, seconds I reckon
Elmo LOC on the cards tomorrow,? or did last year cure you for ever



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