Best bang for buck mast?

Best bang mast is an aluminium mast...

Really happy with my Code HM Mast, I also had no issues on my Unifoil Katana but it was a tad draggy.Other mast I'd strongly consider is the NoLimitzV2

can see how 4k could produce a mast twice as good the armstrong mast which to me is still as good as it gets.

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Alysum said..
Best bang mast is an aluminium mast...

Ha! Indeed true. I forgot to include 'carbon' in the post. Who does a good alu mast that doesn't leak or have a doodad?

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paul.j said..
Weight is not really the big saving factor in going to UHM masts it is the stiffness that is the real winner.

Here is our UHM mast that is only $1500 Aussie and also comes with an Aussie-made cover that fits the fuse and tail wings plus free freight!! This mast fits on our ONE gear but is also compatible with any Axis fuses. So really a UHM mast that is cheaper than most HM masts.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/one-foils/hm-foil-mast

This is definitely far better than 4k. Anyone had any experience with these one masts?

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paul.j said..

stevet73 said..

Alysum said..
Best bang mast is an aluminium mast...

Ha! Indeed true. I forgot to include 'carbon' in the post. Who does a good alu mast that doesn't leak or have a doodad?

paul.j said..
Weight is not really the big saving factor in going to UHM masts it is the stiffness that is the real winner.

Here is our UHM mast that is only $1500 Aussie and also comes with an Aussie-made cover that fits the fuse and tail wings plus free freight!! This mast fits on our ONE gear but is also compatible with any Axis fuses. So really a UHM mast that is cheaper than most HM masts.
www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/one-foils/hm-foil-mast

This is definitely far better than 4k. Anyone had any experience with these one masts?

I will see if I can get a few of the guys I know who have one to do a review or jump on here if they have accounts and give their thoughts.

You have me very interested in your mast

It depends what your front wing is. When I was riding the 1210 the cedrus aluminum was GREAT! I owned both the carbon and aluminum for a bit and ended up gettting rid of the carbon one because I could barely tell the difference.

that being said I wouldn't want to ride that mast for a sub 1000 sq cm wing.

Stringy just released an axis to code adaptor. I think this makes the Axis HM or ONE mast pretty appealing and universal.

www.jimstringfellow.com/products/axis-mast-to-code-fuselage-adapter

Shoving that little piece of aluminum into a fully carbon setup is going to be a corrosion nightmare that is going to chew up the precision of that coder wing connection. At the end of the day that's why I left the Cedrus system. Either you leave the foil assembled and the adapters corrode inside the fittings or you disassemble, prematurely wearing your the carbon side of your connections.

I feel like the universal masts are a great way to try something new without fully committing but your going to ultimately be better off on the native system long term (for anything other than Takuma LOL!)

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Holoholo said..
That adaptor won't work w/ the HM, only works with the axis all mast, replaces the axis "doodad".

On his Insta pic about it he replies to a question asking whether it will work with the axis carbon masts - his answer is "yes". Looks like it fits on the outside of the doodad for Ali, not that it replaces the doodad. So would assume it just fits around the outside of the carbon mast as well. Could be wrong just my observation and what his comment says.

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baldy123 said..
Stringy just released an axis to code adaptor. I think this makes the Axis HM or ONE mast pretty appealing and universal.

www.jimstringfellow.com/products/axis-mast-to-code-fuselage-adapter

I ordered a couple a few days ago(before they were on the website) so should have one soon.
I just have to decided what Code foils to get.
The thing is the adaptor is another link in the chain so to speak and the Code guys have done such a good job with the design of the their set up that it probably deserves to kept all Code.
I spent so much on my HM Axis mast already though and it was a game changer with bigger foils.

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Youngbreezy said..
@ Paul J

the One carbon mast looks great. I would like to know if you have done any testing on it that you could show us? Can you offer any comparisons to the Axis high modulus mast or Ali mast? The One mast is 1.5mm thinner and its narrower at its minimum chord ( not sure how much exactly) so it should be faster/ more efficient than the Axis high mod. How does it compare in torsional and bending stiffness?
Also in your vid you mentioned the overall length of the setup from top of the base plate to the bottom of the fuse is 84cm. Is that the same/ longer/ shorter than the Axis 820mm mast?
Sorry for all the questions just quite interested in the mast and thought its better to ask on here so everyone can get the info. Definitely deserves its own thread.

Hey mate, no real numbers testing sorry just all by feel(old school and low budget). you can feel straight away its way stiffer than say the HM Axis mas just by giving it a wiggle on the beach when they are next to each other and the torsional flex is way way stiffer on the ONE mast. No numbers as I say but very obvious even by the feel.
From what I know the ONE mast is .5mm thinner than the new UHM axis mast but they have the dogleg so hard to say overall between these two masts and I have not seen one of their new mast so don't want to speculate. It is definitely thinner in all ways than the standard HM
I jump back on the 19mm Alloy mast from time to time just with all the wing testing we have been doing or if I swap someone while on the water and the Alloy mast feels ok but just a bit dull and I just seem to ride way slower on the alloy mast. When I jump back on the UHM mast everything for me just comes alive and it just makes you want to ride faster.
Length yes if measured like Axis measure it would be 84cm or I like to say 80cm of wetted surface area on my scale. We found this a good one-size mast for pretty much everything so a good one to release first.

We will do some real numbers testing once we get the rest of the foil set 100%(Fuse and tail wings) sorted and we can free up a little time after Xmas.

The other thing I will mention is the price as I get asked a lot why is it so much cheaper and it's simple, In Aus we now just deal mostly directly so we just put most of the extra margin back into the product and are able to reduce the costs at the retail side. Most guys when they have gone direct over the years usually just buy cheap and sell cheap and still try to make a good margin for us we are just trying something a bit different these days and trying to make the best product we can while keeping the sport as affordable as possible. If it works on our side and we get the numbers over time we can keep the prices low and hopefully give a good affordable high-end product. Really the UHM mast should be mid $2000's at least.

Always happy to answer any questions so feel free to ask away!

I think this is a hard question to answer, because everyone values different things and will therefore have a different answer. I wanted to clarify a few things on behalf of Cedrus since the video was shared. Yes it was the most expensive, but it was also the fastest and stiffest. We have worked very hard to make Cedrus not just universal, but actually higher performing than OEM masts.

If you are on a budget, and define "bang for the buck" in terms of $ spent/foiling obviously you cannot beat a good aluminum mast. A nice aluminum mast like Axis 19mm or the Cedrus aluminum are just as stiff as many expensive carbon masts, at 1/4 the cost. If being compatible, universal is valuable to you, then the Cedrus would be a better option than Axis, but it is more expensive. If you like Axis foils (we do!) then no need for a Cedrus. Simple.

If you value lower drag, or more stiffness, or ventilation resistance, then moving to carbon makes sense, at a high cost. But make sure you get a mast with good design that IS actually less draggy, and/or stiffer, less prone to ventilation. Don't just assume more $$ = better. A lot of these carbon masts with long chord lengths have a lot of drag, especially when ridden low in the water. They are also quite heavy, if that matters to you. I believe we have reached a point in the industry where masts should be discipline-specific. Just like you have high speed foils and low-speed, a mast can be optimized too. A high speed race mast is not going to be good in the surf. So make sure you understand what you are looking for in a mast. Is it speed? Glide? Stiffness? Weight? Those are all competing objectives, which is why we offer two different masts now.

As for corrosion, when cared for, Cedrus can last a lifetime. If you do live on the beach and like to leave your foil assembled on your porch, then mixing aluminum/carbon can promote corrosion. But as long as you remove the carbon fuselage from the mast/adapter when not in use, corrosion cannot occur with the mast. It's really simple. So if you drive to the beach with your foil dis-assembled, it's really no different from any other mast. We have less than 1% warranty rate over 7 years of production, and can easily repair masts. So if you value TIME, buying one mast over a 5 year period is a lot of value / "bang for the buck." Many of our Evolution Launch customers have been riding the Classic for 2-5 years now, while many others may have bought 3-5 masts in that timeframe.

In closing, I would also be very careful with 3rd party adapters that connect to masts via M6 hardware. We have been designing/making/supporting adapters since 2018. The only lost foils we've ever seen are those which couple to the fuselage with M6 hardware (projectcedrus.com/general/hardware/). We've never had any lost foils due to the adapter. The new Evolution masts use not only M8 hardware, but additional 10mm stainless pins to further manage the loads and provide a stiffer interface.