Does anybody has input about this board? It looks like it's about to get the market in several places, but there aren't many pictures or details.
No feedback but they actually look really good and nice size range & litres. They have a patent , I wonder what they actually patented.
Interesting that most manufacturers seem to increase length to increase volume. Does someone light want a short board - not necessarily. What about a 7'6 for example in a range of width/volume bit like the 14' race Sup or 10' Longboard model.
Select to expand quotePiros said..
... They have a patent , I wonder what they actually patented.
I believe it's the Ginxu/step tail they've patented.
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Interesting that most manufacturers seem to increase length to increase volume. Does someone light want a short board - not necessarily. What about a 7'6 for example in a range of width/volume bit like the 14' race Sup or 10' Longboard model.
To maintain stability, at shorter lengths, you have to go wider - width kills the acceleration required to get on foil easily.
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No feedback but they actually look really good and nice size range & litres. They have a patent , I wonder what they actually patented.
A 2500usd board designed like a seaplane float, a patent to protect it (US No. 11,027,796, EU No. 22020001-8), since August 2022, Keith TEBOUL's Ginsu huge cut-out is being touted as a "revolution" in the world of wingfoil and surfoil.
So far "step bottom" didn't attract much buyers. Even on Maui I have seen only one person using it (and he was probably sponsored by KT).
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Interesting that most manufacturers seem to increase length to increase volume. Does someone light want a short board - not necessarily. What about a 7'6 for example in a range of width/volume bit like the 14' race Sup or 10' Longboard model.
I think makes more sense to reduce width for lighter riders. I wonder how would a narrower than 18" board would behave for a skilled paddler.
My opinion might be biased based on the fact I ride a KALAMA but I had the opportunity to ride one at Jeremy Riggs flat water Tuesday. I had identical foils on the barracuda and KT, I was able to paddle up both but I found the KT significantly harder than the barracuda. In Maui you just have to look at Ka'a on a small day and do a count on the most popular board on the water to get your answer
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My opinion might be biased based on the fact I ride a KALAMA but I had the opportunity to ride one at Jeremy Riggs flat water Tuesday. I had identical foils on the barracuda and KT, I was able to paddle up both but I found the KT significantly harder than the barracuda. In Maui you just have to look at Ka'a on a small day and do a count on the most popular board on the water to get your answer
Interesting information, which were their sizes?
Select to expand quotePacoo said..pohaku said..
My opinion might be biased based on the fact I ride a KALAMA but I had the opportunity to ride one at Jeremy Riggs flat water Tuesday. I had identical foils on the barracuda and KT, I was able to paddle up both but I found the KT significantly harder than the barracuda. In Maui you just have to look at Ka'a on a small day and do a count on the most popular board on the water to get your answer
Interesting information, which were their sizes?
Unsure as they were both Proto types but the barracuda was definitely less volume. The dimensions of the barracuda was 8' x 19 at roughly 102L
heres the pics from that day
They've got to give up on the step tail gimmick. On the Ginxu it was to improve feel for the foil by making the board thinner -- but these boards are 7" thick (maybe 6" above the tracks)! Maybe I'm wrong, but to my eye this is just adding a random hull feature that increases turbulence and drag on a board purpose built around the efficiency of the hull.
The production KT boards seem to have evolved from the earlier prototypes.
Long tracks should keep the Lift and Armie foilers happy. All the step bottom is doing is transitioning from rounded to flat so the foil can be mounted. Not really a revolution in design. The step looks tiny on the sups. I've Never seen a GinXu wing board in my part of the world and probably never will. I first saw Step bottoms on a foil board by Grey PaddleBoards back in 2018. So many great new boards means more happy foilers enjoying downwind!! Yew!!!!
That step is a structural nightmare when it comes to a rigid,strong box construction.
It puts a bend in the worst possible place,which needs extra reinforcement, so the end result is a heavier board.
The drag gains are probably there at speed touchdowns,but my guess is when coming onto foil the step creates as much drag as it reduces from mast plate,or more.
If it was any good everybody would be making their version, like the Barracuda concept.
Patenting that is more a marketing ploy imho.
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So far "step bottom" didn't attract much buyers. Even on Maui I have seen only one person using it (and he was probably sponsored by KT).
As a KT wing drifter owner (not Ginxu) I definitely agree with you. I've only seen team riders on these boards when in Maui and up at the Quatro factory there are many unsold Ginxu's there. The extra weight and price is a killer for me plus the wing drifter is such a great board I'm not sure why you would pay the extra premium for the Ginxu
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I had a stinger surfboard in the 70s. Similar concept. Mine snapped at the step.
Showing your age Hilly ??they played around with stepped boards for a while ,
never really took off ??
I took 1 for the team and pulled the trigger on the 7' 19" 100L production board. ETA late June. 
I tested the 7,4 for 2 days , works great I ca flat start an Armstrong HA1525. The board is quite stable and light. There is still room in the box to move forward.
Great board
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The New KT Dragonfly has arrived in Greece, and I just got my hands on the 7'7 model. Coming from a 6 x 27, the difference is simply night and day. I managed a flatwater takeoff on my first try with the Kujira 1440 and on my initial downwinder in super light conditions, the board exceeded my expectations. Here's a small video from that day. I'm looking forward to experiencing it in more favorable conditions. Literally, I am blown away by this board
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The New KT Dragonfly has arrived in Greece, and I just got my hands on the 7'7 model. Coming from a 6 x 27, the difference is simply night and day. I managed a flatwater takeoff on my first try with the Kujira 1440 and on my initial downwinder in super light conditions, the board exceeded my expectations. Here's a small video from that day. I'm looking forward to experiencing it in more favorable conditions. Literally, I am blown away by this board
@dk78 mind posting some more photos of the board itself? What were you riding prior? I've been eyeing the 7'7 as well.
Select to expand quotewanabxtrm said..dk78 said..
The New KT Dragonfly has arrived in Greece, and I just got my hands on the 7'7 model. Coming from a 6 x 27, the difference is simply night and day. I managed a flatwater takeoff on my first try with the Kujira 1440 and on my initial downwinder in super light conditions, the board exceeded my expectations. Here's a small video from that day. I'm looking forward to experiencing it in more favorable conditions. Literally, I am blown away by this board
@dk78 mind posting some more photos of the board itself? What were you riding prior? I've been eyeing the 7'7 as well.
My previous board was the Takuma 6 x 27.5 110L. Here some pics, last one side by side with the 8'1
Hi
Thanks for you reply . Do you think this board would still be ok for a rider around 88 kg with paddle experience? It looks real nice ??
Jimmy Lewis has been using step-tails & hull designs for a few years now on his production FlyingVM's and he's happy to say he got the inspiration from Seaplane's....see my review of my new 7'6" x 23" DW board from Jimmy.. I went thicker when I went shorter to give me glide..it worked a treat in light marginal conditions yesterday :)
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Hi
Thanks for you reply . Do you think this board would still be ok for a rider around 88 kg with paddle experience? It looks real nice ??
One of my friends, who weighs 87 kgs, got the 8'1 and he is super happy. It's not that much bigger than the 7'7, and he is very comfortable. I think you could go with the 7'7, but the 8'1 is also super nice.
Select to expand quotedk78 said..Zuidy said..
Hi
Thanks for you reply . Do you think this board would still be ok for a rider around 88 kg with paddle experience? It looks real nice ??
One of my friends, who weighs 87 kgs, got the 8'1 and he is super happy. It's not that much bigger than the 7'7, and he is very comfortable. I think you could go with the 7'7, but the 8'1 is also super nice.
Thanks for the feed back ??
That video is so good more like what I'm hoping to do with my DW board, stay in close ride the surf breaks on the way downwind, rather than long distance bump riding. Also how he got up prone in the bump, board looks small I wonder which size he is using? Hookipa to Mama's easy walk back no car shuffle logistics now I just need to find somewhere similar here.
