Just watching the replay of the Melbourne GP and I'm feeling a little sick looking at these sh!t halos around the cockpit.
Driver safety is paramount but seriously, just enclose the lot if you're going to do that.
It's called a thong, or if they get a Grand Prix in NZ a flip flop.
you can't see the driver grinning inside the helmet so you might as well enclose them. And the wheels while you're at it. Safer and better aerodynamics. Le Mans racers look so much better.
And a red one for Richard
Anybody ever see an open wheel race car with an enclosed cockpit in the upper echelons of racing ? I doubt it.
That would be a completely different class of racecars, not GP, not F1.
Indy cars (very similar) have yet to incorporate the halo, none for '18, and no talk of it,,,,,,,,,, yet. But they have a higher air intake pod behind the driver, which helps for roll over protection, but doesn't really add anything for protecting the driver from being hit by car parts, which is being touted as the main reason for the halos.
But I agree it is a very different look, but it doesn't make me "sick".
Last year's Indy race had a very scary accident where a halo could have been a welcomed addition, the driver was very lucky that his head didn't hit the top of the wall.
My thoughts are that is just the first stage, next will be a windscreen so they can get away without visors on there helmets.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
My thoughts are that is just the first stage, next will be a windscreen so they can get away without visors on there helmets.
Been there, done that, why would anyone want the driver's faces to burn off. Today's visors have some fire resistance to them, as well as fire resistant collars that attach to the bottom of the helmets protecting the neck.
I don't see the problem. How does that make you feel sick?
Maybe watch the replays of drivers being killed? That makes me feel sick.
But every injury can't be prevented against while racing.
Jules Bianchi I believe was found to be a combination of him going too fast, and the tractor not resulting in a safety car. Sure, the halo may have saved him, but so could have other things.
Prior to that was about 20 years with no fatalities. The last being Senna.
Have been a big fan of F1 all my life and I'm no fan of this halo, the drivers are in open wheel cars and you either enclose them or leave them open. Its like everything in society today of trying to protect everyone from harms way even if it means destroying the fun you are having. Sure you can say it may save lives but what happens if a driver becomes trapped by it in an overturned car on fire, does that not cancel out the issue of frontal collision that's its trying to reduce. Its about time we as a society say yes there are risks and those who want to take the risk in a professional sport may face some danger. Don't confuse road safety with professional racing as these guys are in an extreme risk environment and do we want to keep removing all the dangers until we end up with something like V8 supercars. I guess F1 with its new owners is trying to sanitize the sport to attract the new younger generation who have an aversion to risk and want rules to protect them from all the bad things in life.
Funny how Nikki Lauder dislikes them as well.
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Anybody ever see an open wheel race car with an enclosed cockpit in the upper echelons of racing ? I doubt it.
That would be a completely different class of racecars, not GP, not F1.
Indy cars (very similar) have yet to incorporate the halo, none for '18, and no talk of it,,,,,,,,,, yet. But they have a higher air intake pod behind the driver, which helps for roll over protection, but doesn't really add anything for protecting the driver from being hit by car parts, which is being touted as the main reason for the halos.
But I agree it is a very different look, but it doesn't make me "sick".
Last year's Indy race had a very scary accident where a halo could have been a welcomed addition, the driver was very lucky that his head didn't hit the top of the wall.
Lucky, and a good part of the problem is this open wheeler nonsense. The car of interest gets flipped when its front wheel lines up with the wayward car's rear wheel. Body work would most likely prevent this.
www.quora.com/Whats-the-concept-behind-Open-Wheel-Racing-Does-it-really-increase-performance
"If the F1 rules actually allowed closed-wheel / closed-cockpit designs, competitors would switch immediately, for better aerodynamics and for driver safety. But the cars are iconic just as they are, and such a dramatic aesthetic change would surely annoy just as many fans as it would please, so the F1 organizers continue with the open-wheel, open-cockpit tradition."
Can't believe how upset people get over making the drivers safer. That Scott Dixon crash is gut wrenching, and it wouldn't take much for his neck or chest to get impaled there.
I'm guessing all those up in arms are your classic armchair experts on all sports that they have never played
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
My thoughts are that is just the first stage, next will be a windscreen so they can get away without visors on there helmets.
They looked at several options including military aircraft style enclosed canopies but decided on the halo.
Select to expand quoteChris_M said..
Can't believe how upset people get over making the drivers safer.
So, tradition aside, what do you see as the advantages of playing sport in open wheelers? Would spectators lose interest if it was safer?
Select to expand quoteIan K said..
It's called a thong, or if they get a Grand Prix in NZ a flip flop.
And a red one for Richard
Jandal.
Indycar are also heading down the same path of protecting the drivers head, but using a windshield similar to what Red Bull developed as an alternative to the halo
www.indycar.com/News/2018/02/02-09-Windscreen-test-Phoenix
Don't know how they could apply any of this to the Bikes
Select to expand quoteChris_M said..
Can't believe how upset people get over making the drivers safer. That Scott Dixon crash is gut wrenching, and it wouldn't take much for his neck or chest to get impaled there.
That's what killed Senna, broken wheel strut (from memory) came in from side.
Not sure halo would've prevented that either...
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Camrys are very safe. Why don't they drive Camrys? Or maybe even Aurions.
Even Camry owners look down on Aurion owners...
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Select to expand quoteHardcarve1 said..
Have been a big fan of F1 all my life and I'm no fan of this halo, the drivers are in open wheel cars and you either enclose them or leave them open. Its like everything in society today of trying to protect everyone from harms way even if it means destroying the fun you are having...
I think the final decision is up to the drivers, not the audience.
The final decision was probably left up to the marketing department because I'm assuming an enclosed canopy would be safer and more aerodynamic.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..Hardcarve1 said..
Have been a big fan of F1 all my life and I'm no fan of this halo, the drivers are in open wheel cars and you either enclose them or leave them open. Its like everything in society today of trying to protect everyone from harms way even if it means destroying the fun you are having...
I think the final decision is up to the drivers, not the audience.
But we the fans pay their bills. I now take a keen interest in Formula E and can start seeing that series having more entertainment and I don't see them looking at halos thank god
This formula E seems to have a halo. And covered wheels to keep them on the ground following a minor collision.
FE's are too quiet, but politically correct, I can't really see much of a growth in their popularity, but I could be wrong, time will tell. I've seen a couple of their races on TV and was less than impressed.
It's different that's for sure, are the drivers still swapping to a second car mid-race?
Select to expand quoterod_bunny said..SailMark said..
Camrys are very safe. Why don't they drive Camrys? Or maybe even Aurions.
Even Camry owners look down on Aurion owners...
So rod_bunny, I have done the research. Is it the V6 in the Aurion that the Camry drivers detest? What would Alonso have to moan about if he had a 2.5L Camry? Maybe one with "party mode".
Much, much bigger problem with F1 than that minor issue with the halo, no more grid girls!!!!!!!!!
www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/f1-ferrari-sebastian-vettel-grid-17125547
All irrelevant. Porsche's hotted up Le Mans hybrid has broken Lewis Hamilton's F1 lap record at Spa. No such thing as second fastest in motor sport. And it's better looking to boot. Form follows function with dangerous bit of rotating machinery safely guarded.
www.drive.com.au/motor-news/porsche-builds-f1-beater-117863.html?ffref=smh&trackLink=SMH0
the celebrity race is where its at anyway. alol the same car. heaps of crashes and bingles. hot celebrities.
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