With the whole COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2 pandemic happening, does anyone else than me think that it's reckless to go to Bali for a holiday right now?
So many people I know of at work and in social circles are going to Bali this week, next week or have just come back.
On top of that, they are returning straight to work without self-quarantining, even though it's been shown that the virus can be passed on by people who don't have symptoms. For up to 27 days.
Is this just not reckless?
For one thing, going to Bali right now is unnecessarily exposing yourself to a virus that may or may not kill you, CFR (Confirmed Fatality Rate) to be confirmed.
For another, you are potentially exposing the people around you at work when you get back. Socially you can avoid people who've come back from overseas recently, but most of us still need to keep our jobs to survive, so cannot not go to work where the reckless people are potentially spreading the virus.
Exposing yourself to the risk of picking up a potentially deadly virus is one thing and your choice, but the then taking the choice away from other people by going straight back to work, who can then pass it on to their families, is reckless in my book.
It's selfish and reckless and the thing is, most of the people I know who are going to Bali or overseas (for a holiday), don't understand the gravity of the situation, they have no concept of it at all.
Regardless of your feelings for Bali normally, you either like the place or not, what do you think?
Select to expand quotebazz61 said..
go ,your only delaying the inevitable .
Your what?
Select to expand quotebazz61 said..
go ,your only delaying the inevitable .
I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else.
Absolutely 
Plus all the people that have been to: UK, Italy, Germany, Iran, France, Korea....can't be bothered typing in the rest of the countries but the latest stats say it is present in 43 of them.
Only safe place seems to be Antarctica.
P.S your - you're or you are
As far as I know virus's spread better when air is cold and dry. Hot and humid weather tends to wash them out of the air and off surfaces. Are there any Corona Virus hot spots around the tropics at present?
Bali may be safer than here in 3 months time! Time will tell.
long as your dick stays in your pants you'll be OK.....
oh your thinking about parvo virus
I'm not asking the question cause I'm thinking of going.
I'm just wondering how many people see how reckless it is.
and kb53 - that is a possibility, but remains to be seen. It's definitely not a fail safe and this virus being as it is, anything can still happen.
If I was booked to go, I would put it off or just forfeit the airfares if they couldn't be delayed.
I would be more worried about what you would catch on the plane/in the airport and the possibility that borders could be closed while you were away.
if you can survive the mushrooms and a high speed late night scooter ride through kuta, nothing will kil you.
Otherwise someone told me try gargling with diluted hand sanitiser.
Select to expand quotePoida said..
if you can survive the mushrooms and a high speed late night scooter ride through kuta, nothing will kil you.
Otherwise someone told me try gargling with diluted hand sanitiser.
And wash your eyes with it too eh?
Reckless ... !!!! without a doubt .... and to a country where they ridicule hand washing ..... good luck ... wonder how a bali hospital would be with these cases ... ventilator machines etc .... or getting quarantined off your return flight ...
This is NOT just a flu .... R0 way higher , death rate way higher , 20% cases severe enough to need hospitalisation (80% mild) ... china have under-reported cases / deaths by maybe a factor of 50 ... Heard this morning how many chinese (some ex wuhan) re-routing flights via places like thailand , so they can land in other countries that have china-flight bans .... nice !
OR , maybe its better to catch it quick and get into hospitals (oz) with that are still functional with spare ventilating machines ???? Still - there's also theories out there of re-invection by covid (ie not building up antibodies to avoid it twice) - 13 such documentated cases in china ... bet theres many more ...
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I'm not asking the question cause I'm thinking of going.
I'm just wondering how many people see how reckless it is.
and kb53 - that is a possibility, but remains to be seen. It's definitely not a fail safe and this virus being as it is, anything can still happen.
You're missing the point champ. Why pinpoint Bali as the only travel destination to be considered reckless to visit outside of Australia??
Select to expand quoteshi thouse said..kiterboy said..
I'm not asking the question cause I'm thinking of going.
I'm just wondering how many people see how reckless it is.
and kb53 - that is a possibility, but remains to be seen. It's definitely not a fail safe and this virus being as it is, anything can still happen.
You're missing the point champ. Why pinpoint Bali as the only travel destination to be considered reckless to visit outside of Australia??
Sorry, champ. I pretty much thought all other overseas locations were a given. Didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you.
Bali was the one that seems the most popular at the moment, you know cause they don't have any 'confirmed' cases and all the ostriches are going there at the moment.
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Reckless ... !!!! without a doubt .... and to a country where they ridicule hand washing ..... good luck ... wonder how a bali hospital would be with these cases ... ventilator machines etc .... or getting quarantined off your return flight ...
This is NOT just a flu .... R0 way higher , death rate way higher , 20% cases severe enough to need hospitalisation (80% mild) ... china have under-reported cases / deaths by maybe a factor of 50 ... Heard this morning how many chinese (some ex wuhan) re-routing flights via places like thailand , so they can land in other countries that have china-flight bans .... nice !
OR , maybe its better to catch it quick and get into hospitals (oz) with that are still functional with spare ventilating machines ???? Still - there's also theories out there of re-invection by covid (ie not building up antibodies to avoid it twice) - 13 such documentated cases in china ... bet theres many more ...
Exactly.
Some medical staff in Bali have come out saying they'd royally screwed if they got an influx of infections as they wouldn't be able to cope.
Flight bans...Aussie universities are helping overseas students (Chinese) get around the flight bans by rerouting through another country.
There's a Japanese case of a patient previously cleared of the virus, now re-infected...this happenign in China made them revoke the relaxed quarantines they had for about a day.
Scomo has come out now telling us all to prepare for the coming pandemic.
The joke's on him, it's already here.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..shi thouse said..kiterboy said..
I'm not asking the question cause I'm thinking of going.
I'm just wondering how many people see how reckless it is.
and kb53 - that is a possibility, but remains to be seen. It's definitely not a fail safe and this virus being as it is, anything can still happen.
You're missing the point champ. Why pinpoint Bali as the only travel destination to be considered reckless to visit outside of Australia??
Sorry, champ. I pretty much thought all other overseas locations were a given. Didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you.
Bali was the one that seems the most popular at the moment, you know cause they don't have any 'confirmed' cases and all the ostriches are going there at the moment.
Yeah nah....it wasn't "spelt out" in that you specifically refer to the "recklessness" of anyone who travels to Bali. So why not extend your argument to anyone who travels anywhere overseas at the moment is being "reckless".
The tragedy here is that any airport in the world will potentially have these "reckless" Bali travellers on board and will hence potentially expose themselves to this risk. Thailand and Singapore has an ever increasing number of "confirmed" cases yet Aussies are still "recklessly" traveling there.
Maybe anyone who wants to enter Australia must spend 2 weeks at Christmas Island or Darwin prior to being released back into the community.
This is like watching a season of Shark Week before going scuba diving.
I plan to go in April and again in May. The travel advice has remained the same and Indonesia have banned flights to and from mainland China or anyone having passed through China in the previous 14 days too.
Im just going to be a little more vigilant than I might've otherwise been.
No corona here
Not even any bintang
Or people
Butt load of chickens and water buffalo though
Select to expand quoteshi thouse said..kiterboy said..shi thouse said..kiterboy said..
I'm not asking the question cause I'm thinking of going.
I'm just wondering how many people see how reckless it is.
and kb53 - that is a possibility, but remains to be seen. It's definitely not a fail safe and this virus being as it is, anything can still happen.
You're missing the point champ. Why pinpoint Bali as the only travel destination to be considered reckless to visit outside of Australia??
Sorry, champ. I pretty much thought all other overseas locations were a given. Didn't think I'd have to spell it out for you.
Bali was the one that seems the most popular at the moment, you know cause they don't have any 'confirmed' cases and all the ostriches are going there at the moment.
Yeah nah....it wasn't "spelt out" in that you specifically refer to the "recklessness" of anyone who travels to Bali. So why not extend your argument to anyone who travels anywhere overseas at the moment is being "reckless".
The tragedy here is that any airport in the world will potentially have these "reckless" Bali travellers on board and will hence potentially expose themselves to this risk. Thailand and Singapore has an ever increasing number of "confirmed" cases yet Aussies are still "recklessly" traveling there.
Maybe anyone who wants to enter Australia must spend 2 weeks at Christmas Island or Darwin prior to being released back into the community.
You're right, it wasn't spelled out in my original post, as I said, I didn't think I had to.
That's why I had to spell it out to you in my previous post to this one.
We are in agreement, all overseas, especially holiday, travel is reckless at the moment.
Bali is the location I chose for this post as it is still very popular with the ostriches for the reasons I gave previous. Spelled out enough for you now, champ?
Before you get all high and mighty, Joe, get your facts correct. Two weeks is too short a quarantine period for a virus that can be passed on for almost a month before the infected person shows symptoms.
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No corona here
Not even any bintang
Or people
Butt load of chickens and water buffalo though
Yeah, whatever, you're not even there.
Who's getting all high and mighty here mate? I'll give you a hint, it's not me.
You asked an opinion based question and I gave you mine. No, I do not think it is reckless to travel overseas at the moment and therefor I will do so. It is still 7 weeks away before I go and anything can happen in that time and I will reevaluate the situation then. But for now, and especially if we are all doomed like some of you think we are I will continue to live my life and not hide away.
But you need to get off the media juice mate. Talk about mass hysteria.
No, we are not "in agreement". The whole underlying tone of your initial post was to discredit a popular tourist destination that to this date has "no reported" coronavirus cases. The whole "holidaying" aspect of any travel has inherent risks and these have their respective health warnings attached to them. The undertones of your initial post again aimed squarely at people you believe to be "ignorant" for taking these chances.
Well champ, I am not "in agreement" because I would say that many travellers are taking calculated risks based on advice provided by government professionals who make these calls and are a lot closer to many of the facts than we are.
Again, and maybe I need to read between the lines (as you haven't spelt it out) but you feel travel should be purely limited to business and not holiday-ers.
It is just a matter of time before things get serious however, air travel is not the only limiting factor here. Shutting the economy down by preventing any carrier/host possibilities will have major ramifications and this extends well beyond the average Bali holidayer.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..theDoctor said..
No corona here
Not even any bintang
Or people
Butt load of chickens and water buffalo though
Yeah, whatever, you're not even there.Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Yeah, whatever, you're not even there.
That's the existential conclusion i came to after Mondays mushie omlet
Im supposed to be taking my gf over to bali for her first time end of March, think it will be better or worse then?
man we've had this holiday planned for like 6 months!
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Im supposed to be taking my gf over to bali for her first time end of March, think it will be better or worse then?
man we've had this holiday planned for like 6 months!
planning for 6 months, might be remembering for a lot longer for all the wrong reasons. Who knows, who cares.
" based on advice provided by government professionals " - really .... you trust their advice ? .....
WHO imo has lost alot of credibility.... and they are advising goverments ... They do an amazing job of praising china ..
Like the way 'goverment professionals ' countries choose to shut borders etc AFTER they already HAVE the pandemic ... good move ! ... Horse has already bolted ...
If anyone out there thinks Indo has no current cases - thats mindblowing ... just because they have no test kits and aren't testing for it , and declaring it .... doesnt mean they dont have it - .... Their 'goverment officials' are just protecting their tourism $$$... Money over health ... usual business .
