High volume boards

wait till ya get down to a 130 litre ,you will start to shred . 150 is still throw around ,

I know you're specifically talking SUPs, and while never designed as a SUP, I understand it was one of the go-to boards at the dawn of SUP - but I can't believe how much fun my 12' Munoz Super Glide is.... as a prone longboard. Surprisingly agile off the tail with the right fins. In fact, I have the collection of the Munoz 'glides' (9'3", 10'6", 11' and 12' - where only the 11' is not the old school tuflite), and they're all a ball. Indeed, despite the fact that I rarely pull it out these days, if I could only keep one board out of my quiver that's far more extensive than my skill, it'd be the 12' Munoz.
But this is the SUP forum and you're talking SUPs, so I'll shut up now.

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damned67 said..
I know you're specifically talking SUPs, and while never designed as a SUP, I understand it was one of the go-to boards at the dawn of SUP - but I can't believe how much fun my 12' Munoz Super Glide is.... as a prone longboard. Surprisingly agile off the tail with the right fins. In fact, I have the collection of the Munoz 'glides' (9'3", 10'6", 11' and 12' - where only the 11' is not the old school tuflite), and they're all a ball. Indeed, despite the fact that I rarely pull it out these days, if I could only keep one board out of my quiver that's far more extensive than my skill, it'd be the 12' Munoz.
But this is the SUP forum and you're talking SUPs, so I'll shut up now.

Can you SUP your 12' Munoz?
How wide is it?

About the time I determined 120l was my shortboard sweet spot I still had a 11x31 190l longboard. The PSH all arounder was for it's size very loose when surfed from the tail as well as an unreal glider.

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damned67 said..

subber said..

Can you SUP your 12' Munoz?
How wide is it?

Can I SUP it? Hells to the no.
But I've read in numerous places, that back in the beginning of SUP, before there were many (any?) SUP-specific boards being built, the 11' and 12' Munoz's were the go-to boards.
It's 26 1/4" wide, and 135 L.

Yeah...lol....I'd love to try one - try to SUP surf it.

I did try SUPping on an Infinity Rad Noserider by Surftech 10' by 23.5" - big laydown noserider.
96 liters - that was my highest volume laydown board.
But....all I could do in surf conditions was knee paddle it (and even that was difficult for me)
and then standup on the wave. Still, kind of fun. But only did it once.
I weighed about 200 pounds at the time.
Now I'm at 185 so that could make a difference but 5 years older.

But, maybe 2.75" more width along with 2' more in length & that people used to use the 12' Munoz for SUpping,
maybe I could.

My narrowest SUP is a Takayama Ali'i II Surftech 11' x 28.5" and 162 liters.
I've got no problems with it in surf conditions.
It has a deep V in the tail - if anyone doesn't know, you just let it plop a bit to one side
(fighting to keep the board perfectly level will wear you out; at least me) - on the wave it is great.

I could probably flat water paddle the 12' Munoz..... if it was really flat. But that's more about my lack of ability, as opposed to the board!

And JAW - how good is the 11' Prince! Mine's 'only' the modern Surftech, but love it (yes, I seem to have a lot of Surftechs, but I do have some customs, I promise). So different as a glider to the Munoz, but I'm preaching to the choir.

I have always been intrigued by the idea of having a board for traveling that one could both sup and surf prone. My question for those of you who have standup paddled large prone longboards is: if you could only have one board to do both on would you pick an XL prone board that was more of a pain to paddle, or a 9'x26" longboard sup that was easier to sup, but maybe more difficult to prone surf due to the width?

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Surlygringo said..
I have always been intrigued by the idea of having a board for traveling that one could both sup and surf prone. My question for those of you who have standup paddled large prone longboards is: if you could only have one board to do both on would you pick an XL prone board that was more of a pain to paddle, or a 9'x26" longboard sup that was easier to sup, but maybe more difficult to prone surf due to the width?

Several times I've decided to try some prone surfing on my long board SUPs.
Jimmy Lewis Black & Blue Noserider 10'1"x31"x4.25," 164 liters, 24 lbs
Pearson Laird Surftech Longboard 10'6"x23"x29.75"x18"x4.375," 154 liters, 24 lbs
Takayama Ali'i II Surftech 11'x21.375"x28.5"x17.25"x 4.25," 162 liters, 26 lbs

Yeah...the 31" B&B is a bit wide but still doable (I'm 5'9" tall).
So, you might want to try flat paddling any of your narrower SUPs & see if it works for you.

One thing I note is that I can paddle these SUPs with my hands quite a bit faster than when standing up with the paddle.
So, you can get into the waves earlier but you do use different muscles so will likely tire more quickly until you build them up
(at least for me).

Other issues I had with the SUP width & prone surfing - getting your legs around the board
& turning the board around to catch the wave
& ha, if it is very windy, and you put the nose up in the air to turn it, the wind can grab the SUP's big surface area
& well, I'd not prone surfed in a long time. With SUP you can easily move your body forward or back to catch the wave
as you are standing up but laying down, seems more difficult and I pearled quite a bit - probably improve
with practice.
The boards I have are quite hard and it does hurt my ribs if I laydown paddle a lot.

Geeze, I have so much fun SUP surfing....I usually bail on proning it.
I will say, part of the issue is my "pop up" which is the reason I started SUP Surfing.

Gringo - I don't have the experience re: SUP, but if I was looking for a board to do both, I'd look at a SUP that you can prone. For one reason, and one reason only - unless you've got damn long arms, a wide prone board is a pain to carry. My 12' Munoz, at 26" wide, needs to be carried on my head a la Endless Summer. I'd be comfortable to assume that the seemingly standard 23" width of most prone longboards, is less about the performance aspects of the width and more about ease of getting it under the arm!
I'm a big guy with broad shoulders - I have no problem (prone) paddling my 26" wide Munoz.

And I'm sure Colas would back me on this - but the 'big' feeling is going to have much more to do with the shape/rocker etc than general dimensions.... and fins. And again, prone being different to SUP, but I tend to prefer all my 'gliders' with less 'fin' than you'd typically see on prone longboards. The seemingly 'rule of thumb' is 1" of fin for 1' of board - but that doesn't work for me. I run my 12' with a 7.5" centre fin and side bites (similar with 11' Munoz and 11' Tak Prince). My 9'3" Munoz (yes, not a glider, but a big board at 93L for a 9'3") has a 6.5" centre and side bites. My 10'6" runs a single 9". And I acknowledge that the 1" of fin for 1' of board does arguably fit what I generally find with fins, when taking into account the sides... so I'm just waffling on now.

Thanks to everyone for the good advice. I confess I hadn't really thought about the extra stress when standing and although I can get a 26" wide board under my arm I would prefer a handle at that width. I will try smaller fins as well although I was just running a large thruster set so that may not make much difference. If after a little more playing around I decide it is a worthwhile experiment I will go with a 26" wide sup.

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Surlygringo said..
I will try smaller fins as well

This is very important for the back fin(s), not so much for the front fins.

Actually a twin fins + small trailer works quite well, providing hold but enough looseness to compensate for the bulk of these bigger boards.
Or just L fronts and M rear(s), if you are using Quobba fins (as you should :-)

I'll add my vote to use a sup. As a lightweight all my sups are in 26 range. They all surf fine prone, but I only occasionally take a wave that way when I'm sitting and don't have time to jump and turn around I might go prone if the perfect wave comes and I can't resist. My 9x26 infinity longboard works especially well for this so I think your on the right track. For dedicated prone paddling a deck pad might be kind of rough on the chest/wetsuit, and it's a lot harder to punch thru whitewater or turtle due to volume.

It's kind of interesting to take off prone once in a while to see you might be catching wave too early on sup paddle where it can be better to make a steeper drop at times.