Wooww a classic exposee... very one sided but very factual. B4 this I had a some residual sympathy for Hird based on my bias and a desire for it all to disappear ... That show is well worth watching and leaves the ball in the AFL's court on who should be culpable..
I hate the back wash on the game - but to ignore it creates shallow thinking -
The person with their hand on the wheel at Essendon should go... asking for court costs for deciding to withhold a player's medical records via the courts and then being shamed into backing down by a TV show... no ethics no clear concise thought just constant CYA mentality.
Frustrated that the level of stupidity can so easily negate years of training, years of experience, intelligence, and decency...
baaa
AP 
definitely should have all the coaches and management banned for life based on that story
the ceo always seemed like a litiguous prick
the players could really be seen as employees and doing what their bosses told them to do.
most of the players would have laid their trust with the coaches, doctors and sports scientists.
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definitely should have all the coaches and management banned for life based on that story
the ceo always seemed like a litiguous prick
the players could really be seen as employees and doing what their bosses told them to do.
most of the players would have laid their trust with the coaches, doctors and sports scientists.
Agree, but it goes to show the IQ of sports people is in the low spectrum
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definitely should have all the coaches and management banned for life based on that story
the ceo always seemed like a litiguous prick
the players could really be seen as employees and doing what their bosses told them to do.
most of the players would have laid their trust with the coaches, doctors and sports scientists.
Did the players have to take them or was it optional?
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One player didnt cause he didnt like needles (Zaca)
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So if it wasn't compulsory I think the players are in the wrong as well.
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Poida said..
definitely should have all the coaches and management banned for life based on that story
the ceo always seemed like a litiguous prick
the players could really be seen as employees and doing what their bosses told them to do.
most of the players would have laid their trust with the coaches, doctors and sports scientists.
Did the players have to take them or was it optional?
optional but probably depended if they wanted to play in the team or not
According to the program on ABC, for those who took the time to watch it. The Essendon players in the program were "NEVER" told that any of the supplements being administered were banned, and in fact there was some effort to hide it all under false headings.
That's why the main man was searching for answers. He, plus others, was called into a meeting hours before the story broke on media, and advised that some of them "may" have been administered drugs from the injection program, that were for another patient " by mistake" 
This in the end, turned out to be a load of rubbish, according to 4 corners, as the information given to the players by the club, at that meeting was just a smoke screen.
If ever there was any sympathy for Essendon, it was quickly washed away when the ABC highlighted that the club was going the player in the courts for cost in relation to the requests for his medical records. How low and disgusting was that move. 
Since backed off, and rescinded its stance when it realised the ABC was airing its program.
Neither the AFL nor the Essendon club would respond to any request from the ABC to participate in the program. That just nailed it for me. Something to hide one would think.
My impression from the ABC program (rightly or wrongly) was that the AFL and Essendon top management group were, when it started to unravel, using every trick known to sporting body's, to create a massive smoke screen to save their crooked Russel Coyest.
The playing group that were within the program, were taking council from senior sports medicine people, and believing what they were being verbally fed in regards to what supplements each person was being administered, was all above board and legal.
Some of these players, not even over 21 years of age at the time, had placed their and trust in the club to look after their wellbeing.
I have no confidence that the AFL primarily, nor some of the clubs will ever play with a straight bat with its team list on this issue.
Feel for the players, as these are the result of the issue, not the cause. The cause will never come out one would think .
YeSelect to expand quoteDARTH said..worrier said..
One player didnt cause he didnt like needles (Zaca)
W
So if it wasn't compulsory I think the players are in the wrong as well.
Yep and that was exactly the way the wada and asada figured
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YeDARTH said..worrier said..
One player didnt cause he didnt like needles (Zaca)
W
So if it wasn't compulsory I think the players are in the wrong as well.
Yep and that was exactly the way the wada and asada figured
By by Brownlow medal then?
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YeDARTH said..worrier said..
One player didnt cause he didnt like needles (Zaca)
W
So if it wasn't compulsory I think the players are in the wrong as well.
Yep and that was exactly the way the wada and asada figured
By by Brownlow medal then?
They, being the committee he has to front, will struggle to get that one over the line. What product that was banned did he take? Right now, if they let this data into the light of day, all hell will break loose. They have no hard evidence that they can put up. If they do, the flood gates will open.
So, unless they can come up with a "positive" test, he has every right to keep the medal. No matter how much squawking goes on.
I am not a fan of him anyway. He was media menzeled all the way through that season. 
This is another reason that the players court challenge will probably succeed, there isn't any hard evidence. But by then, it will all be too late, and the scape goats will have done the 12 month ban. 
In the mean time, the real perpetrators will have tied the system in such a knot, we wont be able to see the woodwork from the trees.
I'm still no clearer as to what they supposedly took... And if there were any Positive tests...
Absolutely no doubt there was some sort of cover up but what was it they took
i think all the documents relating to the supplements taken have been shredded
The club cant (or dont want to for legal reason) advise the players what they were given. This was part of the ABC Four Corners story.
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