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Forums > Windsurfing General

NP or Tushingham sails on Ezzy RD mast?

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Created by GazMan > 9 months ago, 10 Sep 2009
GazMan
WA, 847 posts
10 Sep 2009 1:47AM
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Has anyone had any success (or failures!) rigging/sailing NP or Tushingham sails on an Ezzy Hookipa RD mast? (specifically NP Combat & Tushingham Lightning).

DavMen
NSW, 1500 posts
10 Sep 2009 9:21AM
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This is a reply I got from David Ezzy when I asked him a similar question.


From: "David Ezzy" <david@XXXXXezzy.com>
To: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Tim with Groundswell'" <ezzy@gorge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:35 AM
Subject: RE: Mast for 5.0 2006 SE


> Hi David,
>
> Your 430 Pryde mast will work great with the the 5.0.
>
> Please feel free to email me anytime with questions or problems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David


So I suppose visa versa (ezzy mast/NP Sail) would be OK too as long as it's not a camed sail.

If you use mix'n'match your ezzy masts eg: 400 btm/430 top you will stiffen the mast considerably this would not be good for NP sails.

I cant asnwer for the tusshy's

GazMan
WA, 847 posts
10 Sep 2009 8:48AM
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I received a very prompt and thorough response from David Ezzy this morning complete with IMCS specs for their 400 & 430 masts.

Here's our email conversation (minus full specs which wouldn't copy over):

Q1. I'm considering purchasing at least one Ezzy Hookipa RD mast and would like to know what the IMCS bend curve rating is for the 400cm and 430cm masts.

A1. Our bend curve is a standard constant curve.

All masts made these days are classified constant curve, however, there are two schools of curves out there. Gaastra, Maui Sails and Severne are stiffer tipped. North, Pryde, Tush are bit more flex top. Our mast is in between and fits most sails.

Q2. Also, would the bend curve rating change a if I used a different top or bottom section?

For example:
Q2a. 400cm bottom section paired with 430cm top section


A2a. Our masts are designed to be mixed and matched with different lengths tops and bottoms. We sell each piece separately. Generally, I suggest going with a shorter bottom and a longer top. The 400 bottom/430 top is recommended for our 5.2 sail. The shorter bottom gives a bit more bend in the middle of the sail, which changes the bend slightly away from a "flex top" curve, but still is within the acceptable tolerance. If you go 370 bottom and 430 top, that would be much softer in the bottom and would throw the numbers more into the "stiff top" realm.

Q2b. Or
400cm top section paired with 430cm bottom section


A2b. The 430 butt with the 400 tip will put the curve more flex top, since the 430 butt is stiffer and will bend less in the lower section of the sail.

Comment: The reason I'm asking is because I have three different brands of sails in my quiver and two of these sails (Neil Pryde Combat 4.4 & Tushingham Lightning 6.0) are designed for a mast with a 'flex-top' bend curve (of approx 16).

Our masts will fit your pryde perfectly. I am not the familiar with the Tushingham.


swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
10 Sep 2009 11:03AM
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Gotta be impressed by the way Ezzy field questions. I think the only other brand you would be able to get a response like that is maybe hotsails maui and mauisails.

Random Q and a bit off topic, but is ezzy no longer a "value" brand? I'm shopping around for new sails at the moment and the ezzy's no longer seem to have that $200+ price advantage on the NP/North/Gaastra sails they used to enjoy.

Mark _australia
WA, 22897 posts
10 Sep 2009 9:39AM
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I find that the 2002 - 2005 ish Pryde wavesails set acceptably on my Ezzy RDM's.

However the newer sails, particularly the 2008 - 9 set atrociously.

The mast is too stiff at the top (well, no, the Ezzy mast is 'normal' and neilpryde masts are very floppy top). The result is the sail twists a LOT in the mid leech and the top batten does not twist at all. It has to be seen to be believed.

I set a 2005 4.7 Zone on an Ezzy and it is sweet. A 2008 Zone is literally unuseable.

I suggest caution and rig before you buy

GazMan
WA, 847 posts
10 Sep 2009 6:07PM
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Mark _australia said...

I find that the 2002 - 2005 ish Pryde wavesails set acceptably on my Ezzy RDM's.

However the newer sails, particularly the 2008 - 9 set atrociously.

The mast is too stiff at the top (well, no, the Ezzy mast is 'normal' and neilpryde masts are very floppy top). The result is the sail twists a LOT in the mid leech and the top batten does not twist at all. It has to be seen to be believed.

I set a 2005 4.7 Zone on an Ezzy and it is sweet. A 2008 Zone is literally unuseable.

I suggest caution and rig before you buy


Thanks for the great feedback Mark, though I'll reply to your comments re common sail brand quiver in other topic!

My 4.4 Combat is an 05 model so compatibility with Ezzy mast shouldn't be a problem, though I'm assuming you've been rigging your 05 4.7 Zone on an Ezzy Hookipa 400cm RDM, is that right? I will more than likely purchase a complete Hookipa 430 RDM along with a Hookipa 400 RDM top. With my NP 4.4 (which has been fitted with an adjustable head), I will use the 430 bottom and the 400 top which Dave Ezzy indicates will make the mast combo slightly more flex-top (bit closer to NP bend curve). I've been doing the mix n' match thing with NP X6 masts for some years now and for the amount of times I use my smallest sail in a season (around 4-6 times), this setup will work well for me (only need 1.5 masts for 3 sail quiver!).

I'll be up in Perth in about a weeks time and plan to rig at least two of my sails on Ezzy masts before buying (Mark at Surf Sail Aust said that he would lend me an Ezzy mast to take out for a sail if I was keen!).

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
10 Sep 2009 9:11PM
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this thread and Ezzy's answers to those questions has explained ( in language that even i can understand) why my Pryde fly set so a terribly on a Gastra mast.

looked ok rigged on land but once on the water it was a disaster.
Just as mark said it twisted in the middle causing a shocking crease through the sail instead of laying off at the top in the gusts.

i can see now how important sail/mast compatibility is. can be rather expensive if you don't know your stuff.

DavMen
NSW, 1500 posts
11 Sep 2009 9:36AM
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I'll be up in Perth in about a weeks time and plan to rig at least two of my sails on Ezzy masts before buying (Mark at Surf Sail Aust said that he would lend me an Ezzy mast to take out for a sail if I was keen!).


Excellent - take particular notice on how the NP rigs with the mast combo your thinking (430B/400T). Ezzy Masts are already flex tip enough to take NP without softening them even more.
If you can get to test it on the water would be ideal - Thats great of Mark@SSA to offer you that.

GazMan
WA, 847 posts
11 Sep 2009 5:45PM
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Bit of a bummer, was really keyed up about getting Ezzy RDM masts to suit my 3 sail quiver until I talked to Paul at 2nd Wind. Apparently there aren't any RDM cams available for the Tushie Lightning (even though Tushingham UK told me I could obtain some through 2nd Wind for this sail!). He also didn't think the Lightning would work as well on an RD mast as it would on an SD mast (was designed around SDM specs).

Ahhh, decisions!!!

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
12 Sep 2009 12:14PM
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I rig a Tushingham Storm 6.25 on an Ezzy 430 RDM, it gives a 15-25 knot wind range.
People always comment how good the sail sets and looks when powered up.
The mast is a little bit stiff in the top but it doesn't seem to affect handling or performance.



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